Looks like the UAW and GM have everything under control!

Oilerman1957

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Unions wanted their share of the $$$ in good times..now in bad times...time to give some back....only fair...


Motorcycle maker Harley-Davidson Inc. reported a 72% drop in first-quarter earnings as motorcycle sales remained sluggish despite improvements in the U.S. economy.

The Milwaukee-based company said earnings fell to $33 million, or 14 cents a share, from $117 million, or 50 cents, a year earlier. Revenue declined 19% to $1 billion as motorcycle sales fell 24% in the U.S. and 2% in international markets.

When adjusted to exclude two motorcycles lines Harley is discontinuing, its earnings came to 29 cents a share, beating analysts' estimates of 22 cents a share. The positive earnings also signaled a rebound from a loss ...

But yet they are still turning a profit, threating jobs is just the way of the world today.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Motorcycle maker Harley-Davidson Inc. reported a 72% drop in first-quarter earnings as motorcycle sales remained sluggish despite improvements in the U.S. economy.

The Milwaukee-based company said earnings fell to $33 million, or 14 cents a share, from $117 million, or 50 cents, a year earlier. Revenue declined 19% to $1 billion as motorcycle sales fell 24% in the U.S. and 2% in international markets.

When adjusted to exclude two motorcycles lines Harley is discontinuing, its earnings came to 29 cents a share, beating analysts' estimates of 22 cents a share. The positive earnings also signaled a rebound from a loss ...

But yet they are still turning a profit, threating jobs is just the way of the world today.

looks like the wage cuts helped them turn that profit...there is almost no way to conclude one way or the other....companies are supposed to make a profit...that is the point....
 

Oilerman1957

Expert Expediter
looks like the wage cuts helped them turn that profit...there is almost no way to conclude one way or the other....companies are supposed to make a profit...that is the point....

Whatever, I hope they come for all the expediters next and cut pay so low you wont hardly be able to make your payments, your lack of caring for people or what happens in people lives is dishearting.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Whatever, I hope they come for all the expediters next and cut pay so low you wont hardly be able to make your payments, your lack of caring for people or what happens in people lives is dishearting.

How did you come to that conclusion?

I've known the big bucks ...and how much steak I ate...the money in bars, the new car every 2 years....and all the restaurant meals and the tips!!...I;ve been on the low end as well...lots of KD and PB sandwiches...and water...

One thing I've discovered the more ya make the more you spend on luxury items...

Now you can say all that spending I did created jobs...BUT maybe there has so much gluttony we've come to depend on it too much.....time to live within our means..
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Whatever, I hope they come for all the expediters next and cut pay so low you wont hardly be able to make your payments, your lack of caring for people or what happens in people lives is dishearting.


Let's see, our current congress wants to cut pay for active duty military, disabled vets, you know, those who do the most. I don't hear the UAW fighting that. They BACK those who want to do this. Their lack of caring for those who are willing to put THEIR lives on the line is dishearting.

I don't see a LIVING wage for firefighters, EMT's etc. MANY of those brave people who put THEIR LIVES on the line, have to work two jobs to make ends meet.

ONLY welfare rangers and medicade mammas won't lose any money. The BUMS are the ones who always make out with our government. This government WANTS more and more to become dependent on them, easier to control them that way. The UAW ALWAYS backs those who think that way. Just look at their backing of Dingellberry.
 

Oilerman1957

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Let's see, our current congress wants to cut pay for active duty military, disabled vets, you know, those who do the most. I don't hear the UAW fighting that. They BACK those who want to do this. Their lack of caring for those who are willing to put THEIR lives on the line is dishearting.

I don't see a LIVING wage for firefighters, EMT's etc. MANY of those brave people who put THEIR LIVES on the line, have to work two jobs to make ends meet.

ONLY welfare rangers and medicade mammas won't lose any money. The BUMS are the ones who always make out with our government. This government WANTS more and more to become dependent on them, easier to control them that way. The UAW ALWAYS backs those who think that way. Just look at their backing of Dingellberry.

Whats the UAW got to do with companies using extoration on city n states about jobs? Here's a company that is turning a profit wanting to cut wages and benefits for what? just more profit?
 

