Looks like McPain in FL

[arkjarhead]

IMO you either think it's all a lie or none of it is. People want to pick and chose what they think is right in the Bible. They usually chose what makes them feel good, and push away what makes them feel guilty. That guilty feeling is conviction coming from the Holy Ghost. You can push the Holy Ghost away and he will leave. He's a gentleman like that. He doesn't stay anywhere he isn't wanted. Plus God says in his word he is the Alpha and the Omega. The Begining and the End. He is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow, and forever. He will not change. His word is a living word. It applies to our lives today as much as it did over 2,000 years ago when Jesus walked the earth. Historical aspect or not. You can use it as a history book if you would like, but it's more than that. I see the word as a living, breathing, functioning thing. Not some dead irrelevant object that applied to people's live years ago and is out dated.

 

[Turtle]

The Bible says over and over again the God will turn his back on any nation that turns it's back on Isreal.

That part was written by a Jew.

 

[greg334]

Leo,
I would say IF I go down that path of not voting for McCain I will be more than just interested in politics, I will be very vocal to my representatives about who is in the WH. As I have tried to explain to some, the president is not the person to be concern about, it is the congressman and senator who matters.

Voting and being a presences in your representative work world matters. Educating yourself to vote matters, and understanding the process matters.

I think that many republicans who are being told that they have to stand behind the candidate is getting them sick of the whole thing because of McCain. I heard a lot of hate for McCain last night on 'talk radio' and it amazed me that the prominent radio host have been coming out against McCain. We are seeing a melt down in the repub party and I personally think it is great because we will end up with another 1912 election where we saw a split in the party and Wilson, that great president got elected but this time we could elect anyone who the dems put on the ballot, Even Lenin and Stalin ticket will win over a split repub party.

By the way, just a little bit of info. The 1912 election was the first time primaries were used to determine a party's candidate and see what happened.

 

[highway star]

I, too, was very disappointed that Thompson didn't do well. There's no way in h-e-double hockey sticks I could ever vote for McCain. I respect him for the war hero he is, but not as a politician. My passion for politics began eroding during the Clinton years and it just keeps getting worse. I have a feeling I just won't vote this year. I'll probably get a lecture from Greg for saying this, but the Clinton years made me feel that my vote really doesn't matter and that feeling just keeps getting worse.

 

[davekc]

I have to admit, I am not really thrilled with any of the choices. It will be another repeat of voting for who will do the least amount of damage.

 

[highway star]

That's what I'm talkin' about Dave. The only vote I ever really felt great about was my second vote for Reagan. The rest of the time it's been the lesser of the evils.

 

[LDB]

I agree the house and senate are important.

I agree there are no choices.

I agree it's been impossible to vote for a candidate since Reagan. Every other vote has been nodding toward the lesser of the evils.

I'll still vote, although with zero enthusiasm and again toward the lesser evil.

It appears our choices will be a far left democrat with a democrat running mate or a left democrat with a possibly republican running mate. Sigh.

 

[Black Sheep]

For those of us old enough to remember the Carter years, the prospect of a Hillary presidency helps a lot in swallowing the bitter pill of a McCain vote. It's a frightening prospect to think of double-digit inflation, interest rates and unemployment; who remembers the "misery index" that was unique to Jimmy Carter? Considering the current uproar about the sub-prime housing market, can anyone imagine what would happen if mortgage rates rose to even 12%?? How about the auto business? Back in the '70s, luxury cars cost less than $10,000 and a lot of them were not financed when purchased. Think how double-digit interest rates would affect loan and lease programs that support automobile purchases nowadays.

The above scenario could be entirely possible, and even probably under a Hillary presidency which would be combined with left-leaning democrat controlled congress. Once she raises taxes, confiscates corporate profits and personal incomes she deems excessive and nationalizes the health care industry it's not hard to envision the downward spiral of the economy as corporations move offshore in even more numbers than they are now. Regarding the damage she would do to our military - I don't even want to go there. Even though Carter was just a political oaf, Hillary is a dedicated liberal fanatic that has her own vision for the country that's not in tune with democracy and capitalism as we know it.

