Low prices are killing this month!ppl bending over like crazy!
Maybe vans should log.
And raise their rates accordingly.
And raise their rates accordingly.
I am NO fan of govt regulation but sadly I think it would help the van market if vans were better monitored for insurance and compliance.
So, a truck driver's very first day behind the wheel of a CMV would require him to log the previous 7 days that he was working at the Home Depot?
It is true that once you get behind the wheel of a CMV, like when a van gets placarded, that you are instantly a CMV driver and must comply with all of the HOS regulations. In that respect, any work performed for compensation in the previous 7 days should be logged as "on duty" (not "on duty driving" unless you were driving a CMV) and counted against your available hours for the week. If you feel more comfortable doing so, then by all means do so.
I agree with you John.
It cracks me up that so many complain about regulations and think the government should regulate to solve detention or rate issues.
It cracks me up that so many complain about regulations and think the government should regulate to solve detention or rate issues.
How does the ELD mandate affect vans ?
So since you guys are talking HAZMAT, do you have to have a sleeper that is completely sealed from the cargo area to haul HAZMAT? Is it the same with tanker, like those big plastic tanks in the cages?
Do you have to put clothes on to fry bacon ?
Regardless of the answer it's a good idea.
Uhhh...no? I think it would be a good idea, but there are no laws regulating how one fries their bacon.
I reread section 395 and found no mention of Home Depot, Lowes or Menards. I did see some references to home terminal though. Maybe that's what got you started on the Home Depot thing, deviating from cargo vans, HazMat and logging.
Earlier in this thread you stated: "If you haven't operated a CMV in the last 7 days, you are technically and legally OOS for those 7 days, and that's precisely how they should be logged when you begin logging in a CMV again."
I pointed out that this isn't true if you had been driving a cargo van for compensation. I even supplied a link: Regulations Section
It is not a matter if I or anyone else feels comfortable doing so. It's in the regulations! Thank you anyway for the permission to do so.
With all of your hauling of HazMat for Con-Way why didn't you use the HOS Certificate instead of logging between HazMat loads? Logging when it wasn't necessary reduced your driving time and complicated your working time filling out logs. Check out paragraph J. Regulations Section
Well if and when the ELD mandate takes effect a van hauling placardable hazmat that has to log would have to log electronically from what I can see.
Vey inconvenient for some, I'd presume.
If it is an inhalation hazard, yes. The cargo area must be more than completely sealed. The cargo area must be a separate unit, like a box and a cab. A van with a bulkhead, no matter how well sealed doesn't cut it.
Because that's how Safety told me to do it. If I hadn't had a HAZMAT load within the past 7 days they had me fill out a HOS Certificate. Otherwise, they just had me log the HAZMAT load and continue to log for the next 7 days.
westmicher
Veteran Expediter
I was told by a MSP Post Commander that it should be noted on the log as No Logs Required instead of OOS. Technically a driver wasn't Out Of Service, but simply No Logs Required, regardless of service status. The term No Logs Required is completely accurate. Otherwise I agree.
I was told the exact same thing by a MSP officer (at a Subway in Grand Rapids). He said OOS technically only applies to CMVs and that No Logs Required would be most accurate, even preferable to Off Duty.