Jay Leno's Street Talk
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Federal involvement in education was a bad idea, social promotion was a worse idea, and the current teach-to -the-test 'No child left behind' program was arguably the worst idea of all.
Local control, accountability expected of teachers and students, and teaching basic fundamental subjects and skills, including problem solving and conflict resolution, IMO, would seem to be the best way to teach. I was fortunate to find all that for my first daughter, in a Montessori school, but it wasn't cheap, and that's the crux: how to ensure that every student gets the best education they are capable of absorbing, regardless of economic status. Private schools get better results because they don't have to accept the learning disabled, dyslexic, unmotivated, troublemakers, or the poor kids, who just can't focus because they're HUNGRY.
Another area that I'd like to see some change in direction: the goal of a college education for all. Not everyone is suited to college, and vocational schools seem to be 'second class' - but we need the briccklayers, too!
Local control, accountability expected of teachers and students, and teaching basic fundamental subjects and skills, including problem solving and conflict resolution, IMO, would seem to be the best way to teach. I was fortunate to find all that for my first daughter, in a Montessori school, but it wasn't cheap, and that's the crux: how to ensure that every student gets the best education they are capable of absorbing, regardless of economic status. Private schools get better results because they don't have to accept the learning disabled, dyslexic, unmotivated, troublemakers, or the poor kids, who just can't focus because they're HUNGRY.
Another area that I'd like to see some change in direction: the goal of a college education for all. Not everyone is suited to college, and vocational schools seem to be 'second class' - but we need the briccklayers, too!
greg334
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Cheri,
"Private schools get better results because they don't have to accept the learning disabled, dyslexic, unmotivated, troublemakers, or the poor kids, who just can't focus because they're HUNGRY."
I do agree that private schools have a selection process that restrict access but when you have money that is clearly there and the ablity for a parent to choose the school, do you think that this problem will continue? I think moving it to a private sector and out of the contorl of the governement, you will see the solutions to take and educate kids with the problems you mentioned.
Also just FYI, motivation is a problem in all schools and 'poor' has nothing to do with a students ablity to learn, look at all the successful poor students of the past.
"Private schools get better results because they don't have to accept the learning disabled, dyslexic, unmotivated, troublemakers, or the poor kids, who just can't focus because they're HUNGRY."
I do agree that private schools have a selection process that restrict access but when you have money that is clearly there and the ablity for a parent to choose the school, do you think that this problem will continue? I think moving it to a private sector and out of the contorl of the governement, you will see the solutions to take and educate kids with the problems you mentioned.
Also just FYI, motivation is a problem in all schools and 'poor' has nothing to do with a students ablity to learn, look at all the successful poor students of the past.
Tennesseahawk
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Cheri? Is that you or did someone steal your password? LOL
I agree 100%. As much as I want to homeschool Sarah, Jackie and I have agreed to Montessori. Sarah is too much of a socialite. LOL
I'll add one thing to the downfall of our kids... dependency on two incomes. I would guess there would be many more homeschooled kids in America if one parent could stay home and teach. And as much as ppl bash the idea of homeschooling, last I heard 8 out of the last 10 geography bee champions were homeschooled. You can't argue the facts that public schools aren't cutting it.
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I agree 100%. As much as I want to homeschool Sarah, Jackie and I have agreed to Montessori. Sarah is too much of a socialite. LOL
I'll add one thing to the downfall of our kids... dependency on two incomes. I would guess there would be many more homeschooled kids in America if one parent could stay home and teach. And as much as ppl bash the idea of homeschooling, last I heard 8 out of the last 10 geography bee champions were homeschooled. You can't argue the facts that public schools aren't cutting it.
-Vampire Super Slooth Trucker!!!
tallcal101
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As a single parent for many years(son Ode,daughter Autumn,good hippie names)I could not afford anything but public school.They were quite young when they came to live with me full time,5 and 3.Since I traveled a fair amount,I traded room and board with Stanford grad students(women)to fill in as Nannies and tutors while I was on the road.
It was not a traditonal home,but it was a loving and supportive home.My children had been home birthed,so my bond with them began the moment of their birth,not when the Doctors deemed it was OK for me see them(prior to allowing fathers in the delivery room).
Between myself and my various Nannies from Stanford,my kids got tutorial help and guiedence throughout their primary and junior high school years.No matter how tired I was,assisitng them in their studies(prior to computer days)seemed the only thing to do to ensure they would excell.For us,it worked.In my traditional home of the 50's and early sixties,I only wanted to ride motorcycles and party.I skipped college.My parents were good people,but did not know how to handle me.I was a handful.
My kids,through no fault of their own,grew up in an alternative home setting.I was far from perfect,but provided lots pf love,healthy meals and did the wash every other day.The rest fell into place.
Last Sunday,on CNN,my daughter was featured on a news piece about the Greeening of ski resorts in America.She is a renowned expert in her field,and well respected in the area of greenbelt conservation and old growth protection.My son is a wild life biologist specializing in water foul.He is also a wild life illustrator,contracted to Natural History museums around the country.
It's our job to educate our children,to be there for them and allow them to choose their own direction.Relying on the government will result in failure,and unending dollars spent debating the obvious.
Public school,along with parential assistance and support,does not always lead to certain failure.
It was not a traditonal home,but it was a loving and supportive home.My children had been home birthed,so my bond with them began the moment of their birth,not when the Doctors deemed it was OK for me see them(prior to allowing fathers in the delivery room).