How bad would a McCain presidency be compared to the above? Probably some of these things would happen under him - however, he's the lesser of the evils. If Romney has a rabbit in his hat, now would be the time to pull it out. Otherwise, there will probably be a lot of conservative GOP voters that will mistakenly stay at home and stew in November.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I have to admit, I am not really thrilled with any of the choices. It will be another repeat of voting for who will do the least amount of damage.

You could look at it this way, Dave: Hillary may damage the country for two years, then the voters will pull another Republican revolution. So while she's screwing up our White House again, she'll ruin her own party in the process.

McCain will damage the country AND the Republicans. How much he damages the country has yet to be seen.

Obama, whatever his motives, does NOT want to screw the country up (unless Padre is right). He is definitely the most clear headed/open minded between himself, Hill-Billy, and McCain.

Black Sheep... we can only hope our rabbit is ALL the conservatives getting pizzed at the FL results and voting NO on McCain.

Let's hope for that rabbit!

 

[Lawrence]

Where is Ron Paul in all this? He is the only one with a true conservative message. IMHO

 

[arkjarhead]

Ron Paul isn't doing enough to get his name out there. The media has pretty much already decided who they would have running on the Republican side. Once the media figures out who they want no one else has a chance. IMO.

 

[greg334]

Caution Long post ahead – but read it anyway……please

I, too, was very disappointed that Thompson didn't do well. There's no way in h-e-double hockey sticks I could ever vote for McCain. I respect him for the war hero he is, but not as a politician.

“Dear Fred,
What happened? You know that you sorely pissed off a lot of people who believed in you and your position and made us hate Law and Order.”

Thompson is a BIG disappointment but that is in the past as much as McCain being a hero is too. I am so sorry but his service to his country means nothing to me and a lot of others because of his distain towards us, US citizens.

My passion for politics began eroding during the Clinton years and it just keeps getting worse. I have a feeling I just won't vote this year. I'll probably get a lecture from Greg for saying this, but the Clinton years made me feel that my vote really doesn't matter and that feeling just keeps getting worse.

No lecture, me too. I had been back home for three years when ’92 election took place and I had debate on top of debate with the people I would see weekly and it was hard to concede a loss but the triumph came when the people I was debating were sorely disappointed with Clinton’s domestic policies.

I agree the house and senate are important.

I agree there are no choices.

I agree it's been impossible to vote for a candidate since Reagan. Every other vote has been nodding toward the lesser of the evils.

I'll still vote, although with zero enthusiasm and again toward the lesser evil.

It appears our choices will be a far left democrat with a democrat running mate or a left democrat with a possibly republican running mate. Sigh.

Again, this is really the problem, nothing there except evil – which evil do we want?

For those of us old enough to remember the Carter years, the prospect of a Hillary presidency helps a lot in swallowing the bitter pill of a McCain vote. It's a frightening prospect to think of double-digit inflation, interest rates and unemployment; who remembers the "misery index" that was unique to Jimmy Carter? Considering the current uproar about the sub-prime housing market, can anyone imagine what would happen if mortgage rates rose to even 12%?? How about the auto business? Back in the '70s, luxury cars cost less than $10,000 and a lot of them were not financed when purchased. Think how double-digit interest rates would affect loan and lease programs that support automobile purchases nowadays.

Well first thing is we know exactly what she stands for and how she will go about her work. We already had her in the WH, so what really matters is the congress.

12%? Try 18%. I remember the neighbors moving and they complained that 18% was the best interest rate they could get. I would like to see it got back to 5%.

The above scenario could be entirely possible, and even probably under a Hillary presidency which would be combined with left-leaning democrat controlled congress. Once she raises taxes, confiscates corporate profits and personal incomes she deems excessive and nationalizes the health care industry it's not hard to envision the downward spiral of the economy as corporations move offshore in even more numbers than they are now. Regarding the damage she would do to our military - I don't even want to go there. Even though Carter was just a political oaf, Hillary is a dedicated liberal fanatic that has her own vision for the country that's not in tune with democracy and capitalism as we know it.

