Jay Leno's Street Talk

LDB

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I usually don't watch but it's on now. He's out talking to random women. Most are college age and 20 something. A couple also have their mom's with them. He tells them it's women's history month and then asks "Who's Betsy Ross?" None of them know the answer!!! The liberals have gone so far as to ban red pens for grading papers in some school districts because it might hurt the poor little darlings feelings to see all that mean old red ink. SO WE HAVE A NATION OF IMBECILES GRADUATING THANKS TO SOCIAL PROMOTION!!! We might as well have handed things over to Kerry and just as well hand them over to Hilary. Why shouldn't another imbecile be the supreme leader of the nation of imbeciles we are producing? Idiots from top to bottom. Make it a clean sweep.

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tallcal101

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And Bush,who is currently at the top,is a........(fill in the blanks)?
Under Bush,Texas had the worst high school test scores in the counrty.Worse then Arkansas,and Mississppi,the previous champions!
I agreee Leo,Hilary and Kerry would do much to improve our educational system ,as they are not brain dead cheerleaders.But then again,perhaps you favor the braindead cheerleader type to run our country?Brain dead better then Demo,correct?
And people say my mind is closed.Have mercy!
 

greg334

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Now since the advent of public education, we have had direct control over it on a local level until the states got involved.

From that point the states did an ok job but still it was pretty much in local control and kids actually learned things.

But in 1979, Carter had the stupid idea of creating a full department for education on the federal level and this is the downfall of our education system. Not only do the kids learn less, they are so unable to handle the real problems that we have today.

I would like to see a promised fulfilled the elemination of the department of education. Why should the federal government be involved with education, they can't secure the borders.

I would also want to see the shift of responsibity from the public to the parent in regards of educating thier children which means I am for competition within the school and vochers and I also would want to see the elmination of the public school. But if we can't elminate the public school, get rid of the real source of the problem - the union. No public servant should have a union.

Sounds like I am going on the deep end but look at the answers that some of these 'honor roll' children are giving with simple things, like who is washington?
 

Jayman

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"And Bush,who is currently at the top,is a........(fill in the blanks)?
Under Bush,Texas had the worst high school test scores in the counrty.Worse then Arkansas,and Mississppi,the previous champions!
I agreee Leo,Hilary and Kerry would do much to improve our educational system ,as they are not brain dead cheerleaders.But then again,perhaps you favor the braindead cheerleader type to run our country?Brain dead better then Demo,correct?
And people say my mind is closed.Have mercy!"

Speaking of education...
1. It should be "Worse than Arkansas.." Not worse then Arkansas.
2. Here is how you spell Mississippi.
3. Here is how you spell Hillary.

I crammed a 4 yr degree in 5 1/2 yrs. :7
 

cheri1122

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Greg, I'd have a real problem with handing total control of education over to parents - as bad as the Feds are at it, (and they are very bad, no argument there), some parents would be even worse. At the risk of blowing my 'bleeding heart liberal' reputation, I've always thought parenting should require at least as much prior demonstration of understanding as, say, getting a drivers' license?
 

greg334

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Cheri,

I agree in many ways, especially the last part but look at it this way;

setting standards for kids should be set at the local level with local control - including controling every dime of the money that is collected (can you imagine if we went back to local tax collection and the reduction of our property taxes). I see this with the school boards who depend on federal money and don't care what anyone says or does, they will do anything to keep that money coming. The parents have no say or rights over their kids education.

But what I mean is if the parent is given a choice where the kid can go to school (like the French) and even put a kid in a school that interest them for a career (some what like the Germans do) I feel ths would solve a lot of problems we have with the eduaction system we have now.
 

cheri1122

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Local control is good, yes. The issue of putting kids in whatever school their parents want them in, is a tough one. What happens to the kids who don't get into the 'better' schools, because they're full? And more important: who pays for transportation, when the chosen school isn't local? Putting that responsibility on the parents means that children of low income parents don't really have any choice at all, but putting the costs on the taxpayers' backs isn't going to fly with taxpayers who have no schoolage children, or sense of civic responsibility.
Here in Ohio, the arguments over school funding have been ongoing for decades, and I have to wonder: among all the states, is there one that's found an equitable way to create good schools for all the children?
 

LDB

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I have a wonderful niece, Hilary, and forget myself at times and use her spelling when typing. I certainly don't intend to insult my niece though. As mentioned, our largest problem is Carter implementing a full blown cabinet level education department when the government should be keeping 99% out of it. Further, schools should quit teaching the assessment test and return to teaching fundamentals.

Properly taught phonics will generate excellent spellers. That requires work and testing and red ink on papers and accountability of both teacher and student. The current liberal education system refuses to hurt the little darlings' feelings by marking errors in red.

Ask Jaime Escalante about teaching math. Ask LouAnne Johnson about teaching English. Ask Joe Clark about running a school. It can be done and done well. Students can be taught and taught well. The problem is that for every one who stands out like the above do there are a thousand who are no better than the failed system they are entering.

ONE OF THE IDIOT WOMEN WHO COULDN'T IDENTIFY BETSY ROSS IS A TEACHER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

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greg334

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Cheri,
Look at it this way;

We have a system that is a monopoly. We can not have a voice in what our kids can learn or what they should not learn, we don’t have any rights to say what the money can be used for – not a good thing for any thing public.

Even if you don’t agree with the idea of elimination of public school as we have them today, you can not argue that this is a monopoly and monopolies are bad.

