Increased Security in NYC, Police Inspecting Trucks

[greg334]

I'm trying to figure out what will happen if ....

they find a truck loaded with material for a bomb and try to stop it - will the person set it off?

this is another possible target, where a massive amount of people are tied up in a traffic jam while inspections are going on to find someone who may have a weapon - isn't anyone concern over the fact that the check points have now created a bigger target?

 

[Rocketman]

I'm trying to figure out what will happen if ....

they find a truck loaded with material for a bomb and try to stop it - will the person set it off?

this is another possible target, where a massive amount of people are tied up in a traffic jam while inspections are going on to find someone who may have a weapon - isn't anyone concern over the fact that the check points have now created a bigger target?

I would say yes, they would set it off. But, I would also say that a terrorist probably has in mind to kill alot more people if they get to their intended target than what would be killed in the scenario you describe. So, although I really hope nothing plays out that way, that would probably be considered a successful interception by the authorities.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

ya see...all this extra money we are spending on stuff like that...the disruptive nature of our lives...they are sitting back laughing at all the fussing, just an increase in chatter will cause...all this going on right now...THEY win...

 

[Deville]

NYC & the sourounding areas were a mess today. I was getting alot of calls from my accounts that needed an extra truck & van because everyone was running late. My reply was whatmakes you think i'm exculded from running late. You try to do the best you can byt right now we are just grid locked.

If people can avoid going into NYC, Long Island & Northen NJ they should not go. You will be saving yourself a whole lot of grief.

 

[paullud]

ya see...all this extra money we are spending on stuff like that...the disruptive nature of our lives...they are sitting back laughing at all the fussing, just an increase in chatter will cause...all this going on right now...THEY win...

That was Osama's goal, he wanted to bankrupt us.

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[greg334]

But, I would also say that a terrorist probably has in mind to kill alot more people if they get to their intended target than what would be killed in the scenario you describe.

Well I would think they would intend on killing is not as important as causing a panic and maybe triggering another set of things that are there to "protect us". Our reaction from the last time was to do all kinds of things and screw up everyone's lives doing it.

Perfect opportunities for anyone are being made by our own fear that something may happen without confirming it. Kind of the reason why we can't think beyond our fears.

 

[purgoose10]

I watched a special on National Geographic the other day about the heroine problem in Chicago area. It's the number one user of heroine in the world. They also said that more than $1 billion in cash goes south from that area just in drug money. Most of it by truck on I-57 and 55.
What would you do if you found all kinds of cash in the back of your truck?? It would be a very large test of faith.

 

[Turtle]

ya see...all this extra money we are spending on stuff like that...the disruptive nature of our lives...they are sitting back laughing at all the fussing, just an increase in chatter will cause...all this going on right now...THEY win...

So does anyone have any suggestions on alternatives to spending the money, disrupting our lives, all while remaining reasonably safe and secure at the same level?

Ignore it all and hope nothing bad happens really isn't an option. Is it?

 

[greg334]

Are you sure that these things have actually made us safe?

With maybe a handful of publicized events in the last ten years, it seems that we are just as safe as we were on 9/10. Further more we have suffered by being fearful and reacting not with any positive unified way but with a fractured and rather childish manner making us all feel we are victims when we have something happen.

 

[paullud]

So does anyone have any suggestions on alternatives to spending the money, disrupting our lives, all while remaining reasonably safe and secure at the same level?

Ignore it all and hope nothing bad happens really isn't an option. Is it?

The issue is you can spend a lot of money in one area like airports so they decide instead to drive a bomb into Times Square. They are attacking an entire nation so it is not really something you can defend against. I agree we can't just sit back and do nothing but we need to take a second look at things like the TSA.

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[moose]

So does anyone have any suggestions on alternatives to spending the money, disrupting our lives, all while remaining reasonably safe and secure at the same level?

When we go to Disney world, we pay for the show, and we see a show, although there's A LOT going on behind the scenes.
we pay our taxes so the Gov. can used it to keep us safe, not tell us we needs to live in fear or work the night shift cleaning up Disney world for the next guest of horror.
we simply did not needed to know what they told us in past few days. we do not need to do their job, all we need to do is enjoy the show. as stated, this is about money and control.

 

[greg334]

Moose,
I just wonder about something, when in Israel, are Israelis complacent or vigilant?

 

[moose]

Moose,
I just wonder about something, when in Israel, are Israelis complacent or vigilant?

1st of, i try to do my best to 'well behave' while on the soap box. afterall i probably have access to way more info. then most regular posters here. and can compere almost everything here to the 'what Israeli's would have done'. but i simply feel this is irrelevant.
Israel Is a small place, and they fight a 'can't loose even once' war every single day at many fronts. while we in America choose our wars, and there for have mach more leverage over our elected officials choices of wars.

