Leased to 2 Carriers ???

iceroadtrucker · May 13, 2008

I got a simple Question for YA ALL.
Ill play The Rock on this one as I would realy like to know.
How can some one be leased on to 2 carriers at the same time
Land star and Fedex??? The reason is I know an Individual that claims he is. vvvv gggg out a CT.
How can he do that?? I asked him how he did his logs and he said
off duty for one company and on duty for the other. He has an inspection every 3 months for landstar and one every 6 months for Fed. He said he uses magnetic signs to switch when he is running loads.
Personnal I dont think that is legal but I could be wrong unless maybe he is running on his own authority.
So whats the real deal???
Now dont any of ya jump on me I am asking how can he do that??

pjjjjj · May 13, 2008

It'd probably be a good idea not to name names?
If he were independent, I doubt if he would have to submit to inspections by each carrier, like a contractor would.
Could be he has his own plates, and insurance. Someone on here mentioned recently that a vehicle can be under 2 different operating authorities?
I wouldn't think one carrier would know about the other.
And I thought MY life was complicated!

iceroadtrucker · May 13, 2008

Thanks name removed but yes he has to do both companies inspections. every 3 months at land star and Every 6 months at Fed.
It still dont make sense. as He stated he has Mag signs to put on for which ever carrier he is running for. Now as you stated if he running under his own then he wouldnt have to submit to the 3 and six month inspections but in his case he stated he does. The logs got to be a headace.
Any Case I just thought Id ask. I stated what was told to me here, I scratach my head and still wonder.

terryandrene · May 13, 2008

I'd be inclined to believe the other driver if he had two qualcomm antennas. A savvy DOT inspector would probably inquire about the antennas and surmise with two antenna, there must be two sets of logs, permits and truck markings.

LDB · May 13, 2008

Sounds like a "tall tale". There's no way either of those reputable companies would be a party to that.

Jefferson3000 · May 14, 2008

If he were running his own authority, he would not be using mag signs for other carriers, he would have his own plastered on the truck. So, I agree it may be a tall tale.

Crazynuff · May 15, 2008

iceroadtrucker said:
I got a simple Question for YA ALL.
Ill play The Rock on this one as I would realy like to know.
How can some one be leased on to 2 carriers at the same time
Land star and Fedex??? The reason is I know an Individual that claims he is. vvvv gggg out a CT.
How can he do that?? I asked him how he did his logs and he said
off duty for one company and on duty for the other. He has an inspection every 3 months for landstar and one every 6 months for Fed. He said he uses magnetic signs to switch when he is running loads.
Personnal I dont think that is legal but I could be wrong unless maybe he is running on his own authority.
So whats the real deal???
Now dont any of ya jump on me I am asking how can he do that??

He cannot log that way . He can only keep one set of logs and every company I know of requires at least the last 7 days . 395.8
If he has his own authority he will be in big trouble when audited . I know several small carriers with their own authority that broker loads through Landstar but those loads are still run under their authority with no need to have Landstar signs .

pjjjjj · May 15, 2008

LDB said:
Sounds like a "tall tale". There's no way either of those reputable companies would be a party to that.

That's true, but isn't there a way the guy could be signed up with both carriers (against contract specifications, no doubt!), without either of them knowing about the other? That would then make sense for there to be 2 sets of log books, 2 sign plates, 2 inspections, etc. Jeeze not a bad deal.. if he's stuck waiting on FECC, he can find his own load thru LEA! I don't know how the plates would work tho.. unless the plates are his own (our carrier owns our plates, even tho we pay the price).

LDB · May 15, 2008

pjjjjj said:
That's true, but isn't there a way the guy could be signed up with both carriers (against contract specifications, no doubt!), without either of them knowing about the other?

If they didn't require a truck inspection prior to signing on and didn't require huge decals on the cargo box and didn't require their DOT and other information on the cab and didn't require their QC system be installed in every vehicle before being released to dispatch I guess it's theoretically possible to be signed on with two carriers. I don't see any possible scenario that would allow doing so with two reputable companies such as those.

Just for grins let's say someone managed it with TweedleDee Junk Transporters and TweedleDum Stuff Movers Inc. He takes a job for Dee from Indy to Knoxville. He reported in to Dum he was available for dispatch in Indy. The next day Dum calls with a load out of Indy and he says he's in Knoxville. This goes on time after time back and forth. Before long even Dee and Dum are going to get wise when he's hundreds of miles from his last reported position.

No, I see this as another variation of the Company A is merging with Company B gossip STUPIDITY that so many report so often after they've wasted time with a group of steering wheel holders at the truckstop.

pjjjjj · May 15, 2008

LDB said:
Just for grins let's say someone managed it with TweedleDee Junk Transporters and TweedleDum Stuff Movers Inc. He takes a job for Dee from Indy to Knoxville. He reported in to Dum he was available for dispatch in Indy. The next day Dum calls with a load out of Indy and he says he's in Knoxville. This goes on time after time back and forth. Before long even Dee and Dum are going to get wise when he's hundreds of miles from his last reported position.

Yes, it would become quite cumbersome, wouldn't it?

robh2 · May 15, 2008

Maybe it is just a misunderstanding and he is just an independent o/o and he has agreements to haul overflow for the 2 carriers. Making the carriers brokers in this case.

Robert

TeamCaffee · May 15, 2008

QualComm is the kicker in this situation. Both companies track you using the qualcomm and I would think if your last known location is in Kansas City and when the company next sees you in Dayton OH there would be a problem.

paid vacationer · May 15, 2008

Hmmmm... Here's my question. Say you're an O/O w/ authority, your own ins, IFTA and all. If u haul a load for a company that uses QC, would that company require a QC on your truck ??

greg334 · May 15, 2008

paid vacationer said:
Hmmmm... Here's my question. Say you're an O/O w/ authority, your own ins, IFTA and all. If u haul a load for a company that uses QC, would that company require a QC on your truck ??

NO, they don't require a QC on your truck.

Also I find it near impossible to pull off, especially with the two logs and the fact that LEAM will question you if your truck consistently disappears and than reappears somewhere else with a limited amount of hours. They seem to like the QC system a lot where it can actually figure out patterns and spit out a report. AND QC will audit the unit(s) and find out if the thing is defective or someone is messing with it - like pulling the power.

pjjjjj · May 15, 2008

I might be off the wall here, but I'm sure I have heard of OOs refusing to have a qc on their truck, and I believe I have even read about how at least one carrier charges you for not having one, becuz of the extra time they have to spend in calling you.

With Landstar, do they really care how much you work, or is it (almost) total independence?

greg334 · May 15, 2008

pjjjjj said:
I might be off the wall here, but I'm sure I have heard of OOs refusing to have a qc on their truck, and I believe I have even read about how at least one carrier charges you for not having one, becuz of the extra time they have to spend in calling you.

With Landstar, do they really care how much you work, or is it (almost) total independence?

I am finding it is not how much you work but how much they reconcile the logs against the QC data.

geo · May 15, 2008

when i had to do a log have a hard time keep up with one log let alone two

Moot · May 15, 2008

Trip leasing was popular before deregulation. An O/O or company driver would provide proof of insurance and then sign a short term lease with a carrier or broker. The driver was required to display the carrier's signage, ICC number and to carry a copy of the lease, carriers authority and bingo cards.

Maybe the person mentioned in this post is trip leasing with these two companies.