Important Ruling on In Cab Laptops pending

ebsprintin

Veteran Expediter
I bought the kind of computer mount that I noticed mr. trooper had in his vehicle when he had me sitting there while he was researching a way to write me up. I wonder if mr. trooper's computer is capable of playing video. But then I guess I'm not allowed to have all the cool firearms that he is allowed to use either. Oh well, the slope gets slipperier.

eb
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
Cheri VS. Leo

Cheri WINS hands down. Leo your WRONG, the small 4 inch screen is mounted or should be mounted on the dash just above the the Cluster of insterments. Thus not removing your eyes from the road ahead. The laptop on the other hand is WHERE? Let me guess on the Passenger SEAT. How far does one have to move ones EYES? Impossible to do, one must TURN ONES HEAD.

I find mine safe, Program it while taking the load Info and I am done, listen to the voice commands and view what is comming up on the screen while not taking my attention away for more than a second, VS a laptop would take 4 seconds, turn head, put attention on screen, use the thought process, turn head back to road.

This is why Volvo auto mfg puts all the dials in easy reach to not take eyes off the road.

Same goes for Pontiac and Corvettes, with the Heads up display.

For your argument, than side miriors should be against the law cause it takes ones vision from front to rear and away from traffic. This is how easy the GPS systems are to adapt to, but a Lap Top in no way can be done this fast.

I carry a lap top and have had many friends who carry one as well, comment to me "your nuts for not having it up front, using GPS and to do my logs." NO THANK YOU, one more distraction. Cheri Congrats your right again.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Still use my trusty computer when stopped, write directions down from Mapquest, and rarely have a prob. Does pretty good to imprint the map in my mind, so I occasionally fix my own errors in writing (L vs R).

As far as them outlawing computers in drivers' view... Ain't worried about it. It doesn't affect me.

Sound familiar?
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
Still use my trusty computer when stopped, write directions down from Mapquest, and rarely have a prob. Does pretty good to imprint the map in my mind, so I occasionally fix my own errors in writing (L vs R).

As far as them outlawing computers in drivers' view... Ain't worried about it. It doesn't affect me.

Sound familiar?

I write it down as well when my GPS jams up. Still find looking at the directions WHICH = EYES OFF THE ROAD. Its better than a lap top for paying attention, but IN NO WAY is this system of writing your directions SAFER THAN THE GPS while driving.

The reason I write it down as well, so when I call the delivery I can confirm my directions. I do not let them give them to me I read what I have they either agree or tell me no there is a Truck Restriction for MR. TRUCK.

You Watch in the near future mirriors will be replaced as for wind drag or a second assist with HEADS UP DISPLAY on the windshield. Added to this will be GPS as well its a Com'N.
 

paid vacationer

Seasoned Expediter
Cheri VS. Leo

Cheri WINS hands down. Leo your WRONG, the small 4 inch screen is mounted or should be mounted on the dash just above the the Cluster of insterments. Thus not removing your eyes from the road ahead. The laptop on the other hand is WHERE? Let me guess on the Passenger SEAT. How far does one have to move ones EYES? Impossible to do, one must TURN ONES HEAD.

I find mine safe, Program it while taking the load Info and I am done, listen to the voice commands and view what is comming up on the screen while not taking my attention away for more than a second, VS a laptop would take 4 seconds, turn head, put attention on screen, use the thought process, turn head back to road.

This is why Volvo auto mfg puts all the dials in easy reach to not take eyes off the road.

Same goes for Pontiac and Corvettes, with the Heads up display.

For your argument, than side miriors should be against the law cause it takes ones vision from front to rear and away from traffic. This is how easy the GPS systems are to adapt to, but a Lap Top in no way can be done this fast.

I carry a lap top and have had many friends who carry one as well, comment to me "your nuts for not having it up front, using GPS and to do my logs." NO THANK YOU, one more distraction. Cheri Congrats your right again.

Not.... I got your back LEO, you're not wrong. I use both and love having both. They compliment each other actually. The only place the anti laptop gps plp are wrong is to say standalone gps is LESS dangerous than laptop gps. Assuming laptop is in a stand of some kind...i use cybertrucker. Hell, your radio (for music) or XM can be just as much of a distraction. Bottom line is it's all in how you use your stuff. I have found it's safer to have some type gps for local ditections. Do you think your really paying attention in front of you while craning your neck to see those tiny, barely readable street signs. Especially at night.
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
[So last poster let me get this correct:

If one looks just down to the bottom of the glass of the windshield not taking vision away from out front, it is just as safe as looking over to the right securing your Arrow figuring the diagram and than turning your head back to pay attention to traffic.

If you say so it has to be.

Sorry I see not turning ones head away being about 5 times faster than what your point.

One looks down from road with only eye balls one looks back at road.