Oilerman1957

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How did you come to that conclusion?

I've known the big bucks ...and how much steak I ate...the money in bars, the new car every 2 years....and all the restaurant meals and the tips!!...I;ve been on the low end as well...lots of KD and PB sandwiches...and water...

One thing I've discovered the more ya make the more you spend on luxury items...

Now you can say all that spending I did created jobs...BUT maybe there has so much gluttony we've come to depend on it too much.....time to live within our means..

Again, whatever. Thats part of the problem with this country anymore,, We worry to much about what the other person has, and then claim they dont deserve it, Its all about me. me , me. We care less about our neighbors and just about anyone but ourselves. That is probably the baby boomers generation biggest flaw, you see it everywhere.
 

Oilerman1957

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Let's see, our current congress wants to cut pay for active duty military, disabled vets, you know, those who do the most. I don't hear the UAW fighting that. They BACK those who want to do this. Their lack of caring for those who are willing to put THEIR lives on the line is dishearting.

I don't see a LIVING wage for firefighters, EMT's etc. MANY of those brave people who put THEIR LIVES on the line, have to work two jobs to make ends meet.

ONLY welfare rangers and medicade mammas won't lose any money. The BUMS are the ones who always make out with our government. This government WANTS more and more to become dependent on them, easier to control them that way. The UAW ALWAYS backs those who think that way. Just look at their backing of Dingellberry.

And btw, you dont think the UAW isnt made up of any veterens? probably 30 to 40% of the workers there are veterens.
 
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OntarioVanMan

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Again, whatever. Thats part of the problem with this country anymore,, We worry to much about what the other person has, and then claim they dont deserve it, Its all about me. me , me. We care less about our neighbors and just about anyone but ourselves. That is probably the baby boomers generation biggest flaw, you see it everywhere.

My neighbors are not my concern..they live their lives the way they want to....I take care of ME and my immediate responsiblities..maybe if everyone would just take care of themselves..we'd all be better off...
 

Oilerman1957

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My neighbors are not my concern..they live their lives the way they want to....I take care of ME and my immediate responsiblities..maybe if everyone would just take care of themselves..we'd all be better off...

Exactly my point, Thank You, Yea, im sure if everyone had that opinion we would all be better off. I think the bible says that to, screw everyone, im for me. And we wonder why this country is in the shape it is in.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Exactly my point, Thank You, Yea, im sure if everyone had that opinion we would all be better off. I think the bible says that to, screw everyone, im for me. And we wonder why this country is in the shape it is in.

hey...Whats the old saying...I am not my neighbours keeper?

I do for me and my family and that is all that is required...of any individual...if everyone took care of their own sphere we wouldn't need any welfare care...and IF I so chose out of the generosity of my heart...I'll drop a buck or 2 into the Sally Ann bucket or buy a fund raising ticket...
 

Oilerman1957

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hey...Whats the old saying...I am not my neighbours keeper?

I do for me and my family and that is all that is required...of any individual...if everyone took care of their own sphere we wouldn't need any welfare care...and IF I so chose out of the generosity of my heart...I'll drop a buck or 2 into the Sally Ann bucket or buy a fund raising ticket...

its all about OVM. REQUIRED BY WHOSE STANDARDS? YOURS MAYBE. good luck with that, and you may want to take that organ request off your signature, if people took care of themselves they wouldnt need my organs, screw them, let them find there own organs. and the old saying is> I am my neighbors keeper btw
 
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OntarioVanMan

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its all about OVM. REQUIRED BY WHOSE STANDARDS? YOURS MAYBE. good luck with that, and you may want to take that organ request off your signature, if people took care of themselves they wouldnt need my organs, screw them, let them find there own organs. and the old saying is> I am my neighbors keeper btw

Aren't you using YOUR own set of standards? And organs is whole different discussion...

What I am saying is ...one should take care of thier lifes needs first and then...one can share IF they feel so compelled....like I donate my old coats to the coat drive and my clothes...I was a blood donor as well...because I thought it the right thing to do...on my own...
 

Oilerman1957

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Aren't you using YOUR own set of standards? And organs is whole different discussion...

