Landstar info please

zorry

Veteran Expediter
C'mon Phil, you go on the board on Monday and as a fully credentialed team you run 2300 miles or so by Fri.

I guess if you want to say you're busy, fine. Maybe now that you're part time you are busy. Busy as you want to be.

When you were at a former carrier ,making a living off the truck, we'd be hearing crocodile tears over a week like that.
 

zorry

Veteran Expediter
In regards to the relaxed schedule, it can work both ways. We recently loaded EC to Denver. Preplanned Denver to Ca.
We kept up that grueling 45 mph schedule all week, delivering early on Fri morn. Very satisfied, we were mentally prepared for a weekend in sunny Ca.
I guess maintaing that grueling schedule paid off as by our original eta we were reloaded with an excellent load for Mon am back east. Our 100% on time record made it easy for the company to feel good about predispatching us for a Monday pick-up.

When I'm ready to be more leisurely than 45 mph I'll probably be in a nursing home.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
C'mon Phil, you go on the board on Monday and as a fully credentialed team you run 2300 miles or so by Fri.

I guess if you want to say you're busy, fine. Maybe now that you're part time you are busy. Busy as you want to be.

When you were at a former carrier ,making a living off the truck, we'd be hearing crocodile tears over a week like that.

The key words are "busy as you want to be." Add the fact that we made more money in that week's loads than we typically made in a "busy" week at our former carrier. That has become the norm. We run a load or two a week now and make more money than we did before. If we were not developing a new business and trucking was all we had to do, we'd be running harder and making more.

Say what you want. Landstar is working out very well for us, financially, and in other ways too. We took an extended winter vacation in 2012 (Jan, Feb, part of March), were home in June, Sept. and the last three weeks of December, and drove a bit over 100,000 miles. Revenue per mile for the year (odometer start to odometer end - every mile driven for every reason) was $1.93.

And we did it all in a paid-for truck that is older so the insurance rates are lower. Repair costs were higher than with a new truck, new clutch plus a $1,000 generator repair were the big ones, all else was routine.

We made good money at our former carrier but left when things changed. We are making better money and enjoying a better quality of life now, and enjoying a fantastically-better relationship with dispatch (agents who actually respect contractors and work with us as business people) and our carrier.

Does that mean you or anyone else should sign on with Landstar? Absolutely not! I have not and never will suggest that someone should join Landstar. Landstar is different in many ways from most other carriers and just because you do well at another carrier, it does not follow that you will do well at Landstar. We do well in the Landstar system, but not everyone does.

Because Landstar is different, people often make the mistake Zorry makes; that is, comparing apples to oranges while thinking you are comparing apples to apples. We had a great week this week but by using traditional-carrier run count and miles thinking, Zorry incorrectly concluded that we had a week that was less than great.

Even the word "great" is different in our business now. At our old carrier, a "great" week involved miles driven, runs completed, money made and one-load-at-time thinking. That's part of the story at Landstar but there is more to it.

We did very well this week, financially, but the best part was that the agent who dispatched us on back-to-back loads was a new agent to us. We have never done business with him before but he is loving us now. When you make friends with someone who remembers your name and can keep you running in the western states, that's great too.
 
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bubblehead

Veteran Expediter
Let me comment on one of the features that makes Landstar different and more pleasant. It does not happen all the time but it happens every now and again that we have a great deal of flexibility on how and when we pick up and/or deliver the load. This is with the same customers (or same kinds of customers) and same freight (or same kinds of freight) that we used to serve when with our former carrier.

With Landstar, the agent wants to cover the load. With our former carrier, dispatch wanted to cover the load too, but as soon as it was dispatched, it became an emergency, whether the freight was true emergency freight or not.

The Seattle run mentioned above is an example. While we could get the freight there on Thursday, agent only cared that it got there by Friday. The time was ours to use as we wished. With our former carrier, the computer would have had us drive straight through, require that we check in and check out every time we stopped, and accuse us of running late if we fell behind its arbitrary schedule, even if we were a full day ahead of the load.

