Jimmy Carter Redux - Obama Leads from Behind, Middle East Implodes

[RLENT]

My 'attitude' has nothing to do with it.

You attitude has everything to do it ..... so does mine .... and everyone else's ...

I may not even get a say

You're having your say right now .... consider carefully what you are doing with it ....

it may well be over before our primary.

What the heck are you watching or reading ..... ?

Did you move recently ?

Surely you're not that disconnected from how the process works .....

You do understand that what is being portrayed in the media about how many delegates each candidate has "won" is highly inaccurate, don't you ?

It takes 1144 to secure the nomination ..... and the number of delegates contested will not even reach that number until Saturday, March 24th 2012 - when Louisiana's caucus occurs ....

And since not all delegates have been won by a single candidate at this point, it will have to go on even longer than that ....

Michigan's primary occurs on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 .... so you'll get a chance to pull the lever .... (the question, of course, is who you'll be voting against ...... since you never vote for anyone apparently .... )

In fact, the likelihood that there will be a brokered convention of sorts is looking more and more certain - which is entirely contrary to what the MSM pundits (and some on here IIRC) were telling us not all that long ago. If you'll recall, it wasn't all that long ago that Mitten's coronation was a forgone conclusion ..... now, we're starting to hear that may not be the case .......

Out of the 267 delegates that have been contested thus far, at least 106 of them are currently unpledged/unallocated:

2012 Republican Primary Delegate Allocation

My 'attitude' is not the problem

Sure it is .... your failure to see it, doesn't make it otherwise.

He cannot pull the votes needed. Has not in the past, is not now.

Neither was Frothy .... until a couple of nights ago .... and now all of a sudden things have changed in a single night .....

Wowser ....

I wouldn't expect that to last too long though (.... once the stuff on his connection to Jerry Sandusky and that other guy up in Erie comes out, he'll probably be toast ....)

When has he won anything last?

Well, I don't want to predict anything, but you may want to tune tomorrow afternoon, when the Maine Caucus results are reported ....

Beyond that, due to the way that the individual state primary contests are structured (proportional delegate allocation vs winner-take-all or some variation thereof) it is actually possible to not win a single contest (if the winning is split between a number of individuals) until some point fairly far down the road ...... and still take the nomination ....

 

[layoutshooter]

You attitude has everything to do it ..... so does mine .... and everyone else's ...


You're having your say right now .... consider carefully what you are doing with it ....


What the heck are you watching or reading ..... ?

Did you move recently ?

Surely you're not that disconnected from how the process works .....

You do understand that what is being portrayed in the media about how many delegates each candidate has "won" is highly inaccurate, don't you ?

It takes 1144 to secure the nomination ..... and the number of delegates contested will not even reach that number until Saturday, March 24th 2012 - when Louisiana's caucus occurs ....

And since not all delegates have been won by a single candidate at this point, it will have to go on even longer than that ....

Michigan's primary occurs on Tuesday, February 28, 2012 .... so you'll get a chance to pull the lever .... (the question, of course, is who you'll be voting against ...... since you never vote for anyone apparently .... )

In fact, the likelihood that there will be a brokered convention of sorts is looking more and more certain - which is entirely contrary to what the MSM pundits were telling us not all that long ago. If you'll recall, it wasn't all that long ago that Mitten's coronation was a forgone conclusion ..... now, we're starting to hear that may not be the case .......

Out of the 267 delegates that have been contested thus far, at least 106 of them are currently unpledged:

2012 Republican Primary Delegate Allocation


Sure it is .... your failure to see it, doesn't make it otherwise.


Neither was Frothy .... until a couple of nights ago .... and now all of a sudden things have changed in a single night .....

Wowser ....

I wouldn't expect that to last too long though (.... once the stuff on his connection to Jerry Sandusky and that other guy up in Erie comes out, he'll probably be toast ....)


Well, I don't want to predict anything, but you may want to tune tomorrow afternoon, when the Maine Caucus results are reported ....

Beyond that, due to the way that the individual state primary contests are structured (proportional delegate allocation vs winner-take-all or some variation thereof) it is actually possible to not win a single contest (if the winning is split between a number of individuals) until some point fairly far down the road ...... and still take the nomination ....

You and I see things differently. Only time will tell. I can tell you one thing for sure, NOTHING that I say in here will affect the outcome. Neither will anything you say. I am going to 'write in' a name, 'Nunja' as far as anyone in here is concerned. I too am tired of 'settling', SO, I will vote for a person that I think can do the job. Romney can't do it, 'Little Ricky' can't, nor Barry or Paul, as least not for me. You can vote for whom ever you like.

At least for now we can still do that.

 

[Ragman]

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[RLENT]

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Geez ..... I wish they'd get that like button thing fixed ....

 

[RLENT]

If he was a 'leader' he would not need a 'party' behind him

This comment is sort of silly on many levels ....

