Latest Brokers not Paying.

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kastmgmt

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goes to show how fragile and the slim margins of profits really are when a carrier/guy tries to pay a decent rate....make a couple mistakes and toss in some outside bad luck and bam....kinda like the snakes and ladders game...a roll of the dice...do you climb a ladder to the top or slide the snake to the bottom to start all over again....?

It can't be easy to own,run, and try to grow a carrier. Most likely as brohammerllc stated Demaris probably had money management issues, alongside other obstacles that come with life. Another thing (my assumption) is alot of carriers try to be the next FedEx CC, Panther, Load one, over night, they try to grow to fast.

There are a handful of small carriers/new carriers that can be successful and pay an fair rate to their contractors, but they have to pace themselves and evolve slowly.
REMEMBER THERE IS NO ELEVATOR TO SUCCESS, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE STAIRS. Charles Demaris might of had good intentions in the beginning, but good intentions don't lead you to success.
 

Turtle

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FWIW, I drew my opinion of Charles from my personal, face-to-face interactions with him. My opinion is that he's a good man, and if he owes people money he will pay it, if and when get gets the money to do so.
 

davekc

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I don't like drawing preconceived conclusions on anyone. Ok, maybe a few. lol. Maybe he will chime in as he does follow this site. Bad things happen to good people and hopefully he can turn it around.
 

blizzard2014

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I was one of Charles's first drivers back in 2009. I was always paid on time when I drove for him. He actually paid me the same day I delivered the load. I don't know what all went down with his company recently, but I do know he will make things right. He is still in business, he has not filed bankruptcy like the LRT's have done in the past. That is a good sign. Things happen in business. Even the big boys go under from time to time. Just like Arrow Trucking did. No one is immune from this. We really don't know what went down with his company, so why sit here and speculate? If he claims that he is going to pay everyone back, I believe he will do so. He can't be that bad if he still has trucks running loads for him. I hope it all works out in the end for him. He was always a good boss when I worked for him.
 

blizzard2014

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That seems to be the general theme of woe when some of these go under.... It was someone's else's fault... Really? Your company was so fragile it didn't withstand a strong breeze.... That's YOUR fault for not have a strong solid foundation to build on in the first place.... A house of cards always collapses sooner or later.

This kind of thing has happened with a lot of companies recently. Look at what happened to On Call. When I ran my company, I always paid my drivers the same day they delivered the load, and I never worked with brokers that have a bad reputation. I would have never had this kind of issue if I was still running that company. I used to work with a factoring company that had a 99 percent collection rate from brokers. They only factored brokers from the gold book. Sure I lost a lot of lad opportunities for my drivers, but you have to make economically sound business decisions when you're running a company. The best case scenario would be to have a large line of credit through the banks so that you can pay your drivers even if some of your brokers do not pay you. Then you can sick legal on them for non-payment. When you take risks bad things can happen.
 

OntarioVanMan

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This kind of thing has happened with a lot of companies recently. Look at what happened to On Call. When I ran my company, I always paid my drivers the same day they delivered the load, and I never worked with brokers that have a bad reputation. I would have never had this kind of issue if I was still running that company. I used to work with a factoring company that had a 99 percent collection rate from brokers. They only factored brokers from the gold book. Sure I lost a lot of lad opportunities for my drivers, but you have to make economically sound business decisions when you're running a company. The best case scenario would be to have a large line of credit through the banks so that you can pay your drivers even if some of your brokers do not pay you. Then you can sick legal on them for non-payment. When you take risks bad things can happen.
The beauty of the crossroads system The only thing they risk is their profit margin we the owner operators carry the invoices until we get paid ... We are the closest to having our own authority as you can pretty much get.we set our individual prices on each load according to our cost per mile as every unit has a different cost of operating.
 

davekc

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The beauty of the crossroads system The only thing they risk is their profit margin we the owner operators carry the invoices until we get paid ... We are the closest to having our own authority as you can pretty much get.we set our individual prices on each load according to our cost per mile as every unit has a different cost of operating.

When you say, "we carry the invoice", what exactly does that mean? If a customer slow pays or pays nothing, are you waiting on your money? In some circumstances, that could turn ugly very quick. Who is collecting or dealing with a unpaid invoice?
 