Your saying:

One takes ones head and neck turns to the right either on stand or seat focus's on computer, looks for diagram of HWY on Screen sends message thru Brain, Turns ones Head Back to Focus on Road. I see no way that this does not take at least 5 times longer than a GPS on a dash unless I am missing something here am I?

Same goes with Written Directions find note pad, hold it up concentrate on what one wrote, look back up and put note back down.

I do not agree with the comments about listening to the Radio, its been proven to keep concentration over longer periods of time while driving. Now looking for a CD your correct on. On most trucks there is a little button that I do not even look for I know where its at RANDOM. so I am not even looking for stations it does it by itself.

And as for focusing Glass's help I have no problem seeing this except where you say night time its harder to see. Acutally its easier at night than during the day time. You know they are complaining and wanting to pass this law for a Reason the one your IGNORING. A laptop in a Drivers View is a Distraction a Bigger One than a Cell Phone, to easy to keep wanting to finish reading or viewing until its to late. Just cause we are suppost to be professionals does not eliminate us from Mistakes and this one usually involves thousands more LBS than a 4 wheeler.

Stand by my points, a safety orientated Driver will not keep the lap top up front and on while DRIVING. Others are just lucky.
 
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
A discussion about which device configuration is best for drivers is more informative and respectful than a discussion about who is right and wrong.
 

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
[Its not just as much right or wrong Phil as it is Safety:

Remember the Feds are gona Decide if they want these up front with us Phil. For a Reason Phil.

Ah gee Mr. Officer I did not notice the lady on the Corner I was taking my eyes off the road to look at my laptop. Sorry if I hurt her I did not mean it.

And this leaves you alot of room to comment on as well Phil, the guy who points out everyones mistakes or what you dissagree with. You might wana take a look back at History and your previous posts as you try to make your points as well.

I stand by my Point: A GPS is safer than a Laptop, if you can prove me wrong than its an Open Forum. I am willing to give you or anyone else the floor.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I'm a laptop guy. A computer geek all the way. I like my laptop better than the Garmin, too, because I can use it as an Atlas in addition to directions. But just because I like the laptop better doesn't make it safer than the Garmin. It's not.

Whether the laptop is in the passenger seat, on the desk I made in place of the passenger seat, on an Igloo cooler between the seats, or in a laptop stand at right in front of the radio, a standalone, dedicated GPS unit is far safer than a laptop, regardless of how much I looooooove my laptop. People who say otherwise are kidding themselves, and they know it.

This reminds me of people who state, unequivocally, that they are a good drivers, because they've never had an accident. Some of these people are the worst drivers on the planet.

A headset is safer than a hand held cell phone, right? Well, no, it's not, not really. Study after study has shown that reaction times with a headset is precisely the same as with a hand held, and both are the same as someone who is legally drunk. I prefer a headset, tho. Most do. But it's still not any safer than a hand held, except in that it frees up the other hand for the wheel in case of a need for emergency defensive driving. Your reaction times, even with the second hand on the wheel, will still suck, but when you eventually do react, having that second hand on the wheel may enable you to avoid a crash where only one hand might not.

So keep on telling yourself, and others, that it's merely a matter of how you use your stuff. If you like using your laptop for GPS, fine, keep using it. But don't try to fool yourself into thinking that it's safer than a standalone, 'cause it's not. It's merely cheaper. At best it's just as safe (or unsafe) as a standalone. Professing such foolishness that it's safer makes you look, well, there ya go.

Any distraction, be it a laptop or a standalone, is a distraction. So is eating and drinking, changing the channels on the radio, looking at video billboards, hooter shots (you go girl!) and the accident on the other side of the freeway. It's all a matter of how you use our stuff, right? Any distraction while driving is, by definition, distracted driving. A standalone GPS or a laptop GPS, they're both distracted driving. When used for strictly audio input for directions, both are about he same, and both are minimal distractions. But at all other times, the laptop requires more attention than the standalone, and anyone who has used both knows it, especially someone who uses both at the same time. So please, please, please don't come on here and say a laptop is safer than a standalone. It insults the intelligence of people who have any. If you want to use a laptop, then use it. If used wisely the distractions can be minimized. But don't try and defend it with silly notions about it actually being safer.
 

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
There is an assumption that people who have a laptop are looking at it while driving. In the dark ages before GPS and laptop computers, you had to figure out your route ahead of time. That's what I still do, but I use to computer to figure it out. The laptop is really no different than an atlas in my case.

The main thing is whether we use maps, GPS, a laptop, or all of the above, these things are tools of the trade and one person shouldn't be telling another which tools to use, as long as they're being used in a responsible manner. A Rand McNally atlas can be used irresponsibly as well if you're staring at it while driving. I see enough of that on the road from other drivers.