Between myself and my various Nannies from Stanford,my kids got tutorial help and guiedence throughout their primary and junior high school years.No matter how tired I was,assisitng them in their studies(prior to computer days)seemed the only thing to do to ensure they would excell.For us,it worked.In my traditional home of the 50's and early sixties,I only wanted to ride motorcycles and party.I skipped college.My parents were good people,but did not know how to handle me.I was a handful.
My kids,through no fault of their own,grew up in an alternative home setting.I was far from perfect,but provided lots pf love,healthy meals and did the wash every other day.The rest fell into place.
Last Sunday,on CNN,my daughter was featured on a news piece about the Greeening of ski resorts in America.She is a renowned expert in her field,and well respected in the area of greenbelt conservation and old growth protection.My son is a wild life biologist specializing in water foul.He is also a wild life illustrator,contracted to Natural History museums around the country.
It's our job to educate our children,to be there for them and allow them to choose their own direction.Relying on the government will result in failure,and unending dollars spent debating the obvious.
Public school,along with parential assistance and support,does not always lead to certain failure.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Tallcal,
You sound like a conservative when you said “It's our job to educate our children,to be there for them and allow them to choose their own direction.Relying on the government will result in failure,and unending dollars spent debating the obvious.â€
This is not liberal values, is it? I din’t hear this from any liberals I know, they all praise the public schools and their approach to “hands off†education by not allowing the parent to have a voice in the child’s education.
And I just can’t get over your statement; “Public school,along with parential assistance and support,does not always lead to certain failure.â€
WOW!
You sound like a conservative when you said “It's our job to educate our children,to be there for them and allow them to choose their own direction.Relying on the government will result in failure,and unending dollars spent debating the obvious.â€
This is not liberal values, is it? I din’t hear this from any liberals I know, they all praise the public schools and their approach to “hands off†education by not allowing the parent to have a voice in the child’s education.
And I just can’t get over your statement; “Public school,along with parential assistance and support,does not always lead to certain failure.â€
WOW!
tallcal101
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I have a challange for you my good friends.Let's see if we can drop labels for a week.No persistant "liberals this and that"(what is liberal anyway)and the ongoing blame game to keep the focus off of current events.I'don't have the time to summerize my side as many of you do(quite well I might add)but I'm informed,and try to stay open.
I'll lay off if you will.It's all redundant and ancient history.Past Presidents and 60' demonstrations,enough already!
Todays demonstrators are exercizing their right to peaceful protest.Calling them names and grouping them together is well,dumb,as there many,many people who voted for Bush out there.Are they now traitors to the "liberal"side?Or just people who are angry?
Get what I mean?Lets have an open debate and keep the labels out of it.WE might find we are closer then you might think once the defensive name calling is gone.Just a thought.
I'll lay off if you will.It's all redundant and ancient history.Past Presidents and 60' demonstrations,enough already!
Todays demonstrators are exercizing their right to peaceful protest.Calling them names and grouping them together is well,dumb,as there many,many people who voted for Bush out there.Are they now traitors to the "liberal"side?Or just people who are angry?
Get what I mean?Lets have an open debate and keep the labels out of it.WE might find we are closer then you might think once the defensive name calling is gone.Just a thought.
I think step one is to cut the BS overhead costs. School board members get paid way too much, and the schools are way too nice inside. All the schools I went to were basic structures. Nothing fancy, and I learned just fine. You don't need to go to a palace to learn. Between saving that money, and the stupid amount of money paid to all the board members and others not in contact with students, you could pay teachers more and hire more teachers.
Aviator
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It is quite comical and disturbing at the same time to watch "Jaywalking".
It is important to know who Betsy Ross and many more like her are. If you don't think it is then you are part of the problem.
Like it or not our country is a Christian country. It was founded and designed to be a Christian society while allowing religous freedom for its citizens. The founding fathers made no secret our laws were based and framed around the Ten Commandments. I say this to get to this. Our schools and education process have many problems, not the least of which is prayer is illegal and we don't recite the Pledge of Allegiance anymore. Our focus has shifted from promoting patriotism and moral values as well as educating to not offending anyone and making sure they can pass a test. When it became more important to not offend the little atheist child than to say a prayer or allow a quiet time for all to pray it was the beginning of the end.
Eliminate the DOE and the teachers unions. Make teachers accountable. Put prayer back in school and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Give teachers the ability to control their classrooms.
What is so sad is some of these people Jay talks to are history and education majors. If they can't answer these questions they need to be sent back to grammer school where should have learned it in the first place.
It is important to know who Betsy Ross and many more like her are. If you don't think it is then you are part of the problem.
Like it or not our country is a Christian country. It was founded and designed to be a Christian society while allowing religous freedom for its citizens. The founding fathers made no secret our laws were based and framed around the Ten Commandments. I say this to get to this. Our schools and education process have many problems, not the least of which is prayer is illegal and we don't recite the Pledge of Allegiance anymore. Our focus has shifted from promoting patriotism and moral values as well as educating to not offending anyone and making sure they can pass a test. When it became more important to not offend the little atheist child than to say a prayer or allow a quiet time for all to pray it was the beginning of the end.
Eliminate the DOE and the teachers unions. Make teachers accountable. Put prayer back in school and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Give teachers the ability to control their classrooms.
What is so sad is some of these people Jay talks to are history and education majors. If they can't answer these questions they need to be sent back to grammer school where should have learned it in the first place.