log book questions
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Brisco
Expert Expediter
I too agree with NANB........he should be Logging coming back.......
What trailer? So far jbrand has only posted once here........and we are all answering his original question NOT knowing what type of vehicle he is running these hotshots in.....thus the reason I asked yesterday what type of vehicle it was he was driving.
The reason I asked this question is, is he running for some local "Courier" company here in Dallas that only has their Texas MC doing "Intrastate" deliveries only in Box Trucks that are under 26K? Or does this company have their full blown Interstate DOT Authority running freight all over the country? Answer could be very different than whats all been provided so far from drivers that are used to running under DOT Authorities. If all this company has is their TX MC Authority, and if he is running with a box truck under 26K.....Texas does not regulate anything under 26K. (Intrastate TX MC ONLY! - They do regulate Interstate DOT Authorities - as most truckers know!)
But......JBrand is obviously "Logging" for some reason during his outbound run.....and probably has had a couple of different answers from the company he's doing these hotshots for with regards to his logging his trip back to Dallas. And, I've kind of got an idea that his company TOLD him to Log coming back and he doesn't think he should since he's empty. So he's here asking us..........
We'll see......At least there's a LOT of good information here pertaining to logging.......
There's also a lot of info on rules created for a scenario that fits the drivers of TL & LTL carriers, [domiciled from & return to specific location, dropping truck & returning to pick it up], but not expediting.
Even the rules that do apply are inexplicable, for example: "To be considered off duty, a driver must have been relieved of all duty & responsibility for the care & custody of the vehicle" is followed [in the response from FMCSA] by the assertion that the driver in question IS off duty, because they own the truck. Huh? If you own it, you're not responsible for the care & custody of it when not under dispatch? Looks like Moose won't get rich after all....
That FMCSA would permit each carrier to define the parameters of what constitutes 'personal conveyance' is just incredible - that's a clear dereliction of their duty, isn't it?
Last, I'm totally with Zorry, who can't understand what difference it makes whether the truck is laden or empty when one needs to detour to Radio Shack for a new part for the mp3 player - none of the rules make sense. And they all seem to presume a truck driven by one of the ATA carriers, with a team in it, which applies to me in no way, shape, or form.
Even the rules that do apply are inexplicable, for example: "To be considered off duty, a driver must have been relieved of all duty & responsibility for the care & custody of the vehicle" is followed [in the response from FMCSA] by the assertion that the driver in question IS off duty, because they own the truck. Huh? If you own it, you're not responsible for the care & custody of it when not under dispatch? Looks like Moose won't get rich after all....
That FMCSA would permit each carrier to define the parameters of what constitutes 'personal conveyance' is just incredible - that's a clear dereliction of their duty, isn't it?
Last, I'm totally with Zorry, who can't understand what difference it makes whether the truck is laden or empty when one needs to detour to Radio Shack for a new part for the mp3 player - none of the rules make sense. And they all seem to presume a truck driven by one of the ATA carriers, with a team in it, which applies to me in no way, shape, or form.
I think the more important point, in Zorry's scenario, is that he was on a secure load. Someone, in that situation, is in the cab anyhow, burning log time, driving or not.
And Moose, that ambulance chaser might be begging for a hot meal. I'll see him/her with my insurance company lawyer, and the carrier's lawyer(s), armed with the letter from FMCSA that says I can do it. Sorry, brother.....I don't make the rules. When I did get stopped for said 'surprise' inspection, the idiot Trooper kept on asking me if we were responsible for the truck. I, in turn, kept responding that my wife and I owned the truck.
Kudos to Doug on all of his work.
On a side note, does anyone find it the least bit disturbing that LEO's (scale/CMV cops or just plain Troopers) are increasingly in the habit of approaching the passenger door, opening it up, and climbing right in? This happened to us. While we have zero to hide, I just find it a tad "intrusive". Anyone have similar tales?
zorry
Veteran Expediter
In the situation I stated I did have a secure load on.
After my conversation with safety the secure part had nothing to do with their answer.
If I had a pallet of oil filters on they said I would be illegal showing Off Duty Driving for personal use simply because I was loaded.
This is where Phil should be saying " it's all liability. Carrier has more liability if I'm loaded. Less responsibility when empty."
After my conversation with safety the secure part had nothing to do with their answer.
If I had a pallet of oil filters on they said I would be illegal showing Off Duty Driving for personal use simply because I was loaded.
This is where Phil should be saying " it's all liability. Carrier has more liability if I'm loaded. Less responsibility when empty."
moose
Veteran Expediter
AJ,
that letter have nothing to do with my statement what so ever,
a driver is simply NOT allowed to move his rig unless ALL rest requirements have been met.
which was my point.
once the rest requirement have been met, then then & only then, personal convenience allowance MIGHT take place.
in that trip to Nowhere Nevada, NOT all rest requirements have been met.
that letter have nothing to do with my statement what so ever,
a driver is simply NOT allowed to move his rig unless ALL rest requirements have been met.
which was my point.
once the rest requirement have been met, then then & only then, personal convenience allowance MIGHT take place.
in that trip to Nowhere Nevada, NOT all rest requirements have been met.
jimby82
Veteran Expediter
We keep the doors locked at all times, even driving down the highway.
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We do, as well. Deer strike took out the A/C condenser. Windows were all the way down. Remember how hot it got last weekend?
BigRed32771
Expert Expediter
Moose, nothing in the research I've done has pointed to a requirement that "ALL rest requirements have been met." If you've got something on it, I'd love to see it.
According to the sources I've worked with, a driver could use up his entire 11/14 hour day, be released from duty at his home terminal, and then drive "off-duty" to his home in his CMV, just as he could in his little Smart car. Now, reality might dictate that if that drive home is very far he might need to lay down and take a little nap. My friend who drives 4 hours home sometimes does that, but he doesn't have to get an entire 10 hour rest break in order to make or even begin the drive.
Regarding the trip to Nowhere, the drivers could if they chose immediately begin the trip to Notsowidespot and then do their layup their and be within the rules. Or, they could get some sleep, then move to Notsowidespot after at least one of them had 10 hours of rest if they were too tired to make the drive safely. The point, though, is that either option would be within the rules for Personal Use driving. The only requirement is that they operate safely, just as would be the case if they were in a personal car.
Take care.
The off duty driving is there for situations like you need groceries, or you have to move the truck for some reason. Not to drive all over the world. Your log violation not mine but thats what gives the FMCSA the fuel to push and sadle us drivers with the EOBR.