Carter had the congress with him because of Watergate and the tired American public who didn’t care. We will have 2 years of hell with her and then we got to pull our heads out of the sand and get involved.

How bad would a McCain presidency be compared to the above? Probably some of these things would happen under him - however, he's the lesser of the evils. If Romney has a rabbit in his hat, now would be the time to pull it out. Otherwise, there will probably be a lot of conservative GOP voters that will mistakenly stay at home and stew in November.

I think it would be very very bad, Hillary has not been on the scene long enough in comparison and it will be a mess. He, McCain is the devil, where Hillary and Obama are just evil wantabes.

T-Hawk, McCain already damaged the country, take a good look at McCain-Feingold and tell me how constitutionally intrusive is that piece of legislation.

Lawrence, where is Ron Paul? He is ready to jump back to the libertarians and become their candidate. He really can’t do much with the media ignoring him.

Ark, this is why I don’t like Primaries, the media is the one who benefits – no one else.

NOW for something else to think about.

I am for closed borders. I want to see a ditch 300 feet wide with a wall on each side got from one end of the southern border to the other end. My reasoning is as follows in the following order;

• Sovereignty
• Human rights
• Security
• Jobs

I call McCain un-American for a number of reasons and the McCain-Kennedy bill is one, the $50/hour lettuce picking jobs is another but mainly for his comments about supporting amnesty during the debate, calling his colleagues racists and xenophobes after the bill was defeated and then making it a point that he is for border security during the primaries while not doing a thing as a senator.

But what really really gets me is the fact that he has selected Juan Hernandez as his latino outreach director and what makes me scared is McCain’s comments about his decision “He's on my staff because he supports my policies and my proposals and my legislative proposal to secure the borders first, that no one will receive Social Security benefits who is in this country illegally. I don't know what his previous positions are, other previous positions are but he supports mine. I have nothing to do with his. And he has volunteered to help me with outreach to our Hispanic citizenry as that is his reach as I outreach to every citizen in America.”

Now many of you will say so what he has this guy working for him but the really big problem is that McCain has already NOT done anything for his own state and has been pissed off that the McCain-Kennedy bill was stopped by the people of the country so having an open border person on his campaign. I would say with McCain, the Fairness doctrine would be one piece of legislation he will push through in the first 100 days to make sure the people don’t rise up again followed up with a revised version of the McCain-Kennedy bill.

I can not trust him to be president under any circumstances with this record on the border alone. I can write reams of stuff on campaign finance reform and how he cheats the system but I won’t bore you all with that, the border issue should be an indicator.


If you look at my list, he flunks out on the first one, he has allowed an open borders former Mexican cabinet member to direct his Latino outreach part of his campaign but seeing that he goes along with Juan Hernandez by his justification, he also turns his back on human rights.

I am all for legal immigration and proper entire into this country and for a very good reason. I know about the abuse that some go through getting here and other who don’t want to come here who are forced to. Tonight I saw a very good film about the open border and the subject of human trafficking. Why I want to have a border that is 300 feet wide with walls has more to do with this abuse than it has to do with anything else. I wish I could buy copies of the film and give it away but alas I am a poor owner – the film is Trade with Kevin Kline and only touches on the subject a little bit. It is based on an NY Times article The girls next door - you should read it.



Security is an easy one, what has he done to ensure that the border guards that are in jail are actually getting a fair trail? What has he done to censure or remove Johnny Sutton? What has he done? Nothing!

I don’t apologize for my disdain and contempt I have for this guy, I think in my life time I have seen a few that I can not stand and wish would disappear from the political scene, McCain ranks up there with Carter and Grandholm.

 

[RLENT]

Ron Paul isn't doing enough to get his name out there. The media has pretty much already decided who they would have running on the Republican side. Once the media figures out who they want no one else has a chance. IMO.

Hmmm .... good point Ark.

Maybe we should just skip the election altogether and have them medja folks just decide ...... whatcha think ?

 

[mrgoodtude]

All I have to say..

 

[dhalltoyo]

OK, I have actually been moving some freight so I just wanted to reply to some of the posts.

