Joplin, A Quick Story...

[paullud]

No, certainly not intelligent, nor would deductive reasoning be the term. The term is "stereotyping", or more accurately, "prejudicial stereotyping". Stereotyping is when you create a set of inaccurate, simplistic generalizations about a group that allows one to categorize them and treat them accordingly. In this case, prejudicial because of the abject disdain you show against an entire class of people because you think they are lazy, are on government assistance and like it, and you are lumping a very large group of people into the same category.

Well, no, race actually hadn't crossed my mind, UNTIL NOW. Using the whole "Hey! My best friend is <whatever>!" routine as somehow being proof of not being racist is pretty lame and it never works. It's like that one guy here who railed and railed about how evil Muslims are, all Muslims, and then when he got called on it we find out that his best friend for zabazaba years is a Muslim and they eat dinner together 11 nights a week and go for long moonlit walks on the beach together on Sunday afternoons.

No, I really don't think you are racist. Although I do wonder about the phrase "my black friend" instead of "my friend". You may want to watch that in the future, as well as using that as being some proof that you're not. It looks bad and conveys the wrong message, assuming that it's the wrong message. But like I said, I don't think you are racist, but I do think you are bigoted against people who are of the poor and less-fortunate ilk.

No, the limo comment really wasn't a joke. You may have thought it funny or clever, but it was a biting sardonic illustration of just how you feel about these people. The only thing missing was the <snort>.

You can bring up the robber or the child molester or whatever as having less of a value of life, and in those extremes I'd agree with you. But the tens of thousands people in New Orleans that you have all lumped together were most certainly not all robbers and child molesters. They were simply people that were trapped in a bad situation, many of no fault of their own, but simply because they were born there and cannot figure a way out of it all. Their life has value.

You say it's not about class, yet everything you post says otherwise (that's another reason "racist" never occurred to me). You say they put themselves in the position they were in, but that's patently not true for the vast majority of them. Some, sure, but not in the numbers you like to believe. Most are a product of their environment, and do not have the education or the opportunity or the ability to get out. If you think it's so easy for the poor to figure out how to get out from being poor and to start a new life, especially since both the environment and the government practically encourage it, I see a new life mission for you. You'll be famous 'round the world. But the solutions you're coming up with are just ridiculously unworkable. Just leave, walk out, OK, then what? No money, no education, no place to live. Yeah, I can see that being much better.

That's not even remotely close to what the Golden Rule means.

"...since they let everything go to heck..."

That right there is prejudicial stereotyping at it's finest. Wow, you really hate poor people, don't you? Broad, cold hatred for those who cannot live up to your standards. I'm really glad your life has been peaches and cream and you've always been able to pick yourself up and get back on your feet when things have gone wrong, but you may want to do a little introspecting on the fact that not everybody can do that. Just because they can't help themselves, or don't know how, or find it more difficult than you think it is, I don't think their life has no value.

I mentioned race because that looked like the road you were trying to take it down but instead you are just going down another wrong road thinking it is about poor people, you do realize there were people with money that stayed behind, right? They decided they were there all of their life so they weren't leaving now and then it turned into them begging the government to save them, they did it to themselves. You and Cheri are both prejudice against me and poor people because you think that I am talking about a class of people and just assumed when I said they are relying on the government that I was talking about welfare. Yes people on public assistance were involved in large numbers but people that were better off were there as well. When you call a person black it shows you are less sensitive to race than some liberal do gooder worrying about being sensitive and concerned what color a person is, I view us all as humans that are different colors. I guess you view them as African Americans and whites(notice I said white) as Caucasian Americans, right? The people of New Orleans let the city fall into a cesspool of crime and corruption either by their actions or their inaction and are responsible for the majority of the issues they had and continue to have. My life has been far from wonderful and has involved food stamps when we were growing up plus a lot of other things I can go over with you in a PM so we can end the post high jacking that is if you want to actually know me and not just jump to conclusions.

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[Turtle]

I mentioned race because that looked like the road you were trying to take it down but instead you are just going down another wrong road thinking it is about poor people, you do realize there were people with money that stayed behind, right? They decided they were there all of their life so they weren't leaving now and then it turned into them begging the government to save them, they did it to themselves.

