IRAN ships to protrol near american waters

[greg334]

That's not the EMP and that is a worst case scenario. Likeliness of more than a million people being killed as a direct result seems to be a more realisitic figure, this includes those who are dependent on a stead flow of electricity to stay alive.

I wouldn't put it past Iran to do something but you know too much of a big deal is being made about it. Anyone is capable of doing something destructive, even Mexico or Canada but if Iran makes a move, they have to either be pretty sure that they can count on China and Russia to back them up or be ready to deal with everyone jumping on them.

That great president they have is not the one in power and it is those in power who may not agree with any move other than posturing.

 

[layoutshooter]

That's not the EMP and that is a worst case scenario. Likeliness of more than a million people being killed as a direct result seems to be a more realisitic figure, this includes those who are dependent on a stead flow of electricity to stay alive.

I wouldn't put it past Iran to do something but you know too much of a big deal is being made about it. Anyone is capable of doing something destructive, even Mexico or Canada but if Iran makes a move, they have to either be pretty sure that they can count on China and Russia to back them up or be ready to deal with everyone jumping on them.

That great president they have is not the one in power and it is those in power who may not agree with any move other than posturing.

Sorry Greg, your estimates do not match up with ANYTHING I learned when I had to study the problem when it was part of my job. I had to learn to USE an EMP attack as a weapon AND ways to defend the US AGAINST one. We have done NOTHING to defend against this, either from a natural or man made EMP event.

Canada is NOT a threat, Mexico does NOT have the means. Iran DOES. IF those ships move into the Gulf of Mexico, watch out. The ideal area to launch such an attack. It would NOT surprise me to see them use Cuba as a port of call.

Their president MAY not be the MAIN power. He can make a move before the "real power" there could stop him. Their military is more divided than ours is. There is MORE than enough support for that wacko in their military to override saner minds.

 

[greg334]

Sorry Greg, your estimates do not match up with ANYTHING I learned when I had to study the problem when it was part of my job. I had to learn to USE an EMP attack as a weapon AND ways to defend the US AGAINST one. We have done NOTHING to defend against this, either from a natural or man made EMP event.

Also in your job, you looked at worst case situations with a limited amount of resources at hand, a lot of things have changed but what hasn't is the fortitude of people in the face of a disaster. I know exactly what you are talking about and this is part of the problem when we speak of protecting the country and treating us all like cattle. Too many assumptions are made and most of the time they are made to leverage power - nothing more.

I don't know if you went through the CDF training, you may have but when the CD program was setup, it was dependent on people, you and I and our neighbors to pull together in case of an attack. The feds knew that depending on the military/federal government would be a disaster and they leaned on people. So the point is that the EMP may shut things down but they don't kill plants, they don't kill a lot of the communications (I for one have harden equipment, don't you?) and they will cause an interruption in our lives but we will survive.

We can't defend against anything, in the real sense, so the best thing we can do is be vigilant and not cry when something happens. There are bigger threats out there, there are bigger disaster that can happen and because we are intertwined into the world's economy, something that hits say St. Louis effects China and Russia.

Canada is NOT a threat, Mexico does NOT have the means. Iran DOES.

Why would you conclude that?

I means Mexico has a lot of money in the drug business and if they spend that money with the right people, then they have not just the means but will use it. Unlike Iran, who has to deal with the world, a drug cartel doesn't seem to give a crap at all.

IF those ships move into the Gulf of Mexico, watch out. The ideal area to launch such an attack. It would NOT surprise me to see them use Cuba as a port of call.

I would expect that it would be no biggie, seriously. Not because they can launch something but because you assume they are just going to float around in the gulf, take in the sun and wait until our navy is all in N.O. at Mardi Gra. I bet my truck there will be a task force tracking every move they make and if they do something, they will be blasted out of the water. So have faith in our military to actually protect us.

Their president MAY not be the MAIN power. He can make a move before the "real power" there could stop him. Their military is more divided than ours is. There is MORE than enough support for that wacko in their military to override saner minds.

Nope you don't understand how it works, they have the power, they call the shots and those under the pres there don't listen to him on these matters. Think of it like a spokes person who is hired to be the frount guy, no matter how bad the situation is or the guy is, he is who you and I see and it isn't his words that he speaks but someone writing the script - a lot like Obama and the teleprompter.

The one thing I learned about the Iranians, they are faithful to their country and culture, not their government so if we attack them, they will fight and I don't mean a select few but they all will fight.