The main thing that ticks me off is how many car drivers these days are becoming so dependent on GPS devices, particularly the turn by turn feature, that they're forgetting how to navigate. I know people who don't even know their way around town at all because they just always follow whatever the GPS tells them. I asked someone how he went somewhere and he said, "I don't remember. I just followed the GPS." There are people who use these things responsibly, but I fear that that person's response might start becoming more widespread.

The point is that you should use whatever tool you need in order to perform your job, but you should not neglect learning the "older skills" because some newer technology has supposedly made that skill obsolete. Just because we have calculators doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to do basic math without one. Maybe that doesn't apply to most of us on here, but I think I'm starting to notice it with a lot of non professional drivers. Disable those satellites tomorrow and you might see thousands of lost cars wandering about the roads because the drivers don't have a clue where they are or how to get where they're going.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
If you can visualize the windshield & your navigational aid as tv screens, the standalone GPS is like watching a picture-in-picture screen, vs watching two separate screens, the second one of which requires turning your head to see. Which of the two would logically seem to be less of a distraction?
Even if they were equally good, I'd still consider the stand alone unit superior, because of the ease with which it can be placed out of sight - an important consideration, considering the risk of theft of electronics we need to worry about. (There's no telltale suction cup or ring on the windshield, either, just a strip of Velcro, which could be for anything. Like a bobblehead, for instance. :D)
 

hedgehog

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I started using MS Streets + Trips in 1998.

Back then, there were no turn-by-turn directions. Only a visional mark on a laptop map.

How you got to your destination was your problem.

I then upgraded many laptops along with MS + Delorme versions until early this year when I purchased a Garmin windshield mount.

Truth be told, the Garmin is just as accurate as my new Vista laptop and, IMO, much more safer.

Being a computer geek, it was hard to admit, but if I had only to make one purchase, I would buy the Garmin.

BTW, I also purchased a TomTom and it's mapping directions and route finders, were clearly inferior to anything I tried previously. Returned it back to Wal-Mart and after reading some of the posts here on EOL, I purchased the Garmin and rarely have used my laptop other than for internet purposes.

Just MY Opinion.
 

Crazynuff

Veteran Expediter
I think it's dangerous for the driver, not to mention the laptop, to use it while driving, so I hope the rule prohibiting it is passed.
I wonder, though, why some of the larger carriers don't use their buying in volume power to help the drivers acquire a GPS unit - seems they could buy them at a low enough price to resell at a modest profit, and everyone would come out ahead.


Why use a carrier for a middle man ? Go to Amazon.com and check out the reduced prices . Amazon.com: gps: Electronics
 

FIS53

Veteran Expediter
Well I run a laptop with streets and trips. I route at the pickup and see where it says to go and then I use a map (yup those paper contraptions) to see if I like the route or if there's a better one. A lot of times I know a shorter route so I use that instead of the gps assigned one. I have the laptop mounted so it is under the view to the right side mirror so it is an easier view when checking mirrors. I seldom refer to the laptop for location unless I need to find a john or know I'm coming into a town/city and I have to change directions so then I do quickie views only and change road position to make turns. It does have voice directions as well so not too bad that way either. The nice thing about the larger screen is that if I'm on the highway cruising and need to stop for a coffee or the john a quick look will show me how close the next town is. For me I prefer having fewer devices and like having one that serves multiple purposes. Now I only worry about one device instead of several and only one utilizing power, less cords etc. As for dispatch directions, well their another story and a half. i follow my routing most of the time as dispatch has funny routes that are usually longer. I know of one driver who follows dispatch directions all the time and puts on more miles for the same run and then complains about the cost of doing the calls. One call I know the guy does 24 more miles than I do. What's that cost today?

To each his own just use the **** things responsibly. All these tools are great and do help us along our journey in the business but doing this we should be able to read a map and know what direction we're going in without these devices (harder at night and especially a cloudy one). Although I must say trying to navigate by stars takes too long looking up and not at the road. yes yes I know you should know the direction of the road you turned onto.
Rob
 

CharlesD

Expert Expediter
Anything in a vehicle can be a distraction. I just don't feel like living in a nanny state because there are some people who can't be responsible. If we want to ban distractions, we should start with.

cup holders
radios
phones
fast food drive throughs
eating
the mirror on the inside of the visor
heating and AC controls
seats that are too comfortable
all passengers
roadside billboards
cops in the median
air fresheners hanging from the rearview mirror
mud flaps with naked lady silhouettes
pretty scenery

That would be a good start. If we can ban all of those things, that should make us all safer drivers.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
How about they start picking on the RV crowd?

You know the guy in the bounder tooling down the road watching the simpsons on the set on his dash while playing cards with the old lady.

There is enough of them out there that are far too dangerous.
 
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