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[RLENT]

It would be a sad comment on those who do it.

Indeed ....

Not on those that don't.

That would depend - on whether others had participated in inciting such behavior (which could be as simple as an irresponsible and ill-considered post on a web forum somewhere), or whether an individual acted to stop or prevent such actions.

Sins of omission are quite frequently far more grievous than sins of commission ....

There is NO such thing as "group guilt" We are each responsible for our own actions only.

Tell that to the German people who lived as the Nazi's rose to power ..... and failed to act.

While I agree that each individual is certainly responsible for their own actions, I would say that the statement is not entirely accurate as constructed:

One is (or should be) responsible (to a greater or lesser degree, depending on the circumstances) for not only their own actions, but for the actions of others as well ....

This ought to be particularly evident to anyone who subscribes to one of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic faiths ..... since it is pretty well covered at a very early point:

Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"

"I know not," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"

What is implication of the above ?

That one is (or ought to be) responsible for another .....

The above clearly illustrates that it is duty of all to be responsible not for just themselves, but for others as well ......

It is a level of responsibility that often, quite sadly, seems quite foreign to many ..... particularly given their heritage and what they claim to believe in .....

 

[dieseldiva]

Glad you liked it ..... the comments about the naive and gullible I had actually been saving for a response (that I never got around to writing) to you in another thread ....

Arrogance and narcissism abound.....

 

[Doggie Daddy]

Arrogance and narcissism abound.....

I'm thinking that he's wearing that kitchen towel a little too tight.

 

[RLENT]

Arrogance and narcissism abound.....

I can't imagine anything much more arrogant (or as narcissistic) and as utterly hypocritical ... than proclaiming one is "all for" religious freedom ..... and before the breathe is even finished leaving the lips, to qualify it by saying "UNLESS it means building a certain building in a particular location .......

That ain't "all for" ....

Such is the absolute height of self-delusion (not to worry though .... there's certainly lots of company in that crowd ....)

That's fine I suppose - if someone prefers to lie to themselves, that's their right.

However please don't insult my intelligence by attempting to lie to me as well ......

 

[RLENT]

I'm thinking that .....

Clearly, that was your first mistake ......

 

[Turtle]

Food Fight!​

 

[dieseldiva]

However please don't insult my intelligence by attempting to lie to me as well ......

This may come as a shock to you but his comments, and those of others here, are not always directed at you. He was merely stating his opinion.

Rendering your opinion of the poster, questioning or commenting on their education, background, etc. is not part of the debate and serves only to make you look small. You sound just like some of the elite of DC.

His opinion, and those of others here, is just that, their opinion. They feel just as strongly about their stance as you do yours.

Now, once again, everyone needs to stop trying to make this about freedom of religion, the freedom to worship, and trying to deny other citizens their constitutional rights. That isn't why anyone objects and everyone knows it.

The only thing more dangerous than ignorance, is arrogance. ~Einstein~

 

[Turtle]

Now, once again, everyone needs to stop trying to make this about freedom of religion, the freedom to worship, and trying to deny other citizens their constitutional rights. That isn't why anyone objects and everyone knows it.

Well, duh. That's not why people are objecting, but it's the end result of their objections. In dismissing as irrelevant one's right to freedom of religion merely because you don't like them or their religion, you are, in fact, attempting to deny other citizens their constitutional rights. Are you OK with that? Because if you are, some other group might target you next. What then?

The only thing more dangerous than ignorance, is arrogance. ~Einstein~

In matters of truth and justice, there is no difference between large and small problems, for issues concerning the treatment of people are all the same.- Same guy

 

[dieseldiva]

Well, duh.

You see.....with just your DUH, you're giving the impression that you're looking down your self-perceived higher intelligent nose at those of us that feel the need to s-p-e-l-l out what we're trying to say because our opinions are being misrepresented in your (and others) replies. That wears pretty thin on those of us that are sick of being called racist, homophobe, islamaphobe, and anything else that you and others feel the need to label us with because of our beliefs.

I'm so finished with this discussion.

 

[Turtle]

I didn't mean to give that impression. I was hoping for an actual dent. I'll be more blunt next time.

"That wears pretty thin on those of us that are sick of being called racist, homophobe, islamaphobe, and anything else that you and others feel the need to label us with because of our beliefs."

<shakes head - Ya just can't make this stuff up.>

Where do you think racism and all the others come from? It's from narrow, misguided and unflinching beliefs.

 

[witness23]

I didn't mean to give that impression. I was hoping for an actual dent. I'll be more blunt next time.

"That wears pretty thin on those of us that are sick of being called racist, homophobe, islamaphobe, and anything else that you and others feel the need to label us with because of our beliefs."

