Judge voids Wisc. law

[witness23]

Apprears to be and being biased, are two different things. The Republicans violated the open meetings law, plain and simple. Judge Sumi made the mistake of making her position known before she issued her ruling. Now the Supreme Court will have to decide.

And to add to this. This is the sort of "back room deals" that so many here in the Soapbox have whined about in the past.

 

[Ragman]

There is an attempt but not likely it will succeed. We shall see

The problem is if you remove Snyder, then what? Jenny ran the state into the ground. That's why she's gone.

Major changes need made. Who is going to do it? Who has the guts to stand up and say enough is enough? Don't know, but don't lie to us. Tell us how you plan to fix the problem.

Business is pulling out, not many new ones are coming in. Young people are leaving the state for greener pastures. This is an old, old problem

There is no money left and the unions want raises.True, we are broke, but the workers already agreed to wage concesions. Nobody is asking for more. I follow the situation with the schools, and I don't see any of the administrators taking cuts. I also don't see any plans to consolidate any of the many un-necessary over lapping districts. There are 3-4 districts in the Detroit suburbs that service no purpuse ie: Clarenceville, L'anse Cruise just to name a couple.

Thank you for letting me vent.

 

[layoutshooter]

I am not familiar with the goings' on in Michigan. I can only speak for Wisconsin and Ohio since they are very similar, except, Walker left police and fire out of his bill and Kasich included them in his.

Who, what, where and when have unions asked for raises? Maybe in Michigan but I find that hard to believe, but this is definately not the case in Ohio. Where have they asked for raises?

Several teachers unions. They are also fighting cuts in everything.

You cannot continue to pay when revenue is down. Their wages must follow the revenue stream. The States need to pare back what they do.

All levels of government need to remember who they work for and who's money they are playing with.

There is no right to others money. If a parent or group of parents decide to hire a teacher it it their right to tell that teacher what they are going to be paid and what, if any, benefits will be provided and how much that teacher is going to contribute for that benefit. After all, that parent earned that money, it is rightfully theirs. It is their child, they have an absolute right to decide everything that involves their children and money. Governments and unions have no standing.

 

[Ragman]

Several teachers unions. They are also fighting cuts in everything.

You cannot continue to pay when revenue is down. Their wages must follow the revenue stream. The States need to pare back what they do.

All levels of government need to remember who they work for and who's money they are playing with.

There is no right to others money. If a parent or group of parents decide to hire a teacher it it their right to tell that teacher what they are going to be paid and what, if any, benefits will be provided and how much that teacher is going to contribute for that benefit. After all, that parent earned that money, it is rightfully theirs. It is their child, they have an absolute right to decide everything that involves their children and money. Governments and unions have no standing.

I agree to everything you said on principle, However, this also applies to all levels of government and all levels of school districts from superintendents on down.

It may be time for a part time legislature ( we know this won't happen).

 

[layoutshooter]

I agree to everything you said on principle, However, this also applies to all levels of government and all levels of school districts from superintendents on down.

Without a doubt. Public employees, and elected officials, have no right to strike. They are servants of the people. Nothing more.

The idea of government from the top down needs to go away. This Nation was set up with the idea that the power and control resides with the people, not the government. We must return to it.

 

[layoutshooter]

Thank you for letting me vent.

LOL!! Why would I not let you vent? Vent away!!

I got another strange idea, how about CUTTING all taxes, requiring welfare people to EARN what is given to them and cutting most government programs and services.

 

[Ragman]

Without a doubt. Public employees, and elected officials, have no right to strike. They are servants of the people. Nothing more.

The idea of government from the top down needs to go away. This Nation was set up with the idea that the power and control resides with the people, not the government. We must return to it.

Maybe it is just time to hunker before greg chimes in with a 9 paragraph disertation on this subject.

 

[layoutshooter]

Maybe it is just time to hunker.

IF we could hunker with enough people we could solve most problems.

There would only be real men there, NO LiBeRaLs. LiBeRaLs are too weak kneed and lily livered to hunker!!

 

[Ragman]

IF we could hunker with enough people we could solve most problems.

There would only be real men there, NO LiBeRaLs. LiBeRaLs are too weak kneed and lily livered to hunker!!

 

[layoutshooter]

"And to add to this. This is the sort of "back room deals" that so many here in the Soapbox have whined about in the past."



Back room deals? What back room "deals"? Can you prove that they exist?

If you don't like it here, why do you bother? Makes no sense to me.

 

[chefdennis]

A backroom deal?? Who did the repubs make a deal with?? The dems knew the vote was coming and that they couldn't win..so what do they do? They as a group leave the state for 3 weeks...Thet were censured by the senate majority leader as being in contempt of the rules of the senate. Then gov then change the bill from a spending bill that allowed a vote without the dems at all, even if they had been in the state to vote...

No deal was made with anyone, the whole thing was done in the "light of day" with the whole country watching....

Then the dems come back the weekend after the vote and the bill passing and being signed whining they didn't get enough notice of the "open meeting"...please...they left the state and left their civic duty...screw'em and their union backers...and the teachers too..

And before it goes there, look back over the yrs i have posted here, i was raised in a union family, my dad held union elected positions for most of his working life...and I also have several teachers in the family...unions are not what they once were, they are now nothing more then a crutch for the "entitlement crowd"....

And I learned to "Hunker" as I young boy, on a camping trip to "Hunker Pa."...

 

[layoutshooter]

And to add to this. This is the sort of "back room deals" that so many here in the Soapbox have whined about in the past.

I am sorry, did I misunderstand something here? Were you talking about government "back room" deals or soapbox "back room" deals?

I am thinking I am reading your post wrong.

 

[witness23]

Several teachers unions. They are also fighting cuts in everything.

Where?

Since the thread was started about Wisconsin, try starting there.

Ohio and Michigan have been thrown into the fold because they are going through similar situations. Where have the teacher unions in Ohio or Michigan asked for raises?

 

[layoutshooter]

Where?

Since the thread was started about Wisconsin, try starting there.

Ohio and Michigan have been thrown into the fold because they are going through similar situations. Where have the teacher unions in Ohio or Michigan asked for raises?

Very few State are not in this situation. More later, got some real life stuff I have to deal with, you know, truck stuff. Well, maybe you don't know. Have to do it anyway.

 

[witness23]

"And to add to this. This is the sort of "back room deals" that so many here in the Soapbox have whined about in the past."



Back room deals? What back room "deals"? Can you prove that they exist?

If you don't like it here, why do you bother? Makes no sense to me.

What are you talking about?

What is that, some sort of "freudian slip" you just made?

 

[witness23]

I am sorry, did I misunderstand something here? Were you talking about government "back room" deals or soapbox "back room" deals?

I am thinking I am reading your post wrong.

Why on God's green earth would I be talking about "back room deals" within the Soapbox? Are these types of practices going on? hmmmmm....interesting.

 

[Ragman]

Where?

Where have the teacher unions in Ohio or Michigan asked for raises?

They haven't. They all agreed to wage concessions.

 

[jaminjim]

They haven't. They all agreed to wage concessions.

All? Have a link?

 

[witness23]

They haven't. They all agreed to wage concessions.

Exactly. I don't know of any teacher unions asking for raises right now. They are taking pay cuts and paying more for health and pension benifits. The latter, health and pension benefits, I think they should pay more of a share of.

 

[Ragman]

Exactly. I don't know of any teacher unions asking for raises right now. They are taking pay cuts and paying more for health and pension benifits. The latter, health and pension benefits, I think they should pay more of a share of.

I have no problem with this.

My wife now make about 15% less and we pay close to 20% of the premium for health benifits.

I want to see the administrators do the same.