Low prices are killing this month!ppl bending over like crazy!

brokcanadian

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Just wondering - guess I work for an "old fashioned" company because I know nothing about these bidding things...I only sat for 3 days this year when available, letting them pick loads for me...technically my contract doesn't forbid me from finding my own freight...When did this change happen? I was on a dedicated run from 2006 to end of 2015...is this bidding thing voluntary or are dispatchers on the way out? Much more peaceful to just drive...
 

tknight

Veteran Expediter
Every company is different, maybe you found a good one if your getting loads all the time, and the money is good.
If their getting you loads then you have it made unless your making .50 a loaded mile
 
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brokcanadian

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Guess I "found" a good one...10 years this year, 1st and only company I've ever tried

Been so long i'd forgotten, paid a 2000 dollar fee for the guaranteed job when I got my alumnibunk E350 in 2006 the "guarantee" sounded good :facepalm:...with down payment, lease payments, and buyout I ended up paying 32000 and it came with over 400,000 miles, i thought it was in kms...man was I ever green :D
 
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RoadSaint

Expert Expediter
When did this change happen? I was on a dedicated run from 2006 to end of 2015...is this bidding thing voluntary or are dispatchers on the way out? Much more peaceful to just drive...

It's not a change that happened in the industry, it's just about who is responding in this thread. The people you see talking about bids are likely either:

#1: Running under their own authority, and are both the driver and the dispatcher for their own company.
-or-
#2: Working with an extremely rare small carrier that allows the driver to help bid their own loads.

I did the latter for 2 companies that have asked to remain unidentified, one of which I helped get their authority set up. ((EDIT: Just wanted to note that the ability to bid my own loads was my sole requirement that I was searching for when I found those companies. I didn't just "happen" to fall into that situation. It's not something carriers offer. It's something you have to angle for.)) So basically, most people talking about bidding are owners, or very close with the owners of the carriers, I suspect.

Most carriers won't allow drivers to bid loads for many reasons, but chiefly because they don't want the drivers to know exactly how much they're being paid on the loads, in my opinion. That reason might not be primary for ALL carriers. I'm not trying to make them all look bad or throw anyone under the bus. The truth of the matter is, it takes more money to run a business than a lot of people think, and if people saw what they made, most people would have a negative kneejerk reaction that simply isn't worth the hassle for a larger company that has to keep up morale on a macro scale.

That said, the type of dishonesty required to maintain that facade, and avoid said hassle is distasteful to me, and so I will sadly be unlikely to get rich running my own carrier any time soon. But I -might- be able to make a comfortable living doing it. Time will tell. ;)
 
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OntarioVanMan

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It's not a change that happened in the industry, it's just about who is responding in this thread. The people you see talking about bids are likely either:

#1: Running under their own authority, and are both the driver and the dispatcher for their own company.
-or-
#2: Working with an extremely rare small carrier that allows the driver to help bid their own loads.

I did the latter for 2 companies that have asked to remain unidentified, one of which I helped get their authority set up. So basically, most people talking about bidding are owners, or very close with the owners of the carriers, I suspect.

Most carriers won't allow drivers to bid loads for many reasons, but chiefly because they don't want the drivers to know exactly how much they're being paid on the loads, in my opinion. That reason might not be primary for ALL carriers. I'm not trying to make them all look bad or throw anyone under the bus. The truth of the matter is, it takes more money to run a business than a lot of people think, and if people saw what they made, most people would have a negative kneejerk reaction that simply isn't worth the hassle for a larger company that has to keep up morale on a macro scale.

That said, the type of dishonesty required to maintain that facade, and avoid said hassle is distasteful to me, and so I will sadly be unlikely to get rich running my own carrier any time soon. But I -might- be able to make a comfortable living doing it. Time will tell. ;)
I contract with a small carrier...and NOT allowed to bid on the loads....BUT we have great communication between us....they know my monetary figure and my running restrictions and we again communicate.....
I also wait for my invoices to be paid so i'am not paying for the luxury of getting my money early. We are supposed to be independent contractors are we not? I don't need to donate at least 10-15% of my load money to loan shark(carrier) I can wait..that's not a pit fall its a perk IMO
 

RoadSaint

Expert Expediter
I contract with a small carrier...and NOT allowed to bid on the loads....BUT we have great communication between us....they know my lowball figure and my running restrictions and we again communicate.....
I also wait for my invoices to be paid so i'am not paying for the luxury of getting my money early. We are supposed to be independent contractors are we not? I don't need to donate at least 10-15% of my load money to loan shark(carrier) I can wait..that's not a pit fall its a perk IMO

That's awesome that you've found a good one. I've heard nothing but good things about crossroads express. They were actually my first choice for carriers when I initially got into this business, but they weren't bringing any cargo vans on at the time.

As for the factoring fees, there are factoring companies that will give you your money weekly for 2-5%. I would absolutely agree with you at 10-15%, but for 4% I'll take my money 30-90 days earlier please. ;)

There is a lot I can do with that money in that amount of time to make up the 4% lost on the front end.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
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That's awesome that you've found a good one. I've heard nothing but good things about crossroads express. They were actually my first choice for carriers when I initially got into this business, but they weren't bringing any cargo vans on at the time.