First, this is an informal setting and the thought never crossed my mind that folks would expect you to make actual footnotes; considering the amount of information that is readily available to any person with eyes (Braille for that matter) and ears.

I read several publications that come to the house, I listen to numerous broadcasters and I constantly search data bases. Oh, and toss in a few books for good measure. From that mix of available information, I develop a finished product. I wrote a newspaper column for two years that appeared in the OP/ED section. Nobody ever asked me to reveal my sources; including the editor. Why? I wasn't reporting. And I am not reporting here either.

Second, anytime one places his or herself into the public area, they automatically open the door for scrutiny. The association between Barack Hussein Obama’s pastor and Louis Farrakhan is documented in several published articles. Look em’ up for yourself. Moreover, Reverend Wright’s father was a Baptist Minister, but his son Jeremiah chose not to follow in his father’s footsteps. I actually converse with many pastors and a few of the older ones and their sons knew Jeremiah’s father. That man actually knew the Bible. Oh, here is a reference for you: Genesis 16:11-12 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren. Now, don’t you feel all warm and fuzzy because you have a documented piece of manuscript? Ah, it matters little, because you’ll believe what you want to believe. Gee, how many of the detractors have read the Koran from cover to cover? Hmmmm. Thought so. I can give you chapter and verse from the Koran that clearly shows the intent to wipe from the face of this earth all non-believers. And for those of you who were never encouraged to study the Bible, or taught by a Bible Believer, Ishmael is where the split takes place. Study out his lineage and the places they settled; it is the Arabic nations.

Third, I placed strong emphasis on his actual name, because it known as “Author’s Privilege”. I wrote the informal piece, not you. Most people haven’t a clue about Barack Hussein Obama and the liberal television news anchors and newspaper reporters have yet to even mention his full name. Of course, they all disliked President Richard Milhous Nixon and there are thousands of print articles and video clips depicting the liberal media using his full name. It’s called equal time folks. And no, I am not spending my valuable time giving you footnote references. You obviously have a computer, so look em’ up.

Fourth, the Bible is actually proper divided by its Doctrinal, Historical and Spiritual aspects. The entire Bible is written for us, but not the entire Bible is written directly to us. It is known as RIGHTLY DIVIDING the Word of Truth. Once again, I’ll give the reference, so look it up. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. How about that; we are commanded to study!

When considering a text one must consider the law of first usage and majority usage. The Ten Commandments were Mosiac law, but nothing changed between the time they were penned and the time that the Apostle Paul was commanded to go to the Gentiles. The nation of Israel rejected the Messiah and sets them on the shelf for a time. The blessings of God move to the Gentile nations. God is gracious, but Moses had to stand in defense of the children of Israel on several occasions because God’s righteous anger was kindled by their disobedience; therefore, God could also pull back from blessing America, IF we do not bless Israel. Nothing has changed regarding that promise since it was written in Genesis. God is more pleased with obedience than even sacrifice. Please read 1 Samuel 15:22 as I don’t have time to post the footnote and it will profit you more by picking up your Bible; good reason to knock the dust off as well. And you can see how America’s continual rejection of God’s simple standards has brought forth a nation of disobedient and rebellious children. Not too long ago, I actually saw a 10-12 year old slap his mother in the face. Twenty years ago that would never have happened. Science and education have certainly brought us a long way. Uh, science so falsely called. Again, please read 1 Timothy 6:20 for the reference. You probably won’t because it is easier to sit back and take pop shots at the author of this informal post. Now matter, I have come to expect it, no I have learned to expect it; the Bible says in 2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. Nobody went ballistic when Senator McCain was being dumped upon by referring to him as McPain. Think about that for second. Ya man! How bout dat? (Grammatical attribute to the xcol06) Sorry colonel, no time for a footnote.

Fifth, should Lawrence decide that a “Credited Attribute” forum is warranted, I’ll gladly write down every reference for any thing that I post. To be quite honest, I am not working on a dissertation for my doctorate.

Sixth, I do read everything in print by Dr. Samuel C. Gipp, Dr. William P. Grady, and Dr. Peter Ruckman. I also subscribe to “The Voice of Martyrs”1 (It will tell you the real story of how peaceful muslims are in Africa as they butcher innocent women and children) and “The Bible Believer’s Bulletin.”

