insanity finding a good driver

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
You are more qualified than I when it comes to hiring drivers. I did want to say I think that poverty level is for a family of four. Also 450.00 per week is equal to making around 12 bucks an hour at a forty hour job after taxes maybe even a little more. For a younger, single, non college educated person or an older retired person that is not all that bad when compared to jobs today's economy. $450.00 sounds like poverty but for many in the work force it is competitive. There are huge numbers of people out there not taking home $450.00 a week.

You are correct. That is for a family of four. As for whether it is a good wage, I guess it is somewhat subjective depending on what part of the country you are from. From a fleet owners standpoint, it would be a very questionable investment verses the risk.
While I don't run vans, it would seem to me that turnover would be high when looking at the whole picture.
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
hey don't get on me about the moneys I am just giving a worst case scene ok. Heck if these guys would drive more they will make more And after this last guyfrom ohio I honestly don't think I want to hire a driver now. You should see this moron texting me non stop begging for the job and then when I tell him no that he wasted my time and my money he says f u I have a driving job ! WTF great so stop texting and begging me for job.

And yes as far as running like a company I am gonna do that if I do hire a driver which is the last thing I will consider at the moment but if I do he will with no exception live at the most 175 miles away and with no exceptions have his own start up fuel money and if terms arent fine the van can sit at least I know where the van is and that the van is working good just in case I need it to goto walmart or hard ware store LOL
 
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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The expediting industry is full of current and former van drivers who went out and bought a van and became an expediter because they think it's easy money. Almost all of them are wrong.

The industry is also full of current and former owners with multiple vans who think each van they have is a little cash cow, out there doing its thing and making the owner some extra cash. Almost all of them are wrong.

Most van fleet owners won't spend the money to properly outfit the van for heating, cooling and comfort, and then complain when they can't keep drivers in their vans. Those who do properly outfit their vans are quickly jaded because the driver who has no vested interest in the business, or the van, won't take care of it.

The owner's cut of a 60/40 generally will only cover maintenance and repairs and other assorted expenses, so many owners will skimp on regular and preventive maintenance, letting the driver know that since the owner doesn't care about the van then it's fine for the driver to not care about it, either. Something needs fixed, the owner won't fix it, the driver finds a new owner to drive for. Even under the best of circumstances the loaded miles won't be what the driver wants or expects, so they aren't making the kind of money they want, and it won't take long for the driver to get discouraged when they see how much of the load pay is going to someone else. Doesn't matter that the driver doesn't own the van, all they see is the money for their hard work going someplace else. All that matters is they aren't getting what they wanted or expected.

The owner can't keep anyone in the van long term, and thus discourages the current driver taking any time off at all because it sits too long between drivers and is costing the owner money every minute it sits so he needs that van to make as much as it can while he's got a driver in it.

Too many owners think it's a perfect world where you can throw a driver in a van and the driver will take care of it and magically produce cash for the owner at a clip of 1500 miles a week. The reality is that the van sits for weeks over the course of a year between finding new drivers and during orientation and ends up producing 8 months out of the year with a more realistic 40,000 loaded miles a year instead of the 75,000 miles the owner thinks it should in a perfect world.

Things get even more complicated when the van fleet owner is also an owner/operator driving one of his own vans, trying to staff and manage other vans, even just one, at the same time.

There are exceptions, to be sure, but they are few and far between.
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
I avg 16mpg in my van, and as high for some reason of 17.5, depending on the load wt and if I'm in the mountains. I'm an o/o. I got in 5900 miles since 9-6-10 to today's date. I'm busy now as I work for 2 companies. The above figure of mileage includes deadhead miles. I only take up to 900 mile runs as this works best for me. What can I say, Im busy, the money is good and the freedom of this job:D is the best. I go home when I want to and work when I want to. Now if this old 318 will hold up another 200k, I will be happy.amen:D but my 2 bosses say they cant find good drivers or maybe good drivers with the right attitude, there are a lot of problem children(drivers) out here. :D
 

bugsysiegel

Expert Expediter
Being on the driver end of situation, let me chime in with some of my thoughts.

1) When I thought I had a team driver position, couple of months ago, the freight company couldn't be bothered to call me back to set up orientation or even to tell me what was going on. The claim was that they were moving offices, but even two weeks later they weren't answering or returning calls.

2) I talked to a couple of fleet owners. One wanted me to drive a van that was pretty old, had no radio, no cb hookup, no creature comforts of any kind (A/C, inverter, cruise control) and wanted me to pay for everything... EVERYTHING: he basically wanted to kick back, provide a beater van, and collect cash.

3) One fleet owner acted surprised when I told him I didn't have any expediting experience, even though in the emails we exchanged I clearly stated that fact... several times.

I'm not saying all fleet owners are bad, I'm sure most aren't, I'm just saying that it's not exactly a picnic on this side of the hiring process either!
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Once again ou Shelled friend hit it out of the park...read it and live it...

But as he said, their are exceptions....HEY TJP....how you doin buddy!!!:D
 

tbcabs

Seasoned Expediter
I couldnt find a decent driver for my straight truck so i got rid of it. My last driver abandoned my truck and we had to recover it. Now I drive the only truck we have. No one will drive your equipment like yourself.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
At the risk of being unappreciated I've got to say that professionalism works both ways and assorted versions of the f bomb are not professional at all and would discourage the most professional drivers from dealing with a company or individual that so freely used it.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
OK I am ready to say F the idea of hiring drivers to run a small fleet. My god I have never in my life seen people so out of touch with reality !

