It's Called Self Defense.

roadeyes · Nov 20, 2021

why do you guys constantly bring up right vs left? this has nothing to do with right vs left!
It doesn't matter who funds who or who's behind the troublemaking. The fact that you and others like you can't converse or debate a subject without bringing up right vs left shows that your ideology just wont let you think intelligently as your judgement is continually clouded by that ideology to the point of affecting your everyday life.
How do you go through life thinking that everything is right vs left instead of looking at the bigger picture?

muttly · Nov 20, 2021

roadeyes said:
why do you guys constantly bring up right vs left? this has nothing to do with right vs left!
It doesn't matter who funds who or who's behind the troublemaking. The fact that you and others like you can't converse or debate a subject without bringing up right vs left shows that your ideology just wont let you think intelligently as your judgement is continually clouded by that ideology to the point of affecting your everyday life.
How do you go through life thinking that everything is right vs left instead of looking at the bigger picture?

Mostly all of the Left have condemned him for using self defense, which in this case was textbook. But they still want him guilty and in jail. That’s a problem. Be better.
BTW, you brought up Trump and his supporters so I don’t understand your argument about bringing up the Left when it was you that brought up the Right. I brought up the Left so I could set the record straight that the vast majority of “hate crimes“ are done by them.

danthewolf00 · Nov 21, 2021

roadeyes said:
why do you guys constantly bring up right vs left? this has nothing to do with right vs left!
It doesn't matter who funds who or who's behind the troublemaking. The fact that you and others like you can't converse or debate a subject without bringing up right vs left shows that your ideology just wont let you think intelligently as your judgement is continually clouded by that ideology to the point of affecting your everyday life.
How do you go through life thinking that everything is right vs left instead of looking at the bigger picture?

Because here in the usa it is about right vs. Left
It's about who controls who......we see what the Democrats (left)do in their citys vs. What the Republicans(right)do in theirs. I would rather live in a Republican run state than Democrat run because Democrats do not back law and order.....I can point to several citys that have been run by Democrats and I would not sleep in those citys for any amount of money.

danthewolf00 · Nov 21, 2021

Chicago
Detroit
New York
Settle
Minneapolis
All Democrat run citys and all of them are very high crime.

Turtle · Nov 21, 2021

RLENT said:
That's not really a hard and fast rule and legally, it varies by jurisdiction.

Varies by jurisdiction, because the various definitions abound because the only common characteristics of “assault weapons” are that these guns are not what the prohibitionists claim them to be.

But, according to the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Justice, "assault rifles” are “short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between a submachine gun and rifle cartridges. All assault rifles are capable of automatic fire."

Turtle · Nov 21, 2021

muttly said:
Mostly all of the Left have condemned him for using self defense, which in this case was textbook. But they still want him guilty and in jail.

As an example of that, I think it was Katy Tur of NBC who said, and I'm paraphrasing, "Self defense or not, he killed 2 people so he's guilty of murder, and he should be in prison."

muttly · Nov 21, 2021

RLENT said:
Same as they have done for hundreds of other fundraisers for people who were similarly situated:

GoFundMe Policy on Fundraisers for the Legal Defense of Violent Crimes

Rioters charged last year were able to have GoFundMe fundraisers.

muttly · Nov 21, 2021

RLENT said:
Mr. Rittenhouse's troubles may not be over:

Kyle Rittenhouse Could Face Federal Charges As Rep. Nadler Calls For DOJ Review

The fellow who wrote this opinion article is not very bright. Hate crimes? Against who? The haters were chasing HIM. He crossed state lines? So what? He didn’t even bring his gun across state lines. It was already in Wisconsin, but so what? He violated someone’s first amendment rights to free speech and protest? By putting out a fire? Some of the protesters went beyond their 1st by destroying property and torching stuff. Not saying the DOJ won’t try to find some way to charge him though. You can’t fix stupid.

muttly · Nov 21, 2021

Fun fact: Mike Lindell helped Rittenhouse make his 2 million dollar bail.

Pilgrim · Nov 21, 2021

roadeyes said:
why do you guys constantly bring up right vs left? this has nothing to do with right vs left!
It doesn't matter who funds who or who's behind the troublemaking. The fact that you and others like you can't converse or debate a subject without bringing up right vs left shows that your ideology just wont let you think intelligently as your judgement is continually clouded by that ideology to the point of affecting your everyday life.
How do you go through life thinking that everything is right vs left instead of looking at the bigger picture?

The Rittenhouse trial and it's outcome didn't have anything to do with Right vs Left (Democrat vs GOP) - it was all about the rule of law and the constitution being upheld, and in this instance the standards were met in a commendable way.

However, looking at the "bigger picture" of American society can't be done without factoring in the effects of our radicalized politics and the intentional divisiveness of mainstream and social media. Our MSM doesn't offer straight-up news any more. It's almost impossible to get factual, unbiased information from TV and print media. Instead, most everything called "news" is actually op-ed or outright propaganda. The media and the current administration are dividing people into groups based on race, income, and yes - political beliefs. Disagreement creates hatred instead of reasonable debate. Social media giants throw gasoline on this fire by controlling the type of information allowed on their so-called "platforms", and in many cases imposing outright censorship of ideas deemed to be misinformation or hate speech.

Right now our everyday life in the US is being adversely effected by the policies of our current administration whose policies are lowering our standard of living, encouraging lawlessness in most of our larger cities, opening our borders to anyone who wants access to American welfare, and displaying a weakness in foreign affairs that's unprecedented in modern times. Right now Democrats (the Left) are trying to pass a massive bill in the Senate that will plant the seeds of socialism in our country by creating numerous govt entitlement programs that will impose income redistribution that will likely never be rescinded. Republicans (the Right) are finally showing signs of resistance, but are dependent on two moderate Democrats who might be the first in recent memory to defy their party leadership.