1.Special Report, “When Violence Touches Children” December 2007, The Voice of the Martrys, P.O. Box 443, Bartlesville, OK 74005-0443 www.persecution.com

In closing, if I have ever copied and pasted any corporate information, tables, charts or miscellaneous data without giving proper credit to the author, I apologize for the oversight.

Please vote. Vote for the Republican of your choice, but please remember to vote; even if the choices are not to your liking. Hey, pastors have said some pretty dumb things from the pulpit, me included, but I ain't becomin' heathen just because someone opens their mouth without thinking. Just as I ain't jumpin' ship because somebody isn't "lock step" with my way of thinking. I'll just ask my Congressional Representatives to speak with the President on my behalf.

 

[Turtle]

I hardly know where to begin.

I agree that in an informal setting such at this, one doesn't need to footnote and reference everything. If, however, you copy and paste large chunks of text from another Web page, it's only good manners to post where it came from, even if only to allows others a place to start for any additional research they wish to do on the subject.

Gee, how many of the detractors have read the Koran from cover to cover? Hmmmm. Thought so. I can give you chapter and verse from the Koran that clearly shows the intent to wipe from the face of this earth all non-believers.

I have. And I can show you the same verses, interpreted differently, that say something else entirely. And, I can do the same thing with the Bible.

Third, I placed strong emphasis on his actual name, because it known as “Author’s Privilege”. I wrote the informal piece, not you.

Author's privilege does not absolve you from criticism for it. It's gonna happen. Deal with it.

Most people haven’t a clue about Barack Hussein Obama and the liberal television news anchors and newspaper reporters have yet to even mention his full name. Of course, they all disliked President Richard Milhous Nixon and there are thousands of print articles and video clips depicting the liberal media using his full name.

Wow. They must really dislike Hillary Rodham Clinton, as well as that William Jefferson Clinton dood. Then again, there aren't any recent hot-button enemies of the State named Jefferson or Rodham, either.

Those who use Obama's full name do so not for thoroughness, but to push the buttons of those who are easily manipulated. When one hears or reads the name Hussein, particularly when emphasized in underlined and bold lettering, as if to somehow be more important than the other two names it is listed along side of, it is likely to bring up thoughts of Saddam, of evil. In employing such literary tricks, it is the hope of the author to use that privilege to cloud the minds of readers and lead them into connecting that evil to Obama, regardless of whether any such evil actually exists. Some of us can see right through it. Not all of us are sheep.

There wasn't an uproar over the "McPain" thing because of how it was used. It was used in a subject heading, and nowhere else, and was done so in a humorous manner to express a political opinion. It was not used as a vehicle to spread hate. Using Hussein repeatedly in the manner in which you chose to do, as a hot button emotional issue to manipulate and cloud the minds of readers, is an attempt to to elicit hate for Obama on an emotional basis rather than on the issues. If one reads between the lines it's not hard to see that you are telling us to hate Obama for what you think he is and for what you think he might do (all without any evidence, mind you), rather than for who he is or what he stands for. You can call it whatever you like, but that's preaching racism and hate, pure and simple, and you're doing so under the banner of religion legitimacy, not to mention under the blanket of an EO Moderator.

It’s called equal time folks.

No, it's not. I've read the FCC rules regarding equal time. It's to be found in Section 315. Look it up. This is nothing more than an attempt at getting others to think the same way as you, but using an emotional argument in the guise of Author's Privilege instead of an intellectual argument on the issues. My problem with Obama is not his name, or who his pastor knows, of where his parents dragged him to during his salad years. I don't even have a problem with the fact that he converted to Christianity and you don't believe him. My problem with Obama is that he may be too idealistic and that he makes decisions without necessarily thinking them through. For example, he has stated that he would immediately pull all the troops out of Iraq, but he hasn't thought through all the consequences of such an action. He obviously doesn't remember what happened in Viet Nam when that same thing happened there. Millions died as a result.