After reading your various posts I have to wonder what your definition of reality is.

SO my ? is am I the only O/O that feels this way ?

Or as in my case had many good people call about work but were just didnt have expediting experience.

Maybe you should rack up some expediting experience before becoming a fleet owner.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
OK I am ready to say F the idea of hiring drivers to run a small fleet. My god I have never in my life seen people so out of touch with reality ! Had 1 guy whom seemed like a good driver dl checked out great.and I said ok I will be nice and drive to Ohio to get you so you dont have to take the bus 500 miles.

WTF what a mistake that was. I get 110 miles down the road from my house Peoria, il and I am almost at Danville il when this guys wife calls WTF wife calling insane ok. she says he doesnt have the money to pay for fule to start ok not a problem I could have helped him with money to get started if he would have said something to me ahead of time.

But the wife calling and he is out running chores for her and cant talk to me WTF see ya later. I went into the emergency turn around in median and did a flip and came home to peoria LOL.

Now I am thinking forget these guys I am just gonna sell my van and put the money down on a large box truck or semi truck. more freight for those and the freight pays more. and no headaches from some drivers needing me to hold their hands.

SO my ? is am I the only O/O that feels this way ? I am seeing many ads on the board offering the world and these guys either blow it off and or want more.

Or as in my case had many good people call about work but were just didnt have expediting experience.


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prozak please LMAO

A bit of freindly advice from the local cumrudgen, "Never 0wn anymore trucks than you can drive at the same time by YOURSELF".

Moot, what in the world is reality in this biz?? And yes, I think you should meander into the area of fleet owner......your typed storys are sooooo intertaining.
 

Mike99

Veteran Expediter
OK I am ready to say F the idea of hiring drivers to run a small fleet. My god I have never in my life seen people so out of touch with reality ! Had 1 guy whom seemed like a good driver dl checked out great.and I said ok I will be nice and drive to Ohio to get you so you dont have to take the bus 500 miles.

WTF what a mistake that was. I get 110 miles down the road from my house Peoria, il and I am almost at Danville il when this guys wife calls WTF wife calling insane ok. she says he doesnt have the money to pay for fule to start ok not a problem I could have helped him with money to get started if he would have said something to me ahead of time.

But the wife calling and he is out running chores for her and cant talk to me WTF see ya later. I went into the emergency turn around in median and did a flip and came home to peoria LOL.

Now I am thinking forget these guys I am just gonna sell my van and put the money down on a large box truck or semi truck. more freight for those and the freight pays more. and no headaches from some drivers needing me to hold their hands.

SO my ? is am I the only O/O that feels this way ? I am seeing many ads on the board offering the world and these guys either blow it off and or want more.

Or as in my case had many good people call about work but were just didnt have expediting experience.


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prozak please LMAO

Trust me you can find a lot a great drivers out. I have this business since 2006 and since then I.m growing . You have to set some rules for yourself. For example I;m not driving to bring a driver a mile (except Grayhound station pick up). I'm not sending a cent for a bus ticket. Or I'm not hiring people without good work history. I have cargo van drivers (not so many) who drives for me since 2007. First you have to select them ,after that you have to give them RESPECT. It is a team work. You said ,you not make them sleeper....FOr example I have sleeper in my cargo vans, satellite radio, converter, GPS, some of them have a Honda generator etc.Sometimes takes me a month to find the perfect fit. So yes you can be successful but is not easy and takes time to know how to handle different situations under stress. In this situation you seem a little bit stressed. .Good luck .
 
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Mike99

Veteran Expediter
One more thing. I just did a reverse calculation on $450 NET /week, because if you take the meal deduction alone you end up with no tax on that money, and that equals to $35K GROSS income, or $16.8/h GROSS. Of course if you divide that by 24h/day rather than 8h/day it doesn't make sense, but if you look at the bottom like and disregard the fact that you're on the road almost all the time, I think the income is not too shabby... IMHO...
 
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layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I deleted that last post due to foul language. If you are unable to control it please refrain from posting. There is NO need for that sort of thing in these forums. Thank you.
 

ChrisGa23

Expert Expediter
Have the people in this thread who are looking for good drivers tried finding drivers outside of EO ? Maybe try craigslist its free. Or possibly an online job search engine like yahoo's hotjobs or monster or maybe careerbuilder? Not sure if its free but might be worth it if you find a driver. Go to different trucking forums and post your driver wanted ads. If I was looking for a driver I would differently post it in as many places as possible. Good luck
 

idtrans

Expert Expediter
Have the people in this thread who are looking for good drivers tried finding drivers outside of EO ? Maybe try craigslist its free. Or possibly an online job search engine like yahoo's hotjobs or monster or maybe careerbuilder? Not sure if its free but might be worth it if you find a driver. Go to different trucking forums and post your driver wanted ads. If I was looking for a driver I would differently post it in as many places as possible. Good luck

The main big sites charge fees. Clist is ok but you end up with spam and many junky emails. Heck I did advertise on clist and got like 20 fake apps LOL. But did get a couple real ones but they were semi drivers and honestly a semi driver would say what the heck if he was told to drive 1000 miles non stop LOL.

But I did end up getting a driver on here he has never expedited but he listens and lives only 30 some miles away from me. Hopefully all goes well. cargo van freight has been slow this week from what I can see.
 
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