 

[tbubster]

Quote by greg

would expect that it would be no biggie, seriously. Not because they can launch something but because you assume they are just going to float around in the gulf, take in the sun and wait until our navy is all in N.O. at Mardi Gra. I bet my truck there will be a task force tracking every move they make and if they do something, they will be blasted out of the water. So have faith in our military to actually protect us.

No why in the world should we have faith greg when time and time again you have told us how weak and dumb they are??

Quote by greg from another thread.

Putting it another way, you as a citizen supporting this action under the guise of national security lost your fourth, eight and fourteenth amendment rights by their actions and your permission, so the cops can search you, your home and can throw you in jail without a trial.

Sounds like a worst case scenario if I ever heard one.Why is one person using a worst case scenario wrong and the other not???????

 

[layoutshooter]

Greg, I take the word of scientists that studied that problem as a career. Some I worked with already have 20 years, or more experience in the field. 20 -30 million was NOT worst case. It was more middle of the road. They have forgot more about EMP than you and I ever knew. I did not take CDF training. I was, however, a volunteer firefighter and EMT and trained for man made and natural disaster on a daily basis.

NO, Mexico is NOT going to use drug money to by a couple of nukes and rockets to launch an EMP attack.

Our "glorious leader" and his stupid ideas for a "smart grid" and "smart" electric meters is making it even MORE likely that an EMP event will do even MORE damage. DUMB systems survive better.

 

[skyraider]

What would YOU do? An EMP attack is a reality, NOT science fiction. That attack could be launched from international waters without a problem. IF that EMP blast was placed properly it will likely KILL 20-20 MILLION in the first 6 months after it is launched. MANY of those would likely be in Canada.

We have seen them testing missiles that could put a small nuke into the right place and altitude. They are "buddy buddy" with North Korea AND China both of which could supply them with the war head. Not to mention their OWN nuke program.

Your answer to this threat? Keep in mind, there is NO defense against this type of attack available in either the US or Canada.

OH YEAH, Japan launched the attacks on Pearl Harbor from international waters. Would you have gone after those ships BEFORE they attacked? I would have.

Hey , u know what big Anwar Al is now saying,,Bring on the virgins, roflmao. Ok, I thought it was funny.

 

[skyraider]

Keep an eye on those Iranians everyone, no repeats..

The following is a list of how many people were killed on Dec. 7, 1941 as a result of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. •US Navy: 2,008 KIA
•USMC: 109 KIA
•US Army: 218 KIA
•Civilians: 68

Total: 2,403

Close to 2/3 of those who died occurred in the first 15 minutes of the battle when the Oklahoma, Utah and the Arizona were bombed.

In addition, 55 Japanese died, in addition to an unknown number of Japanese wounded. The US had 1,178 personnel wounded.

 

[layoutshooter]

Keep an eye on those Iranians everyone, no repeats..

The following is a list of how many people were killed on Dec. 7, 1941 as a result of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. •US Navy: 2,008 KIA
•USMC: 109 KIA
•US Army: 218 KIA
•Civilians: 68

Total: 2,403

Close to 2/3 of those who died occurred in the first 15 minutes of the battle when the Oklahoma, Utah and the Arizona were bombed.


In addition, 55 Japanese died, in addition to an unknown number of Japanese wounded. The US had 1,178 personnel wounded.

ll killed by an attack that was launched from international waters. You do have to have learned a little history.

 

[skyraider]

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[layoutshooter]

I gotta get me one of those!! What fun!

I THINK it was 1859, there was a massive solar flare that cause an EMP event, mainly in Europe. Telegraph wire caught fire during that event. Imagine what would happen these days when this happens. It is not an "if", it is only a matter of when. Be it natural or man made. We are NOT prepared.

 

[layoutshooter]

I gotta get me one of those!! What fun!

I THINK it was 1859, there was a massive solar flare that cause an EMP event, mainly in Europe. Telegraph wire caught fire during that event. Imagine what would happen these days when this happens. It is not an "if", it is only a matter of when. Be it natural or man made. We are NOT prepared.

 

[greg334]

No why in the world should we have faith greg when time and time again you have told us how weak and dumb they are??

I don't think I said they were dumb or weak. I think I mentioned that they are using technology that is behind our here but I know that they are better informed than we are as to our military.

Faith in our military to protect our country, yep that's what I said and I stand behind them to do the job, not get like the media wants us to be and panic when something like this happens. No one seems to mention about the Chinese subs that may be on the Atlantic side of our country, or others who seem to cross into our waters at different times. Many think Iran is such an important foe when we have more important things to worry about.

Sounds like a worst case scenario if I ever heard one.Why is one person using a worst case scenario wrong and the other not???????