There is true emergency freight, and there are false, artificial, computer-generated emergencies. It is nice to have left the latter behind.

So why did it take you 6+- years to decide the other Carrier's system is so flawed/undersirable?
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
In regards to the relaxed schedule, it can work both ways.

In our case, a 45 mph schedule and extended winter vacation does not mean we are not working. The three weeks we spent at home in December were spent in training for our new business and in deep study of the materials given there. Time out of service on the road, or worked in between preplaned trips is similarly spent.

Live your life as you wish Zorry, I have never suggested you do anything else. I will suggest that you might enjoy your life a tad more if you were less focused on mine.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
So why did it take you 6+- years to decide the other Carrier's system is so flawed/undersirable?

As I said, we did well at our former carrier until things changed. When things changed, that's the point where it became flawed and undesirable. Someone asked me just yesterday if I wished we had moved to Landstar sooner. I said no. What I wish is that our former carrier had not changed. We loved it there for six years. But once things changed for the worse, we left. The reason we did not discover Landstar sooner was that our former carrier gave us no reason to look around (beyond cursory research for Plan B purposes).
 
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bubblehead

Veteran Expediter
As I said, we did well at our former carrier until things changed. When things changed, that's the point where it became flawed and undesirable. Someone asked me just yesterday if I wished we had moved to Landstar sooner. I said no. What I wish is that our former carrier had not changed. We loved it there for six years. But once things changed for the worse, we left. The reason we did not discover Landstar sooner was that our former carrier gave us no reason to look around.

The dispatch issues you noted in your post hadn't changed during that time...so it was tolerable until?
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
The dispatch issues you noted in your post hadn't changed during that time...so it was tolerable until?

It was tolerable until it became fundamentally unfair. And I like your use of the word "tolerable." There was a lot of unecessary beeps that we did not appreciate but put up with anyway, because taken as a whole, the carrier choice was the right one.

One of the things that I enjoyed there, and have stated many times here in the Open Forum, was that you were just a number at that carrier. That was fine as long as all the numbers were being fairly treated. In fact, it was more than fine. It was great that the same dispatch system applied to everyone. Yes it had its flaws and yes it was even strange in ways that the computer made it, but it was fair; until it was not.

When preferential dispatch was introduced (without the courtesy of notifying the fleet) and resulted in us being passed over so freight that we used to haul could go on other trucks, that's when the decision to leave was made. The decision was supported by the concurrent decline we saw in our gross revenue and profit margin on loads being offered. It did not take long to decide to leave after the financial indicators told their story.
 
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zorry

Veteran Expediter
Phil, I'm not really focused on your life.

I focus somewhat on the way you like to manipulate facts.

I mention that LEO isn't any busier than any other carrier and you have to jump in that you haven't got the memo.

Since so many read here looking for facts I took your post to lean towards being misleading.

Busy as you want to be fits. Implying that LEA is busy may be misleading.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Phil, I'm not really focused on your life.

I focus somewhat on the way you like to manipulate facts.

What facts are manipulated? None that I know of. Specifics?

People reading the Open Forum in search of facts have found me to be a consistently reliable source for the same, because manipulating facts is not something I do.
 
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Mailer

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Intermission.....I'll take a double cheeseburger, dr. Pepper and a good joke, lol :)
 

TruckingSurv

Seasoned Expediter
Say what you want. Landstar is working out very well for us, financially, and in other ways too. We took an extended winter vacation in 2012 (Jan, Feb, part of March), were home in June, Sept. and the last three weeks of December, and drove a bit over 100,000 miles. Revenue per mile for the year (odometer start to odometer end - every mile driven for every reason) was $1.93.

$193K revenue for 100K miles in about seven months of driving? Sounds decent to me, especially with a paid for truck, that is on a $330K / year pace. (Assumption on my part that this was accomplished in around seven months based on information provided AND you could maintain the pace for 12 months.)