Fourth, the Bible is actually proper divided by its Doctrinal, Historical and Spiritual aspects. The entire Bible is written for us, but not the entire Bible is written directly to us. It is known as RIGHTLY DIVIDING the Word of Truth. Once again, I’ll give the reference, so look it up. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. How about that; we are commanded to study!

I understand you are a pastor, and I respect that, utterly. I respect you a great deal for it, actually. But this is a Web site about expediting, and we are not your congregation. The Soapbox notwithstanding, we don't need a sermon here. Save it for a religious Web site.

Sixth, I do read everything in print by Dr. Samuel C. Gipp, Dr. William P. Grady, and Dr. Peter Ruckman. I also subscribe to “The Voice of Martyrs”1 (It will tell you the real story of how peaceful muslims are in Africa as they butcher innocent women and children) and “The Bible Believer’s Bulletin.”

Of course, no one has ever butchered anyone in the name of Christianity, Judaism, or whatever religion du jour seems appropriate. I guess one could always hope that Islamic Fundamentalists will direct the suicide bombing efforts at abortion clinics here in the States, but I don't think that's likely to happen.


"Paint not with a brush too broad, for you may paint the unintended, and splatter yourself." - Me

"Be aware that a halo has to fall only a few inches to be a noose." - Dan McKinnon, Canadian Musician

"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." - Andre Gide, Author, Nobel Prize Winner

 

[davekc]

With all the political talk on candidates, I am surprised it really hasn't been mentioned where they stand on trucking issues.

The last vote on the Mexican trucking issue was a huge disappointment as far as McCain. Here is a senator from AZ, and he decided to not even vote on this bill. Absolutely pathetic IMHO.
McCain is all about NAFTA. Even Hillary and Obama voted not to let them in.

As for religious views, there are so many. I don't think it is anyone's place to have a point that THEIRS is the only one.
I am mindful of the fact that the majority of wars/conflicts are centered around religion.
As mentioned, much of the Bible and Koran have numerous interpretations on the same writings. Pretty much the same reason there are so many religions.
Just a keep in mind, that everyone has MANY different views on this subject.

 

[copdsux]

Hey Reverend(?): Quite a response to a post that only requested your sources in order to facilitate further reading of
your allegations.

 

[dhalltoyo]

As I originally stated, I expect the criticism; therefore, I dealt with it long before I even posted.

FYI, the media seldom ever referred to President Clinton as William Jefferson Clinton and the First Lady as Hillary Rodham Clinton until there were murmurings of impeachment for the Oval office fiasco involving Monica. It is known as distancing one's self from an issue that may come back to bite you. It analogous to mama hollering at me from across the street, as she begins with “David Michael Hall…”; suddenly all of the kids playing baseball with me would scatter, because they knew trouble was a comin’.

Those who use his full name do so to push the hot buttons of those who are easily manipulated. Forgive the chuckle, but…it obviously struck a nerve with you. Too funny! The added emphasis is only to shed light on what the media is failing to report regarding Senator Obama, but I guess you are prophet and have the gift of visions to see into the intents of my heart. Not! That is merely conjecture on your part. Your reference to the FCC rules and regulations in Section 315 has absolutely nothing to do with my comments, unless you are listening to a broadcast of the subject matter printed here. I only mentioned “equal time” to express my dissatisfaction with the mainstream media’s lack of reporting on the candidates.

I actually voted for former President Clinton during his initial bid for office. Moreover, I have always told congregations that if he were to walk into the sanctuary, I would greet him as Mr. President, because it is the right thing to do. Uh, do you need the Scriptural reference for that statement too? In the event that Senator Obama is elected to that office, I would do likewise.

The evidence of Senator Obama's glowing praise of Reverend Wright is factual. You'll find numerous articles in print regarding such. Reverend Wright's sermons regarding White Supremacy echo the same dribble coming from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Feel free to visit his church and listen for yourself. Reverend Wright's association and praise of Louis Farrakan is available. Get a copy of the Trumpet Newsmagazine and look for yourself. A pastor in Chicago is trying to find his copy for me. The pastor in Chicago has been to several functions were the Reverend Wright has spoken and he passed the information along to me, but I guess his information would be considered hatred by your standards, or at least misinformation, because you are not holding a copy in your hands. To honor your request, I did find the article from whence I gathered a portion of my information…as so demanded. I hope it suffices, or pacifies, because I could not get Richard Cohen to call you. My apology to freightchaser for not finding it sooner, but I have a family to support, so I to chase the freight too.