So break it up like AT&T or Standard Oil, this will allow true competition for the money that we give. One thing that choice will help is to force the competition for the betterment of all schools. We see this very thing already in the institutes of higher education and the competition between these schools to attract students.

This answers your question directly “I have to wonder: among all the states, is there one that's found an equitable way to create good schools for all the children?â€

But to further reinforce this, why is it that private schools do so much better than public schools in performance and efficiency?

You bring up valid points, transportation is one thing that I can not speak to but to answer your comment “Putting that responsibility on the parents means that children of low income parents don't really have any choice at all, “ actually I think that this would be a very good thing for low income parents, it allows them to take the money (in the case of local schools $8,500 per student) and decide what is better for them. Come to Detroit and see what these poor kids have to put up with (they get a little bit more than $8,500) – a system where the money is filtered down from a central administration to the schools to the point that there have been fund raisers outside of the city just to buy toilet paper for elementary schools. Wouldn’t a decentralized school that is run like a business with a profit margin and goals be a lot better than what is in place right now?

“but putting the costs on the taxpayers' backs isn't going to fly with taxpayers who have no schoolage children, or sense of civic responsibility.â€, we already do this in my state in other states too. I have to pay for two school systems that I will never have a kid in every year through my property taxes and I feel this is completely unfair to me not because I have no kids in the system but rather I want accountability and will never have it.

About ten years ago, I had a really big discussion with a very liberal friend (yes I have them) and made a comment that I like the voucher system but agree with him on the failure of any voucher system could have in the present system. I convinced him that the voucher system is a good start but what is needed for a voucher system success is that the tax money must never ever leaves local control - which he agreed. So what if you want your kid to go to a school in another city or county, that money will follow the kid, from the tax payer to the school directly (even if you home school the kid, the money is for the kid) – no going to the federal government then returning, no going to the state capital then returning. This system actually is used in other parts of the world, one place is France.

For some reason I admire the French for two things, the idea of choice and their nutrition program of the late 19th century. Now if it can work in France, why not here? Can’t we at least try it?
 

tallcal101

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I write on the fly,and never claimed to be a spelling champion.I pass on spell check on this site as I just don't have time,and don't care if your bothered by it.
Passed on college,owned my first business at 19,and have been around the world 5 times,projects in over 30 countries and sold $100 million in international moving and storage in the last 23 years.Spelling and truck driving seem to go together.I'm impressed.
 

tallcal101

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Time for me to take a chill pill.I apologize to all for my ugly comment above.I never go after anyone in a personal manner,and we have agreed before that spelling is not fair game,as it cross's political borders.Jayman,I really don't need your corrective assistance is my spelling or my politics,and will not play in the mud with you again.
 

Tennesseahawk

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Normally, I'd say that was crude to point out spelling the way Jay did. However, you opened the can of worms with the education in TX. Honestly, it looks to me like a playful poke at semantics <sp>. I wouldn't take it personally.

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bryan

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Hi

I don't think that all the schools are just producing idiots.I mean unless your into history or politics why do you need to know who made the first US flag.The world has changed and schools have had to change with them.We had shop and home ec. where kids today have computer and internet classes.Im a cybertard and have to ask my 14 year old to help me when ever I mess up the computer.She had to show me how to text message.Kids today can actually read the instuction manuals.I have to hope it goes together the way I think it should because I threw the instructions away right after I opened the box.
 

greg334

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Brenda,
Yep most private schools don’t produce idiots.

It is important to have some semblance of intelligence and history is part of that intelligence. If one is to function as an independent person, they must understand what it means to be independent and appreciate the fact. History in many cases helps illustrate that fact for many people.

The world has indeed changed and the world has reconginized the importance of properly educated people. With all the money and attitude we are for failing on the world stage and most of the problem is our schools.

I know that people put so much into this computer thing but as it is been discussed on many levels, computers in the class room don’t replace real learning. Many of the best and brightest students have used computers as tools to reach a goal, not be the goal. The goal that the teachers have made is the computer, is the idea that all kids are the same and should learn the same but that is another problem all together. The lack of the basics is the real problem in our schools; how to do basic math, how to understand what a fraction is, how to properly look at problems and so on. Computers don’t offer that type of instruction – a form of instruction that is all hands on and all in a form of thinking that we have used for thousands of years which can never be replaced by a tool.

I would say and firmly believe that the education my parents got (1930s to the 1950s) were about the best and the best time to go to school. To my ma’s dying day she still knew more about math, history and geography than her grandson ever knew and he is at the top of his class. What is sad is what Leo is pointing out, the idea is not who Betsy Ross is but the problem of someone standing there and not caring what they know.
 

LDB

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Knowing the basics of American history is a part of citizenship. It's the entire attitude that history isn't important, spelling isn't important as long as the meaning gets across, reading and writing aren't important so long as one can communicate and other similar attitudes among us that are a huge part of the problem of functional illiteracy that is constantly growing in this country. The liberals don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by actually grading and when necessary failing those who don't meet required standards. It's more important to socially promote than to educate.

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Tennesseahawk

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And that's why my kids will never sit in a public school classroom. Sarah is almost four, and she loved watching Schoolhouse Rock. Now she's onto other things, but the fact is, our kids love to learn. The trick is to keep em interested. If they aren't interested, find a way. I learned my multiplication, a lot of history, parts of speech all from Schoolhouse Rock between the Saturday morning cartoons. The Preamble? I still sing that song in my head to remember the words.

The problem with today is, too much stuff on too many channels and not leaving enough space for what matters in their little brains. Just get back to the basics, America!!!

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