I find this thread to be very informative, of course I realize you have 10 years of experience, BUT for a newbie, threads such as this are very helpful and yes, I am taking it all in with a grain of salt!

TS
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
$193K revenue for 100K miles in about seven months of driving? Sounds decent to me, especially with a paid for truck, that is on a $330K / year pace. (Assumption on my part that this was accomplished in around seven months based on information provided AND you could maintain the pace for 12 months.)

I find this thread to be very informative, of course I realize you have 10 years of experience, BUT for a newbie, threads such as this are very helpful and yes, I am taking it all in with a grain of salt!

Our numbers are what they are, and there is no need for a grain of salt with them. That's exactly what we did in 2012. But I know of no Landstar Express America BCO that grosses over $300,000 a year and I want to be quick to point out that I was not the one that mentioned the number. Our numbers were generated with some periods of heavy activity and such a pace is not sustainable for months on end.

Our numbers were also boosted by some unbelievably high-paying runs that may or may not reoccur in subsequent months or years.

Also note that we are networked with a large number of agents, several times larger than what most Landstar BCO's network with. Landstar is a company where it pays to have marketing and networking skills, and such skills I happen to have. It took time to build this network and it takes effort to sustain it.
 
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TruckingSurv

Seasoned Expediter
Phil, what I meant by grain of salt is this; "results may not be representative of all BCO's", I believe your numbers, wasn't questioning that, however in your further explanation you have clarified that results may not be typical. Nonetheless, your numbers do show what can be done with hard work and maybe a bit of luck with some good runs.


From everything I have read, you and Diane did well at your former carrier and are doing well at your current one, that is likely in large part because you are good business people first that just happen to be running an expediting truck, I am equally sure that you will be good business people in the fitness business too, point is good business is good business no matter the business and your openness in sharing your experiences is very much appreciated by this newbie. While I have no illusions of doing as well as you have until I have some experience, it is good to read what can be done, a breath of fresh air amongst lots of doom and gloom.


TS
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
From everything I have read, you and Diane did well at your former carrier and are doing well at your current one, that is likely in large part because you are good business people first that just happen to be running an expediting truck, ....

Thank you, TruckingSurv. Since you seem open to it, let me share a way to think about Landstar that is not commonly expressed.

Some folks like to compare Landstar to their centralized-dispatch carrier and say Landstar is different because dispatch is decentralized. That's true, but what does that tell you really about how to succeed at Landstar?

Some folks like to compare Landstar to working with brokers because you get freight from agents and off load boards. That's also true, but, again, what does that tell you really about how to succeed at Landstar?

Some folks like to follow the lead of Landstar BCO's who say that you succeed at Landstar by getting in good with the agents who dispatch your freight, and you do that best by doing your job well when they put you on a load and interacting with them in a professional manner. That's also true but what does that tell you really about how to succeed at Landstar?

Many people hear the above truths and stop thinking there. They nod in agreement about decentralized dispatch, they sorta get it that a Landstar agent is sorta like a broker, and they do their job well, as they understand "well." With that thinking, they achieve a certain level of success.

But to fully exploit the Landstar advantage, you need to think deeper. You need to stop thinking that you know what Landstar is, and instead open your mind and look at Landstar as if you have never seen anything like it before. Set aside what you think you know about Landstar and pretend that you know nothing about it at all. Set aside the skills and experience that got you this far, and think instead about the new things you must learn and new skills you must develop to fully exploit the Landstar opportunity.

To that end, ask yourself: In what ways exactly is decentralized dispatch different? In what ways exactly are Landstar agents the same as and different from brokers? In what ways exactly does a BCO perform well and act professionally? And ask, where are the best places to go to learn the answers to these questions, and who are the best people to learn them from?

Diane and I learned (and continue to learn) about agents by interacting with agents directly and asking them what, in their eyes, is a good BCO? We also asked (and continue to ask) them a host of other questions about how they experience Landstar and run their independent agencies. We learned about the carrier by interacting directly with people at headquarters and asking more questions, especially about how the compensation system works for us, agents and the carrier.