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OntarioVanMan

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When you say, "we carry the invoice", what exactly does that mean? If a customer slow pays or pays nothing, are you waiting on your money? In some circumstances, that could turn ugly very quick. Who is collecting or dealing with a unpaid invoice?
Murray does...Aka crossroads....
Dave with a bigger carrier one gives up some rights.... You give them proxy to bid at the company policy rates.... Here at Crossroads we O/o 's set our rate based on our cost per mile.,,.
Why should I have to be held hostage to the guys that have a bigger overhead? A higher cost per mile?

Yep it could get ugly , but hey we are businessmen and we take risks for the higher reward....
 
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xiggi

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The beauty of the crossroads system The only thing they risk is their profit margin we the owner operators carry the invoices until we get paid ... We are the closest to having our own authority as you can pretty much get.we set our individual prices on each load according to our cost per mile as every unit has a different cost of operating.
For me personally I see no beauty in such a system. You wait an extended period to get paid and have the potential of drivers competing against drivers at the same company. As far as close to your own athourity your still not finding your own loads, dealing with invoices and legalities. That's still a giant step away. I am glad some like it and it works for the as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I get paid every week....just like everyone else....I just don't know for what loads....and I am ok with that,
some won't be...I do believe that is why we are called Independent Owner Operators...to run our little business as we see fit....The other guy, no matter what the decals say, is my competition....there is no buddy, buddy system...that is what makes expediting so exciting...the adventure, the sights and sounds....
 
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Murraycroexp

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Murray does...Aka crossroads....
Dave with a bigger carrier one gives up some rights.... You give them proxy to bid at the company policy rates.... Here at Crossroads we O/o 's set our rate based on our cost per mile.,,.
Why should I have to be held hostage to the guys that have a bigger overhead? A higher cost per mile?

Yep it could get ugly , but hey we are businessmen and we take risks for the higher reward....

The only risk you have as the driver with us is the delay. We eat unpaid invoices. It's only happened once, but it happened. I don't think the driver even knows it. Doesn't matter. NOT HIS PROBLEM.

Matter of fact, that one was paid too. We paid the driver and just spent another month working on and getting paid. Like Mickey Knuckles, collected cash in a bank parking lot. LOL!!
 
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Murraycroexp

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For me personally I see no beauty in such a system. You wait an extended period to get paid and have the potential of drivers competing against drivers at the same company. As far as close to your own athourity your still not finding your own loads, dealing with invoices and legalities. That's still a giant step away. I am glad some like it and it works for the as they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

VERY TRUE!! We are NOT for many and many are NOT for us. We aren't interested in just anyone. Trust me, we get hit up EVERY week. EVERY. We're not adding right now but we're almost all recruit by TRUSTED referral anyway.
So don't love up to ME. Better get some trusting contractors to believe they would vouch for your arse. These gentlemen (and lady) are all professionals, in their own way. But none of them want to bring Crossroads a piece of crap driver. And if THEY don't vouch for you, sorry, no need in applying.
 
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Murraycroexp

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I get paid every week....just like everyone else....I just don't know for what loads....and I am ok with that,
some won't be...I do believe that is why we are called Independent Owner Operators...to run our little business as we see fit....The other guy, no matter what the decals say, is my competition....there is no buddy, buddy system...that is what makes expediting so exciting...the adventure, the sights and sounds....

Don't make it sound like you don't get a settlement with pay details. LOL!!!

YOU may not know buy Juju does!!! :D
 

davekc

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Murray does...Aka crossroads....
Dave with a bigger carrier one gives up some rights.... You give them proxy to bid at the company policy rates.... Here at Crossroads we O/o 's set our rate based on our cost per mile.,,.
Why should I have to be held hostage to the guys that have a bigger overhead? A higher cost per mile?

Yep it could get ugly , but hey we are businessmen and we take risks for the higher reward....

We determine as like other carriers whether we run something or not and for how much. Not seeing a difference per se. As for being competitive, the large company can generally be as competitive just because of their volume. Have to remember that many of the small carriers live and die on the success of the larger ones.
 

Murraycroexp

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We determine as like other carriers whether we run something or not and for how much. Not seeing a difference per se. As for being competitive, the large company can generally be as competitive just because of their volume. Have to remember that many of the small carriers live and die on the success of the larger ones.

And the success of 201 large, medium & smaller ones in our case.
 
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