2nd, and since you asked a specific question ,(& after googeling those words LoL),
i think that the word OR in your question makes it harder to answer.
(but then there's a remote chance that your question was more of a "complacent/vigilant of the gov.")
the complacent is defiantly a very personal perspective. it will depends on ones life goals and agenda's, or whoever they are associated with.
most of everyone are Vigilant, it's comes as a 2nd nature, but yet there's so many Israeli's that can care less. again, it will depends of ones choices in life.
(you can ask me what is MY personal experience ,and except for the fact that it will be irrelevant, we will not have enough room for the answer.)

maybe the 9-11 anniversary weekend is the wrong time to say this, but i think that, after the 'being there did that', Americans can stomach way more then what we freely admit .we simply have a choice(thank god!), and we are cashing on it.
are you still wondering ?

 

[greg334]

Thank you for the response.

Why I asked is I see that we don't seem to understand what it takes to be involved for our own safety, not saying reporting ever little thing that happens but just the basic tenet of being aware around us. I know it is a life style choice, so having many many people here becoming more dependent on the government to secure our cities and states while we are not concern with the issues involved, it seems we forgotten much of what we learned from the two attacks of the WTC.

I know there is a difference between the two countries, but I seem to think that we should and could learn lessons first from Israel and other countries who face these threats daily - we haven't. I think until it comes back here, regardless who they are, we won't approach the understanding that others seem to have. I mean that if we look around, we don't seem to get the idea that it takes all of us, not just some select group of people, to protect us from things that could happen.

 

[scottm4211]

My truck was x rayed twice yesterday coming into Detroit so everyone can relax.

 

[Deville]

I was in the city again today on a personal matter, the city was MUCH better today for everyone.

I have to go back to NYC in the early Am tomorrow, that should be instresting.

There are reports circulating that the Cops & FBI are looking for 3 stolen construction viechles from companies doing work at & around ground zero. The new theary is that these terriost SOB's will use dress as workers & use the stolen truck & vans to launch the attack.

Guess were gonna find out how good HLS really is.

 

[Turtle]

Are you sure that these things have actually made us safe?

No, of course not. That's why I qualified it with "reasonably" and "at the same level".

With maybe a handful of publicized events in the last ten years, it seems that we are just as safe as we were on 9/10.

Isn't that the goal, to be just as safe (or safer) now as we were on 9/10? I think we are. We're actually safer now than we were on 9/10, because on 9/10 we allowed someone to plan and execute the 9/11 attacks. That's not something that's going to happen now. At least not with airliners, anyway. So we're safer in that regard, as well as additional security and scrutiny in other areas.

It would be nice to ignore it all and hope it goes away, but it won't. I agree that until it comes back here, and far more frequently than one big splash every 10 years or so, or the periodic thwarting of an attack, we won't even begin to approach the understanding that we need to truly combat terrorist attacks. When it happens more frequently the authorities like the TSA will begin to concentrate their efforts in areas that matter, instead of what they are doing now.

 

[dabluzman1]

It is kinda funny. I can't stand the "Big Brother" idea as much or more than most. I also know, without a doubt, that IF these precautions were NOT taken and the attack took place, people would be up in arms that not enough was done to stop it. The "media" would blame "intelligence failures", just like on 9/12/01. Very few would point a finger at the "civilians in charge" that often prevent people from doing their jobs.

It is a sad fact. There ARE bad people. They LIKE to kill innocent people. It is HARD to stop them and even harder to catch them after the fact.

It must be nice to have it both ways.

"Big Brother is watching" is not a negative for me. It is an acknowledgement of a reality.
My understanding of "Big Brother" vs yours may differ ALOT.

I am in complete agreement however on the lack of unity between the various Bros that more often than not allow preventable acts to happen.

"It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Great words from a great man.
Now if we could extract the politics from it.

 

[AMonger]

Maybe we should stop riling up the Little Brown People.

Just a thought.

 

[greg334]

Isn't that the goal, to be just as safe (or safer) now as we were on 9/10? I think we are. We're actually safer now than we were on 9/10, because on 9/10 we allowed someone to plan and execute the 9/11 attacks. That's not something that's going to happen now. At least not with airliners, anyway. So we're safer in that regard, as well as additional security and scrutiny in other areas.

Well when I safe safe as, I mean we are open still to another attack, we have holes in our security that will never be filled and it can still happen again with the same way that it happened on 9/11. There is no difference between then and now other than we are focusing on the wrong things. The additional security and scrutiny seems to be something that is debatable, surely the TSA's effort has not produced much other than restrictions, and our knee-jerk reaction to some events have been overblown while others are ignore so not to offend anyone.

Overall, I think we have a situation where we have another large lumbering number of groups who are slower to react than before without any assurance of accuracy.

It would be nice to ignore it all and hope it goes away, but it won't. I agree that until it comes back here, and far more frequently than one big splash every 10 years or so, or the periodic thwarting of an attack, we won't even begin to approach the understanding that we need to truly combat terrorist attacks. When it happens more frequently the authorities like the TSA will begin to concentrate their efforts in areas that matter, instead of what they are doing now.

I think we are not ignoring it, but becoming complacent with the idea that the government is the one who should be exclusively involved. They seem to have taken away our obligation to be vigilant about our own security.