How can you look at the "bigger picture" in our country without considering the influence of Right vs Left?

roadeyes · Nov 21, 2021

muttly said:
Mostly all of the Left have condemned him for using self defense, which in this case was textbook. But they still want him guilty and in jail. That’s a problem. Be better.
BTW, you brought up Trump and his supporters so I don’t understand your argument about bringing up the Left when it was you that brought up the Right. I brought up the Left so I could set the record straight that the vast majority of “hate crimes“ are done by them.

Oh so Trump is on the right is he? You just showcased my point nicely! I never said who was right or left however you're the one who just gave him that label, LoL!

Obviously he is considered right wing however I never made the adversial labels, you guys did! You see what I'm saying?
Everything you look at is right vs left and it clouds your overall judgement.

Rittenhouse got off on a technicality but morally he is guilty as sin and everyone knows it.
No one can deny that he specificaly went there to be confrontational and as far as I'm concerned he gave up his "right" to be there because he is unwilling to accept the responsibility that goes along with excercising that right!

Can anyone please tell me why you think you deserve your "rights" but don't think there should be any responsibilities attached to those rights?
It's painfully obvious to anyone with a quarter of a brain cell that he went down there hoping that something would happen,or as the assistant DA so aptly put it, to participate in "chaos tourism". Yes, the left side particpated in that as well so don't even go there, but thats not the point.
The point is, is that every time I bring up something about "the right" you guys hit back with "but the left does it as well"!
Well no shyte sherlock! I never said the left were a bunch of angels however what you are saying is that you are justifying Rittenhouse's actions because the left is just as bad! You are defending him by saying two wrongs make a right!

I'm sorry but I just can't get past the hammerhead american mentality that justifies a wrong with with another wrong and no care for the responsibility attached to the granting of those precious rights......

muttly · Nov 21, 2021

Got off on a technicality? Lol

roadeyes · Nov 21, 2021

muttly said:
Got off on a technicality? Lol

Yep, he sure did because technically it was self defence as he fired while being chased and we don't know for sure what happened to initiate the chase so we can't pass judgement on that.

What I'm basically arguing here is should vigilantes be granted the same rights as everyone else?
The argument from the vigilante side is "yes" because vigilantes are of the opinion that they are only acting because judging by the lawlessness they see on the streets coupled with the lack of significant police presence, in their view the rule of law no longer exists so everyone is still "equal" and that gives them the right to act and restore order.

And please don't insult my (and your own) intelligence by telling me he's not a vigilante!

roadeyes · Nov 21, 2021

muttly said:
Mike Lindell

No surprise there. That guy's a whack job!

muttly · Nov 21, 2021

roadeyes said:
No surprise there. That guy's a whack job!

Maybe so, but he did a good thing there. Bail was set way too high, given that there were charges against him, which there really shouldn’t have been any.

muttly · Nov 21, 2021

roadeyes said:
And please don't insult my (and your own) intelligence by telling me he's not a vigilante!

Well looking at the definition of a vigilante, it says one that punishes criminals.
I guess you could say that KR by using a fire extinguisher to put out a fire that was set by a rioter, he was punishing the arsonist’s feelings. Other than that he only punished criminals after being chased and cornered and also by falling down after running away and was physically attacked by people intent to do great bodily harm or worse.

Turtle · Nov 21, 2021

Self Defense isn't a technicality. It's a legal defense, and one that has been a cornerstone in English Common Law since the 1400s.

To "get off" on a technicality means you are allowed to go free, without facing any charge/punishment, because the technicality is something which means the trial could not take place properly because of an error, or a problem with the system itself.

He got off because a jury of his peers weighed the all of the evidence without prejudice and rendered a verdict of not guilty.

danthewolf00 · Nov 21, 2021

roadeyes said:
No surprise there. That guy's a whack job!

Wow so a guy that got off drugs and found god and started a business that employes hundreds of people is a whack job.....yup you need to look in the mirror a bit more buddy.

Pilgrim · Nov 21, 2021

roadeyes said:
Rittenhouse got off on a technicality but morally he is guilty as sin and everyone knows it.
No one can deny that he specificaly went there to be confrontational and as far as I'm concerned he gave up his "right" to be there because he is unwilling to accept the responsibility that goes along with excercising that right!

Rittenhouse is neither legally nor morally guilty of anything other than bad judgement. Seventeen year-olds are known for that, and being stupid is neither illegal nor immoral. Most everyone knows that. However, there's no proof whatsoever that "he went there to be confrontational".

A stronger argument can be made that the rioters and looters went to Kenosha - some traveling hundreds of miles and having no connection to the community - to protest, destroy property and be confrontational, thus giving up their "right" to be there because they were unwilling to accept the consequences of their actions. This would include the act of physically attacking someone armed with a rifle, which would also be considered bad judgement.

roadeyes · Nov 22, 2021

danthewolf00 said:
Wow so a guy that got off drugs and found god and started a business that employes hundreds of people is a whack job.....yup you need to look in the mirror a bit more buddy.

LoL! You're a real piece of work you are. You have added absolutely nothing to this thread.
You are the epitomy of a one celled amoeba trumptard.

If you even bothered to use the one brain cell that you have to do a basic google search you would find out that this guy is a complete whacko.
The fact that you would defend him speaks volumes about your own intelligence level.