For one, nobody really expected Katrina to be so bad. We all knew it was a powerful hurricane, but New Orleans has weathered many of those, so to have people stay behind who could otherwise leave on their own, and then regret it, shouldn't be surprising. It was predicted, actually. Two, again you're lumping everybody into the same boat, as not everyone, rich or poor, were begging the government to save them.

You and Cheri are both prejudice against me and poor people because you think that I am talking about a class of people and just assumed when I said they are relying on the government that I was talking about welfare.

Well, in order to be prejudiced, we'd have to first pre-judge you. That's why it's called prejudice. We're only going by what you write. Things like "they let everything go to heck" doesn't exactly indicate you're talking about rich people who can afford to keep things maintained. And "yes they did just sit there waiting for the government to take care of their every need otherwise they would have left the city on their own," doesn't jive, either, as you just noted. Some stayed because they'd been there all their lives and didn't think it would be that bad.

Yes people on public assistance were involved in large numbers but people that were better off were there as well.

I'm well aware of that, but they weren't ALL begging for the government to help. Some were, some weren't. You're lumping them all together.

When you call a person black it shows you are less sensitive to race than some liberal do gooder worrying about being sensitive and concerned what color a person is, I view us all as humans that are different colors.

I view all humans as humans.

I guess you view them as African Americans and whites(notice I said white) as Caucasian Americans, right?

Wrong. I don't do the concocted politically correct thing of a Continental-hyphenated-American. Nowhere else in the world are blacks referred to as African-American. Call one that in Europe or Africa and you'll get laughed at. I know several Kenyan-Americans, and German-Americans, and I've got a good friend who is a South African-American, but now she's just an American because she got her citizenship.

The people of New Orleans let the city fall into a cesspool of crime and corruption either by their actions or their inaction and are responsible for the majority of the issues they had and continue to have.

Using that logic, you must then take personal responsibility for every bad thing that occurs in your town. It's absurd. Every major city, and many minor ones, are a cesspool of crime and corruption. It's absurd to blame each and every citizen for that.

My life has been far from wonderful and has involved food stamps when we were growing up plus a lot of other things I can go over with you in a PM so we can end the post high jacking that is if you want to actually know me and not just jump to conclusions.

No need. The only conclusions I'm jumping to are the ones you put on the page.

As for the thread, the topic was a quick story, which was told. Fini.

 

[paullud]

For one, nobody really expected Katrina to be so bad. We all knew it was a powerful hurricane, but New Orleans has weathered many of those, so to have people stay behind who could otherwise leave on their own, and then regret it, shouldn't be surprising. It was predicted, actually. Two, again you're lumping everybody into the same boat, as not everyone, rich or poor, were begging the government to save them.

Well, in order to be prejudiced, we'd have to first pre-judge you. That's why it's called prejudice. We're only going by what you write. Things like "they let everything go to heck" doesn't exactly indicate you're talking about rich people who can afford to keep things maintained. And "yes they did just sit there waiting for the government to take care of their every need otherwise they would have left the city on their own," doesn't jive, either, as you just noted. Some stayed because they'd been there all their lives and didn't think it would be that bad.

I'm well aware of that, but they weren't ALL begging for the government to help. Some were, some weren't. You're lumping them all together.

I view all humans as humans.

Wrong. I don't do the concocted politically correct thing of a Continental-hyphenated-American. Nowhere else in the world are blacks referred to as African-American. Call one that in Europe or Africa and you'll get laughed at. I know several Kenyan-Americans, and German-Americans, and I've got a good friend who is a South African-American, but now she's just an American because she got her citizenship.

Using that logic, you must then take personal responsibility for every bad thing that occurs in your town. It's absurd. Every major city, and many minor ones, are a cesspool of crime and corruption. It's absurd to blame each and every citizen for that.

No need. The only conclusions I'm jumping to are the ones you put on the page.

As for the thread, the topic was a quick story, which was told. Fini.

You didn't use my words you took part of what I said and pre judged and incorrectly judged what I was talking about. I will start another thread in the soapbox later or you can PM me so there is a better understanding of what I mean.
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