What I am saying is ...one should take care of thier lifes needs first and then...one can share IF they feel so compelled....like I donate my old coats to the coat drive and my clothes...I was a blood donor as well...because I thought it the right thing to do...on my own...

maybe i am, but im not going around saying people should have there pay cut, they dont deserve what they make, I dont judge what they should or shouldnt have. I have only said its a shame for them to have to take a pay cut as the company remains profitable.
 

OntarioVanMan

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maybe i am, but im not going around saying people should have there pay cut, they dont deserve what they make, I dont judge what they should or shouldnt have. I have only said its a shame for them to have to take a pay cut as the company remains profitable.

I agree to that to a point....how long at the present pay scale will the company be able to sustain those profits without the cuts? I can't imagine a company arbitarily cutting wages while it maintains the same or better profits..that would be a shame..
 

cheri1122

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I agree to that to a point....how long at the present pay scale will the company be able to sustain those profits without the cuts? I can't imagine a company arbitarily cutting wages while it maintains the same or better profits..that would be a shame..

Did they cut mgmt's pay, or bonuses, as well?
BTW: they most often cut jobs, rather than wages, even when they're profitable, and yes, it is a shame. But profit isn't enough anymore, when 'shareholders' keep demanding more.
And when did investing become an entitlement to a return?:confused:

PS the 'welfare rangers & medicaid mommas' attitude is just plain ignorant, when the overwhelming majority of people getting aid are infants, children, elderly, and/or disabled. Think they should be taking care of themselves, eh?
Even LOS says that trained EMTs & firefighters need to work 2 jobs - how are the untrained expected to be self sufficient?
Which part of 'no jobs that pay a living wage' is so hard to grasp?
 

Oilerman1957

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I agree to that to a point....how long at the present pay scale will the company be able to sustain those profits without the cuts? I can't imagine a company arbitarily cutting wages while it maintains the same or better profits..that would be a shame..

A company can make its profit or loss almost anything they want, without looking at there books you dont know what they have done. If they really want to make pay cuts they can show a loss for yrs, then claim they are not competitive, easy as pie. Happens all the time
 

OntarioVanMan

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Living wage? that is so open ended...to who's living and to what standard...is that steak 3 times a week or once a month? maybe green fees once a month instead of once a week? 2 cars or a bus pass..?

these people are employees..living and working for a living...they depend on the employer...if the boss says cuts so be it...if they say ya get a raise, so be it...when you work for someone else you have little or no control
 

BillChaffey

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Unions had a place in our society and they abused it to their own destruction. The main reason work has gone over seas is because Unions demanded such an enormous compensation in pay & benefits the Companies could not sell their product & still make a profit. The average Union person in the 60's through the 80's would tell you, "if your giving your employer a days work your keeping another Union worker off the job" If you have ever seen six Union workers standing around @$40 - $50 an hour waiting for another Union worker to come and move a box 6" because it's not in their "job description" to move it. You can go back to the 70's and when Unions went on strike THEY WOULD BRAG "WE CAN CAN BRING THIS COUNTRY TO A HALT":mad:
 

Oilerman1957

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Living wage? that is so open ended...to who's living and to what standard...is that steak 3 times a week or once a month? maybe green fees once a month instead of once a week? 2 cars or a bus pass..?

these people are employees..living and working for a living...they depend on the employer...if the boss says cuts so be it...if they say ya get a raise, so be it...when you work for someone else you have little or no control

Living wage - Definition

Living wage refers to the hourly wage that one deems necessary for a person to achieve a basic standard of living. In the context of developed countries such as the United Kingdom or Switzerland, this standard is generally considered to require that a person working forty hours a week, with no additional income, should be able to afford housing, food, utilities, transportation, health care, and a certain amount of recreation. This concept differs from the minimum wage because the latter is set by law and may exceed or fail to meet the requirements of a living wage.

In the United States, several municipalities and local governments have enacted ordinances which set a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum for the purpose of requiring all jobs to meet the living wage for that region. Often, these ordinances only apply to certain types of businesses, such as those receiving government contracts. However, San Francisco, California, Santa Fe, New Mexico, and Madison, Wisconsin have notably passed very wide-reaching living wage ordinances


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