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chefdennis

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I believe that if one wants to do the research ( i ain't goin to, cause I really don't care) I think you will find the the LIMA Oh school board wanted to "FREEZE" wages for teachers while the admin took wage cuts, and the union rejected that contract twice and said they were ok with teacher layoffs as long as the teachers that were still employed got a wage increase....

This is the same thing the Toledo Patrolmens union leaders said a yr or so back, "lay people off before you cut or freeze wages"...so much for union brotherhood....:rolleyes:
 
witness23

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layoutshooter said:
"And to add to this. This is the sort of "back room deals" that so many here in the Soapbox have whined about in the past."



Back room deals? What back room "deals"? Can you prove that they exist?

If you don't like it here, why do you bother? Makes no sense to me.
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What an odd suspicious comment that was.
 
Ragman

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chefdennis said:
I believe that if one wants to do the research ( i ain't goin to, cause I really don't care) I think you will find the the LIMA Oh school board wanted to "FREEZE" wages for teachers while the admin took wage cuts, and the union rejected that contract twice and said they were ok with teacher layoffs as long as the teachers that were still employed got a wage increase....
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That would be dumb. What a bunch of bean heads (pun intended)
This is the same thing the Toledo Patrolmens union leaders said a yr or so back, "lay people off before you cut or freeze wages"...so much for union brotherhood....:rolleyes:
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Too many Tony Packo Pickles and Peppers can cause such thinking. :eek:
 
jaminjim

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Originally Posted by Ragman
I have no problem with this.

My wife now make about 15% less and we pay close to 20% of the premium for health benifits.

I want to see the administrators do the same.
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Just wondering how many union bosses and union administrators have taken pay cuts.
 
greg334

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Ragman said:
Maybe it is just time to hunker before greg chimes in with a 9 paragraph disertation on this subject. :D:p
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No 9 paragraph dissertation but I will say that teachers have seen better wages in the last 15 years and gone is the myth that they are under paid. They should have been paying for their benefit equal to those who pay their wages and nothing more. IF your wife has a 15% pay cut and a 20% benefit cost increase, I have to ask is her pay what she would be getting in 1990?

I don't agree with you on the administrators, I don't want to see them take any pay cut or benefit changes - I want to see them gone out of the system. The savings can be applied to both the school and teachers at the same time.
 
cheri1122

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chefdennis said:
I believe that if one wants to do the research ( i ain't goin to, cause I really don't care) I think you will find the the LIMA Oh school board wanted to "FREEZE" wages for teachers while the admin took wage cuts, and the union rejected that contract twice and said they were ok with teacher layoffs as long as the teachers that were still employed got a wage increase....
I think most of us are well aware of your position regarding accuracy and facts, so we'll 'consider the source' on that story.

This is the same thing the Toledo Patrolmens union leaders said a yr or so back, "lay people off before you cut or freeze wages"...so much for union brotherhood....:rolleyes:

I can think of 2 reasons why that might have been:
Because a laid off LEO has an excellent chance of finding another job that pays as well as the one lost. [Unlike, say, a factory worker] So why penalize every other member by cutting wages?
And: the union may have wanted the situation made as public as possible - layoffs would accomplish that better than wage cuts.
The Wisconsin protests showed that an awful lot of people don't agree with solving every budget problem by taking from those at the bottom of the payscale, because the problems were created by those at the top.
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chefdennis

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Lima teachers union twice reject contract offers while admin takes a pay cut:

Meanwhile, in Lima, the district is laying off workers — teachers, custodians, secretaries, you name it — as it tries to shave $3.8 million from its budget. Administrators already have taken a 2 percent pay cut that will be effective this summer
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Millions offered, but Lima teachers prefer cuts - Ron's Rants - LimaOhio.com

Lima teachers reject contract, district, board, members - Local News - LimaOhio.com

Another no vote from Lima teachers, teachers, offer, district - Local News - LimaOhio.com

But they finally after almost 3 months did agree to a contract...

Lima teachers reach tentative deal, again - Local News - LimaOhio.com
 
cheri1122

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Still not enough info to make an informed opinion. [And the blog linked, "Ron's Rants"? Is exactly that.]
So the administrators took a 2% pay cut - not real helpful, if their salaries were already 10 times what teachers make. Also, what concessions have the teachers already made, in previous years? [The budget problems didn't start this year, or last year, either].
The details may be correct, but not complete, which is a time honored way to slant a story one way or the other. Too many folks don't think to ask what's missing from the account, and are willing to believe it's the whole story.
 
chefdennis

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LOL, yea we all know that the unions are honest and forth coming with the whole story and truthful details......:rolleyes:

Oh and the blog and the blogger, well he is an employee of the newspaper, and is also a AP award winning writer both for his newpaper articles and his blogging FOR the newspaper...Now I personally don't put much stake in the AP, but most liberals and the left have more faith and trust in the MSM then me....
 
chefdennis

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Ragman wrote:

She's not a teacher. She's called a para-educator. She works in Special-Ed with severely mentaly handycaped students.
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Rag!!! I don't know her, but I know the type!! I dated a woman for about a yr that worked with "mentally handicapped kids"...that woman was a saint and could put up with more "stuff" then anyone I had known before her or since her...I am sure your wife has to be the same way (people in that profession seem to be alot alike)...you are a lucky guy!!!
 
Ragman

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chefdennis said:
Ragman wrote:



Rag!!! I don't know her, but I know the type!! I dated a woman for about a yr that worked with "mentally handicapped kids"...that woman was a saint and could put up with more "stuff" then anyone I had known before her or since her...I am sure your wife has to be the same way (people in that profession seem to be alot alike)...you are a lucky guy!!!
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Thank you. She is an angel. She is my best friend and the love of my life. I worship the ground she walks on. (All true).
 
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