Fact is, he is a leader ..... and he doesn't need the party behind him (yet) ..... but it would certainly be nice if they would just get the **** out of the way .....

He has driven the dialog in the nominating process to the point that the other candidates have been forced to talk about his issues, emulate him, try to steal his positions (which is just hilarious) and follow along ....and Obama has been forced to make several moves (he's walking the edge of a knife) .... in order to try and defuse the possibility of Paul attracting the swing vote ......

He is not 'exciting' and seems unable to get his message across.

Clearly, many find that not to be the case ....

In fact, the available evidence would seem to indicate otherwise .... particularly if you look at the enthusiasm of his supporters .....

Too bad. Right now he is having trouble attracting flies.

It's these kind of snarky little comments that would seem to give away the true intent away ....

Like I said previously: latest Reuters/Ipsos National Poll says otherwise:

Romney: 29%
Paul: 21%
Gingrich: 19%
Santorum: 18%

There were those on here that said that Dr. Paul would never get more than 8% to 10% ....

Clearly, they were wrong ... as evidenced by both the poll above and the results of several contests thus far ....

If he takes Maine tomorrow, look for these folks to be crapping their drawers ....

 

[layoutshooter]

This comment is sort of silly on many levels ....

Fact is, he is a leader ..... and he doesn't need the party behind him (yet) ..... but it would certainly be nice if they would just get the **** out of the way .....

He has driven the dialog in the nominating process to the point that the other candidates have been forced to talk about his issues, emulate him, try to steal his positions (which is just hilarious) and follow along ....and Obama has been forced to make several moves (he's walking the edge of a knife) .... in order to try and defuse the possibility of Paul attracting the swing vote ......


Clearly, many find that not to be the case ....

In fact, the available evidence would seem to indicate otherwise .... particularly if you look at the enthusiasm of his supporters .....

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It's these kind of snarky little comments that would seem to give away the true intent away ....

Like I said previously: latest Reuters/Ipsos National Poll says otherwise:

Romney: 29%
Paul: 21%
Gingrich: 19%
Santorum: 18%

There were those on here that said that Dr. Paul would never get more than 8% to 10% ....

Clearly, they were wrong ... as evidenced by both the poll above and the results of several contests thus far ....

If he takes Maine tomorrow, look for these folks to be crapping their drawers ....

If he takes Maine it will change little. This has already been decided by those who rule.

You think he is a 'leader', good for you. I don't. Your opinion is no more valid than mine. You vote on based on yours, I on mine. Freedom allows for that.

Your life experience is not mine, nor mine yours. That is what we base our opinions on, our own lives. You cannot change my mind, nor I yours.

That is how it is.

 

[RLENT]

You and I see things differently.

Yup, we do.

Only time will tell.

True dat.

I can tell you one thing for sure, NOTHING that I say in here will affect the outcome. Neither will anything you say.

Sorry, don't buy that for a minute (for either better or worse)

“The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.” ― Albert Einstein​

I am going to 'write in' a name, 'Nunja' as far as anyone in here is concerned. I too am tired of 'settling', SO, I will vote for a person that I think can do the job. Romney can't do it, 'Little Ricky' can't, nor Barry or Paul, as least not for me.

That is your prerogative and right .... I certainly understand (and respect) the reason for doing it.

I may well be faced with the same situation myself ..... eventually.

You can vote for whom ever you like. At least for now we can still do that.

Yup.

 

[layoutshooter]

Yup, we do.


True dat.


Sorry, don't buy that for a minute (for either better or worse)

“The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.” ― Albert Einstein​

That is your prerogative and right .... I certainly understand (and respect) the reason for doing it.

I may well be faced with the same situation myself ..... eventually.


Yup.

MY view of the world was not created by my thinking, but by my observation of it.

Not to worry, neither of us is an 'Einstein'. I HATE MATH!!

 

[RLENT]

If he takes Maine it will change little.

Actually, the most important thing out of it may be not so much that Paul wins .... but that it may drive the wooden stake all the way thru the heart of the "inevitability" of Romney ....

This has already been decided by those who rule.

I dunno if that would be a viewpoint that I would be too eager to adopt ...... since it sounds to me an awful lot like something a slave would say .....

(Jus' sayin')

You think he is a 'leader', good for you. I don't. Your opinion is no more valid than mine. You vote on based on yours, I on mine. Freedom allows for that.

Yup, it does.

Your life experience is not mine, nor mine yours. That is what we base our opinions on, our own lives. You cannot change my mind, nor I yours.

Agreed - one can never change" another's mind for them ..... at best, all one can do is invite them to have a look and make up their own mind ....

That is how it is.

Indeed.

 

[layoutshooter]

Actually, the most important thing out of it may be not so much that Paul wins .... but that it may drive the wooden stake all the way thru the heart of the "inevitability" of Romney ....