As for the factoring fees, there are factoring companies that will give you your money weekly for 2-5%. I would absolutely agree with you at 10-15%, but for 4% I'll take my money 30-90 days earlier please. ;)

There is a lot I can do with that money in that amount of time to make up the 4% lost on the front end.
and that's what works for you..:)..there are quite a few business models that can be applied...not just the old suit way of doing things....that is what makes this business challenging and unique...

ya see and I supply my own "approved" insurance...so when I pay it off in full I get the discount..:p
 
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Sev

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Hey all,

I just got setup on the forum after a couple of months of creeping without an account haha. My father passed away in December and I inherited his company. Still learning the basics of everything but I have been really struggling the past month.

January and early February were not even that bad, but lately everything has seemed to have just tanked.
 
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davekc

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The whole expedite business model would change if there was to be any transparency. All kinds of game playing going on.
 
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RoadSaint

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Hey all,

I just got setup on the forum after a couple of months of creeping without an account haha. My father passed away in December and I inherited his company.

Welcome to EO. I'm sorry to hear about your father.
 

Sev

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Owner/Operator
Thank you. The company is JGS Trucking and we are based in Chicago.

My dad was 49 years old, very healthy. But he had an undiscovered blood clot and it dislodged when he was at a delivery near Urbana, IL.

I encourage all drivers to be aware of blood clots. Sitting for so many hours increases your risk and the early symptoms are often ignored
 
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davekc

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Completely agreed. But the lack of transparency benefits the brokerages in my opinion. A lot of money being passed under the table from what I have heard.


Without a doubt. Or, carriers that also broker freight. If you look at public companies and look at their reported revenue and profit, there is where you find the answer. When they are making millions, that doesn't happen just by accident.
 
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Moot

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I'm running a cargo van with no external decals for DOT or MC #'s, no ifta, under 10k GVW, and I've been stopped for various things several times now. I've shown them my BOLs, license, and insurance information, and I've been let go without a citation every time.;)
I'm also running a cargo van and have been doing it for a while. My vans have always had the carrier's name, logo, DOT/MC numbers etc. I have been pulled over twice. Once in Wisconsin because I had the audacity to display flammable placards while carrying 2500 pounds of flammable material in a cargo van. This resulted in an escort to a nearby weigh station. The second time was on a turnpike for having only one headlight. The guy that pulled me over had decals on his doors that resemble your avatar.

My question is why have you been stopped several times for various things? Would you share some of these various things?
 
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RoadSaint

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My question is why have you been stopped several times for various things? Would you share some of these various things?

Once for a DUI checkpoint, several times by those commercial truck checks near border towns, once for speeding where the speed limit abruptly changed and I didn't see the sign, and another time for an expired plate that wasn't supposed to be expired.(I paid to renew my plates, and had a receipt showing as much, but the DMV issued me a renewal sticker and put it in their system as my old, non-commercial plates that had been returned to them.) None of these resulted in a citation.

Now, that said, why does any of that make any difference? In a non-placarded non-combination vehicle under 10k GVW, I'm still not regulated by the DOT. I expect that the reason you were taken to the weigh station is that if you are placarded, you are DOT regulated regardless of vehicle weight. Don't take that as gospel. I'm working from memory here, and am not a DOT compliance professional.
 
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Turtle

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...if you are placarded, you are DOT regulated regardless of vehicle weight.
Correct. You must have a CDL with a HAZMAT endorsement to haul hazardous material which requires placarding, and if you are placarded, even in a Prius or a Smart Car, you are a genuine CMV with all the rights, privileges and hassles thereof.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
...several times by those commercial truck checks near border towns,
Why? You have stated: "I'm running a cargo van with no external decals for DOT or MC #'s, no ifta, under 10k GVW, and I've been stopped for various things several times now."

Now, that said, why does any of that make any difference?
In the general scheme of things, it doesn't make a difference. Even in the specific context of this thread it doesn't make a difference. I was just curious as to why you have been stopped several times.

I expect that the reason you were taken to the weigh station is that if you are placarded, you are DOT regulated regardless of vehicle weight.
Yes, that is part of the reason. Mostly it was because this Wisconsin State Trooper didn't think a cargo van could haul hazmat.
 

blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Hey all,

I just got setup on the forum after a couple of months of creeping without an account haha. My father passed away in December and I inherited his company. Still learning the basics of everything but I have been really struggling the past month.

January and early February were not even that bad, but lately everything has seemed to have just tanked.

I'm sorry about your father. It makes me wonder why some survive and some don't. I had what is called Saddle Pulmonary Embolism. Most people are diagnosed with this type of blood clot in autopsy. Blood clots really blow. Your dad probably had a genetic blood clotting factor that was undiagnosed. You should also be checked as well just to be safe. Some people do get blood clots from sitting for long periods of time, but normal people who do not have genetic blood clotting disorders do not usually get spontaneous blood cots.
 
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Sev

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I'm sorry about your father. It makes me wonder why some survive and some don't. I had what is called Saddle Pulmonary Embolism. Most people are diagnosed with this type of blood clot in autopsy. Blood clots really blow. Your dad probably had a genetic blood clotting factor that was undiagnosed. You should also be checked as well just to be safe. Some people do get blood clots from sitting for long periods of time, but normal people who do not have genetic blood clotting disorders do not usually get spontaneous blood cots.

This is exactly what my father's autopsy concluded! I actually had a blood clot myself when I was 19. I was diagnosed with something called thoracic outlet syndrome. Not a blood disorder, but I still visit a doctor annually to check that my clotting levels are not unusually high. Especially now after what happened with my dad.
 
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