Obama's Farrakhan Test
By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, January 15, 2008; Page A13 Washington Post

Evidence of what he might do? Well, if I see a guy standing in front of a burning building, holding an empty 5 gallon gasoline can and a Bic lighter and his eyes are spinning with glee, do I to have seen him flick the Bic? It is know as circumstantial evidence. I like to think of it as having some discernment. I have listened to Obama's political rhetoric long before he even became a senator; hence, I have no confidence in his defense of Israel. Again, it is my opinion, based upon what I have heard him say.

I never had hidden the fact that I am a Bible Believer or an EO Moderator; my signature line is testimony to that fact. I hardly see how your comment in regards to being under the banner and blanket of religion and position has any merit unless you are simply attacking me personally to elevate to yourself. Just because we differ in views does not mean we attack other members and visitors on a personal level. Additionally, I am not running for any political office; consequently, the scrutiny is unwarranted. In the event that I do decide to run for office, you then have my full permission to inspect me; even the garbage in our trashcans too.

Do I know everything about the Bible? Not hardly! I counsel with men who have studied it for over thirty years and there are a few salient passages beyond their grasp of understanding. I do know that God has a Perfect Will for our lives and a Permissive Will. The Permissive Will allows for what we deem as tragic events. Here in this life, I will never have the mind of God, so I have to yield my understanding to the Permissive Will; thus, I can not comprehend why God permits those things which I, or others, would deem to be butchery or atrocities. I for one will never forget watching Muslims saw off the head of a live hostage! The gurgling screams…forever etched in my memory. His Perfect Will is quite definitive and easily found within the Scriptures.

Again, let me state categorically, "I hate no individual; sin yes, but an individual...no."

Peace!

 

[Turtle]

FYI, the media seldom ever referred to President Clinton as William Jefferson Clinton and the First Lady as Hillary Rodham Clinton until there were murmurings of impeachment for the Oval office fiasco involving Monica. It is known as distancing one's self from an issue that may come back to bite you.

That's simply not true. Midway through Bill's first campaign as he began to garner delegates, the media, particularly the liberal media (led by CNN) began using Bill Clinton's middle name much in the same way you use Obama's middle name, actually, to evoke the emotions and feelings. Using the name of Jefferson proudly associated Bill Clinton with patriotism, with America, with the Founding Fathers. <cue music, wave the flag, His Truth Goes Marching On...> (that actually happened on CNN)

Hillary didn't take the name of Clinton when they were married (never legally changed her name until much later). She kept it as Hillary (Diane) Rodham, ostensibly to keep their public and private lives separate, and to avoid any perception of a conflict of interest. Fact is, she didn't want to be second banana and be lost in the shadows. She had her own aspirations.

When Bill was voted out of the governor's office and then two years later campaigned again for that office, Hillary then began using Hillary Clinton in order to garner a more favorable appeal with the more traditional Arkansas voters. During the campaign she devoted herself to being by his side, shutting her mouth, and fawning over her man.

Soon as Bill won she went back to Rodham and the Rose Law firm. When Bill made noises of maybe not running again, Hillary strongly considered running herself, but the polls indicated that wasn't gonna happen. So, they ran for president, instead.

It was in the presidential campaign that Jennifer Flowers sprouted like a bad weed, and in order to protect the campaign, Hillary stood by her man. Which is ironic, since she shortly thereafter cracked sideways at Tammy Wynette and staying home and baking cookies.

The day after Clinton's inauguration in Jan 1993 Hillary announced to the world that she would hereafter forever be known as Hillary Rodham Clinton. Obviously, in that case, it was a move to distance herself from, how did you put it?... something that might later come back to bite her. <giggle>

I'm surprised you don't remember all that. It was big news. In fact, the movie Hot Shots! Part Deux, which was released just 4 months after the inauguration, took pot shots at the First Lady by having every female character in the movie bear the middle name of Rodham. It was hilarious.