<shakes head - Ya just can't make this stuff up.>

Where do you think racism and all the others come from? It's from narrow, misguided and unflinching beliefs.

Use smaller words Turtle.

 

[cheri1122]

This may come as a shock to you but his comments, and those of others here, are not always directed at you. He was merely stating his opinion.

Rendering your opinion of the poster, questioning or commenting on their education, background, etc. is not part of the debate and serves only to make you look small. You sound just like some of the elite of DC.

Maybe you could make a start by convincing the guy who rendered his opinion of the poster in post #24.

 

[cheri1122]

Here's an interesting question: if the tragedy of 9/11 had been perpetrated by another flavor of fundamentalist fanatics, like, say, conservative Christian crazies [the only leap of faith, as it were, being that of scale - killing a few by bombing abortion clinics being no less evil than killing thousands by crashing planes into buildings, IMO], and a Christian church were to be erected near the site, would there be a howl of outrage?
And for those who object to the mosque, would you feel the same if it were YOUR religion that inspired the terrorists?

 

[dieseldiva]

Uh oh.....somebody's been listening to too much Rosie......if we really must compare, we can start HERE.

While we're there, use THIS LINK.. to further our education and please take note of the column on the left hand side containing the number of terrorist attacks in the name of Islam since 9/11.

There's no comparison of the two, regardless of WHAT Rosie says.

SEVEN.....SEVEN

Now, I said I was finished with this discussion but you insisted on calling me out.......now, I REALLY AM FINISHED with you and all the rest.

 

[cheri1122]

Uh oh.....somebody's been listening to too much Rosie......if we really must compare, we can start HERE.
If it's me you're referring to, I have never listened to Rosie, or any other 'talking head'. The only thing I listen to is Audiobooks - don't have sat radio, tv, or a cb in the truck.
My opinions are strictly my own.

While we're there, use THIS LINK.. to further our education and please take note of the column on the left hand side containing the number of terrorist attacks in the name of Islam since 9/11.

There's no comparison of the two, regardless of WHAT Rosie says.
I don't know what Rosie says [but you seem to], I just think that a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist, regardless of how many innocents they manage to kill.

Now, I said I was finished with this discussion but you insisted on calling me out.......now, I REALLY AM FINISHED with you and all the rest.

But you ignored my other comment....

 

[dieseldiva]

But you ignored my other comment....

You mean THIS one.....

[QUOTEMaybe you could make a start by convincing the guy

who rendered his opinion of the poster in post #24.][/QUOTE]

I thought that was what I was doing....

 

[Pilgrim]

Here's an interesting question: if the tragedy of 9/11 had been perpetrated by another flavor of fundamentalist fanatics, like, say, conservative Christian crazies [the only leap of faith, as it were, being that of scale - killing a few by bombing abortion clinics being no less evil than killing thousands by crashing planes into buildings, IMO], and a Christian church were to be erected near the site, would there be a howl of outrage?

You bet there would. If there were a radical sect of Methodists responsible for those kinds of atrocities the outrage would probably be even greater. In this country, Christians do a pretty good job of policing other Christians.

And for those who object to the mosque, would you feel the same if it were YOUR religion that inspired the terrorists?

Yes again. The rights of the hypothetical radical Methodists end where the civil rights of others begin. If their warped beliefs tell them to kill innocent people in the name of the Almighty then the mainstream Methodists would and should do everything in their power to eliminate the radicals that are criminals and convince the ones that aren't that their beliefs are wrong. On the other hand, the so-called mainstream or moderate muslims seemingly have no influence over their radical brothers.

 

[Turtle]

It's the Charismatics that you have to watch out for. They're so, well, charismatic.

Actually, it's those snake-handling Pentecostals from up in Aristotle's neck of the woods that you've got to watch out for. Those people are crazy.

If you ever get the chance, I highly recommend that you visit the Rock House Holiness Church up on Sand Mountain in northeast Georgia. It's like going to another planet. I'm serious. They even speak in some otherworldly language.

 

[greg334]

If you ever get the chance, I highly recommend that you visit the Rock House Holiness Church up on Sand Mountain in northeast Georgia. It's like going to another planet. I'm serious. They even speak in some otherworldly language.

Those poor snakes.

I think Rock House is in Sand Mountain Alabama, I went to one church that was in West Virginia and it was exactly like you said - another planet.

 

[Doggie Daddy]

Maybe you could make a start by convincing the guy who rendered his opinion of the poster in post #24.

Hey Cheri,thanks for looking out for me, and all this time I thought that you didn't like me.

But really there is no need to concern yourself,the better half always has my back.