Well I don't see how this applies to this thread. If we get hit with an EMP, the result won't be as people expect it to be, massive deaths will come later, if at all but the excuse that the government needs to suspend the constitution and start disarming the citizens will be used to "protect us" under the guise of the disaster. It is those who 'studied' this who seem to be the first to conclude that the government's role is to restore our lives but overall it is not a worst case scenario in this case, things can be fixed quicker than most realize and the people's resilience should not be discounted. By the way, the victimization of the population won't take place until long after the event is over with.

 

[AMonger]

Well I don't see how this applies to this thread. If we get hit with an EMP, the result won't be as people expect it to be, massive deaths will come later, if at all but the excuse that the government needs to suspend the constitution and start disarming the citizens will be used to "protect us" under the guise of the disaster.

Suspending the Constitution, aka martial law, does not exist in this country. There are no provisions for it in the Constitution. It is not listed as a power of the government, therefore it does not exist as a power of the government.

Further, it is the constitution that gives the federal government its existence. If there is, at any given second, no US constitution, as written, the feral government goes <poof> out of existence.

Suspending the constitution, if there could be such a thing, would be like eliminating the oxygen from your body to kill a tapeworm. Sure, it kills the tapeworm, but the host ceases to exist, also.

Yes, I know the tyrant Lincoln effectively suspended the constitution, and there have been other events that were all but a suspension. Only two things keep the federal government in existence then: their audacity and the people's complicity.

 

[greg334]

Lincoln trashed the constitution but suspended habeas corpus. A little bit of a difference.

 

[layoutshooter]

Our Constitution is in FAR more danger than killing a person that has said he has EVERY intention of killing us. The BATFE outlawing in the importation of every day shotguns, WITHOUT law being passed and WITHOUT a court challenge is MORE dangerous. Obama Care is MORE dangerous. The danger is in Washington, this is a smoke screen. The ACLU has little use for freedom either. I don't see them going after BATFE as they do Obama's bidding and just start outlawing private gun ownership.

 

[AMonger]

Lincoln trashed the constitution but suspended habeas corpus. A little bit of a difference.

Many things he did, including the use of troops to enforce the law/do his bidding went beyond that.

 

[greg334]

Our Constitution is in FAR more danger than killing a person that has said he has EVERY intention of killing us.

But see Joe, the problem is that if we say that, we forget that the constitution is based on those things called rights and if we go around killing people who "deserve it" then the trashing intensifies.

Like I said, you can't have it both ways, either justify all of the attacks to it or defend all of it. In other words, either this is a country of laws or men.

 

[layoutshooter]

But see Joe, the problem is that if we say that, we forget that the constitution is based on those things called rights and if we go around killing people who "deserve it" then the trashing intensifies.

Like I said, you can't have it both ways, either justify all of the attacks to it or defend all of it. In other words, either this is a country of laws or men.

He LEFT the county, he left the country and make known that he intends to help KILL as many Americans as he could. He helped or encouraged others to do so.

He was not a "normal" protester that argued against a policy or idea, he wanted us DEAD. Sorry if you have a problem understanding the idea of a "domestic enemy". I don't.

 

[greg334]

He LEFT the county, he left the country and make known that he intends to help KILL as many Americans as he could. He helped or encouraged others to do so.

OK I understand why many just don't get this but he is still a US citizen and until he renounces his citizenship or the congress with approval of the President strips him of that, he is still a US citizen. It does not matter what he did when he was in another country, it matters that he is a US citizen.

The other part of this is his actions WHICH may be covered under the constitution, and that is the part about treason. IT IS defined with a process that takes place and a punishment that is prescribed - WHY ignore it if you are supporting the constitution? BUT in order for that part to be used, he also has to be treated as a citizen and afford the same exact rights as you or I - no matter how vial and putrid it sounds or his actions have been.

He was not a "normal" protester that argued against a policy or idea, he wanted us DEAD. Sorry if you have a problem understanding the idea of a "domestic enemy". I don't.

I think you are not understanding it, defending the constitution and hence the country from a domestic enemy means that you don't go track them down and kill them but bring them to justice - NO I am not turning into a clinton liberal. Domestic enemy is fellow citizens, not foreign nationals. THIS means that they have the right to due process so it means that part of that oath you took was to support and defend which simply means you first follow it and then defend it within the confines of it.

 

[layoutshooter]

When someone tries to attack my family I WILL stop them. I WILL use ANY means that I have available. Due process is what is left if I miss.

There is NO legal remedy for DEAD. This "man" was a self proclaimed threat to my family. I promise you, had I had the means to kill him, I would have. I salute those who did. I kill him as quickly as I would a rabid dog, and for the same reason.