So, the media has been using Hillary Rodham Clinton since Day Two, and not, as you have stated, since the murmurings of impeachment.

Those who use his full name do so to push the hot buttons of those who are easily manipulated

. Forgive the chuckle, but…it obviously struck a nerve with you. Too funny!

Yeah, it is pretty funny. I know well the tricks of the pen.

The added emphasis is only to shed light on what the media is failing to report regarding Senator Obama, but I guess you are prophet and have the gift of visions to see into the intents of my heart. Not! That is merely conjecture on your part.

I am not a prophet nor do I have the gift of visions. But I can read.

Your reference to the FCC rules and regulations in Section 315 has absolutely nothing to do with my comments, unless you are listening to a broadcast of the subject matter printed here. I only mentioned “equal time” to express my dissatisfaction with the mainstream media’s lack of reporting on the candidates.

Then don't call it equal time, 'cause it's not. It's merely your slant on the subject.

I actually voted for former President Clinton during his initial bid for office. Moreover, I have always told congregations that if he were to walk into the sanctuary, I would greet him as Mr. President, because it is the right thing to do. Uh, do you need the Scriptural reference for that statement too?

I don't recall ever asking for a scriptural reference for anything you've ever written. Why would I want one now?

The evidence of Senator Obama's glowing praise of Reverend Wright is factual.

So?
I'm not a Rev Wright fan, far from it, but I do believe there is good in all people.

You'll find numerous articles in print regarding such. Reverend Wright's sermons regarding White Supremacy echo the same dribble coming from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Feel free to visit his church and listen for yourself. Reverend Wright's association and praise of Louis Farrakan is available.

Wright, Jackson, Sharpton nor Farrakan are running for president. What they do, what they stand for, and Obama's association with them is important, I think, but I'm gonna make the leap of guilt by association. Much in the same way that circumstantial evidence is the weakest form of evidence. It's not about what you believe, it's about what you can prove, especially when you're dealing with someone's character.

To honor your request, I did find the article from whence I gathered a portion of my information…as so demanded.

I made no such request or demand.

I hope it suffices, or pacifies, because I could not get Richard Cohen to call you.

That's probably a good thing, actually, as I have read many articles by Mr. Cohen, and am well aware of his own personal crusade, and of how well he represents his particular special interest group.

I never had hidden the fact that I am a Bible Believer or an EO Moderator; my signature line is testimony to that fact. I hardly see how your comment in regards to being under the banner and blanket of religion and position has any merit unless you are simply attacking me personally to elevate to yourself. Just because we differ in views does not mean we attack other members and visitors on a personal level.

Just because I differ with your views does not mean I'm attacking you on a personal level, either. I have no problem with you being a Bible Believer, or a pastor, something that I have already stated previously. I have no problem with Scripture in your signature.

I do object to being preached to, complete with Scripture, on topics as wide ranging as road rage and the high cost of diesel fuel. There are people here, besides me, who actually notice when you make a post that doesn't include a Biblical reference. The fact that you do so as a Moderator is a little disturbing, but that is for others to deal with as they see fit. I'll deal with it in my own way.

Look, I know you're a pastor, and as I've said, and I respect that. That's who you are, and I have no problem with that. None whatsoever. But, just the same, there's a time and a place for everything, and this ain't it.

Additionally, I am not running for any political office; consequently, the scrutiny is unwarranted. In the event that I do decide to run for office, you then have my full permission to inspect me; even the garbage in our trashcans too.

This is not a pulpit, and I'm not going to take it in and believe it just because you say it. It doesn't work that way. If you post to a public forum, you invite scrutiny. I have the right to disagree, and I have the right to voice my disagreement. Whether or not you are running for political office is irrelevant.

Do I know everything about the Bible? Not hardly! I counsel with men who have studied it for over thirty years and there are a few salient passages beyond their grasp of understanding.

Thank God you're there to set 'em straight.

Peace!

Indeed.