I dunno if that would be a viewpoint that I would be too eager to adopt ...... since it sounds to me an awful lot like something a slave would say .....

(Jus' sayin')


Yup, it does.


Agreed - one can never change" another's mind for them ..... at best, all one can do is invite them to have a look and make up their own mind ....


Indeed.

Slaves are what they want. Just observing.

What I see is a ruling class of 'elitists' who, at best, look at us as pets to be cared for. At worst, someone in the way who needs removed.

 

[RLENT]

MY view of the world was not created by my thinking, but by my observation of it.

Mine is created by both:

1st - Observe

2nd - Conclude

Not to worry, neither of us is an 'Einstein'.

LOL ....

I HATE MATH!!

I hated it ... before I learned to love it ....

(Although I do have to say that it is a love that depends on me keeping a safe distance away)

 

[RLENT]

Slaves are what they want. Just observing.

A lot of truth in that ....

What I see is a ruling class of 'elitists' who, at best, look at us as pets to be cared for. At worst, someone in the way who needs removed.

In this respect our views are quite similar ....

 

[layoutshooter]

Mine is created by both:

1st - Observe

2nd - Conclude


LOL ....


I hated it ... before I learned to love it ....

(Although I do have to say that it is a love that depends on me keeping a safe distance away)

My vote is based on my conclusions based on my observations. My observations are far different from yours, and yours, from mine.

Math is a plot to enslave those who count on it.

 

[layoutshooter]

A lot of truth in that ....


In this respect our views are quite similar ....

Please don't let anyone see you even come close to agreeing with me. It will ruin both our reputations.

 

[RLENT]

Please don't let anyone see you even come close to agreeing with me. It will ruin both our reputations.

If one has need of the approval of others, then it is obviously something to be concerned about I guess ....

.... wants, slavery, and all that ....

 

[layoutshooter]

By the way, my 'observation of Gen. Odom. Just for you.

He was kind of 'sour'. He came out of his 'suite' far less than most other directors. Never seen him smile, nor did I ever see him talk to one of the rank and file.

The ONLY thing I can recall from his days at the "Pickle Factory" was the now infamous "Racy Hair" editorial in the NSA newsletter.

It seems that the good general was 'bothered' by how many of the women at the Agency dressed and wore their hair. His 'editorial' spoke of skirts worn too short and tight and "Racy Hair do's" being 'distracting'. Needless to say it raised more than a few eyebrows, got a LOT of laughs and cost him any form of respect.

My impression of him was he was not the 'brightest bulb' in the pack. Not quite sure how he got to that level.

 

[RLENT]

My impression of him was he was not the 'brightest bulb' in the pack. Not quite sure how he got to that level.

I've often wondered the same thing about many folks I've encountered .....

 

[layoutshooter]

I've often wondered the same thing about many folks I've encountered .....

You would have enjoyed talking with Bobby Inman, he was a very good Director. He had NO problem talking with those in the ranks and he took great pleasure in seeing OTHERS succeed. He thrived on challenging those who worked from him to excel. He also was an opponent of most of our "Middle East" policy, as were most who worked that mission. He was not a 'puppet' as some of the directors I worked for were. He was never afraid to speak his mind so to speak.

I think that IF you ever had the chance to meet some of those who were there, you would find that many of your impressions of my former work mates are a bit skewed. You would find that they are/were far more in line with Dr Paul than Barry, 'Uncle Mitty' or 'Little Ricky".

 

[RLENT]

From the Des Moines Register earlier today.

Maybe now Iowa will be able to fix some of their electoral issues and actually be able to declare a "winner" - without all the various problems of chain of custody issues (unknown parties in pickup trucks running all over creation in the middle of the night with ballots that should have been counted at the precinct), counting irregularities in 131 precincts, and being unable to certify their results:

A.J. Spiker is new chief of Iowa's Republican party

Ames Republican A.J. Spiker is the new chairman of the Republican Party of Iowa.

Spiker is a real estate agent and state GOP central committee member. He’s well known for his strong backing of presidential candidate Ron Paul.

The previous GOP chairman, Matt Strawn, resigned Friday. [rlent editorial comment: should have been: ".... resigned in disgrace ...."]

Senate Republican Leader Jerry Behn, R-Boone, was one of the first to congratulate Spiker.

“I look forward to working with him and the entire Republican Party of Iowa as we work together to win a majority in the Iowa Senate this November,” Behn said in a statement.

A.J. Spiker is new chief of Iowa's Republican party

BTW, this guy was the vice-chairman of the Paul Iowa campaign.

Be the change you want ....

 

[Pilgrim]

If he takes Maine it will change little. This has already been decided by those who rule.

Actually, "those who rule have very little influence in these "beauty contests" and straw polls. But not to worry - Ron Paul's streak is still intact, as if anyone is surprised by the results in Maine.