We learned, importantly, that Landstar agents are not like brokers in they do not have the freedom to charge the customer a certain price and then find a driver to haul the freight at the lowest possible price. The Landstar system says that whatever price the agent books the load at, the BCO gets 62 percent (plus fuel surcharge and accessorials) of that price and the carrier gets a fixed percentage cut too.

As we grew in company knowledge, we began to appreciate the profound difference that Landstar presents. As BCO's, we get to interact directly with the people who dispatch the freight we haul, and these free-thinking, self-employed, entrepreneurial people are some of the best in the business. Many of them are college educated and have been in the business not for years but decades. They are highly skilled sales people, deeply networked in the logistics industry, and there are hundreds if not thousands of them in the Landstar system.

Finding ourselves in such an environment, we explored (and continue to explore) it deeply and developed processes suited to our our strengths. If we were to stay in the business longer, we would continue to explore the opportunity because there is so much more to learn and develop. You talk about our experience. We feel very new at this carrier.

The conventional wisdom about Landstar is easily learned and frequently passed on to others by Landstar BCO's. You can run well by relying on this conventional wisdom, and you can run very well by thinking deeper about the system you are in, what you want to accomplish and how you want to accomplish it.

Centralized-dispatch carriers, because of their structure, cannot provide an opportunity that is as broad and deep as the Landstar opportunity is; and the experience one develops at a centralized-dispatch carrier will carry you only so far at Landstar. What you do beyond that is very much up to you.
 
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zorry

Veteran Expediter
People reading the Open Forum in search of facts have found me to be a consistently reliable source for the same, because manipulating facts is not something I do.

Now that I've stopped laughing......

If that's what you believe Phil, we'll leave it at that and move on.
 

moose

Veteran Expediter
Centralized-dispatch carriers, because of their structure, cannot provide an opportunity that is as broad and deep as the Landstar opportunity is; .
One needs to be a complete out of touch ignorant to believe that statement.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
One needs to be a complete out of touch ignorant to believe that statement.

I would say Landstar does get you a little deeper into the industry. It puts more responsibility on your shoulders and gives you a little more freedom. There are more business skills you need to develop and hone to be successful.

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moose

Veteran Expediter
What the heck are you guys talking about .?
Phil. i really don't understand what it is you pride your self with for working for them?
LEA ? maybe, don't know.
but the Landstar ?
com'on,
what ?
-Safety ?, out of the 630 thousand carriers out there, Landstar safety certainly won't shine. it's good, but so are many others. why work for a carrier that will terminate a contractor for a seat-belt violation? or a none fault incident? why work for a carrier that get's his safety records by terminating contractors ?.dose your safety director even know you? by face? would he care or run for the wall for you? will your carrier file a dataQ for you?, provide you with legal services?, send an expert to a scene of an accident? follow up on work related injury suit? here's a hint, large carriers, a size of a LandStar are too large to care. all of them.
-pay ?, your above mentioned 62% is WELL below industry standards{i for one get 90%!}. and yes, the 1.93$ is also well below standards, again, maybe for LEA, but i can gauren-dern promises that what they pay for flats is well below standards too. it's loughble @ times.
-the needs for marketing skills ?, networking ?, are you for real ?, do you even meet those agents?
do you even return to same costumer in some sort of rhythm?, do you even consistently serve same costumers?, or talk to the same person over the phone? do they even know you? will they even care if you get ill?,
-working with partners that makes O/O compete between themselves?, having a dispatch system that it takes months, if not years {your own words} to master?
why worry about things like 'back-haul', 'pay per mile', 'deadhead', 'freight lines', when it can be as simple as, here's your next load.
you see?, bashing out an entire industry for central dispatch can go both ways. believe it or not, millions of O/O out here are doing just fine, and even way better, using central dispatch.
it works for most. the LandStar BCO's ARE the exemption, they are the minority, and centrally don't do better nor are been treated better, then others.
i can go on and on...
it's a myth.
 
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