Exactly it is about expediting.
I want to set up the Expediters Hall of Fame the right way.
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Exactly it is about expediting.
Paullud
That is not for me to decide or to choose. We need to have a group of all kinds of people from the Expedite community on a board that can meet. No favorites will be played or no good old boy system. If Doug and Stewart wanted be on the board and could do it without being the jokers they are, they would be more than welcome to be a part of it. They are expediters too.
I personally support the website and the goals that Dave has. Do I think this is an easy task, no I don't. I so often hear that drivers feel that they are not appreciated. Yet when one of your own tries to do something to change that we see more negatiblve than positive?
I am just giving my opinion, I do not have the solution. But I have to think as a community solutions could be had. Would any community not want to recognize excellence? Do the people here not want to elevate this industry that they are part of?
I am just giving my opinion, I do not have the solution. But I have to think as a community solutions could be had. Would any community not want to recognize excellence? Do the people here not want to elevate this industry that they are part of?
Very good point John and thank you for your continued support of the Expediters Hall of Fame and the cause.
Point taken, John. So I'll state again the idea I closed with above.
Start by establishing an expediter profiles web site or a journal or blog in which you profile selected expediters on an ongoing basis. You are going to have to produce that kind of content and photos anyway for a full-fledged hall of fame. Don't try to build the whole house at once. Start with a few bricks.
Develop an outline for an expediter profile piece. Pick 10 names. Use the same outline for each of the 10. Get to writing. Get photos. Publish the pieces.
Dave, tensions in the past are exactly that. In the past. You know what I speak of. EHOF is a large undertaking on your part. The site itself will be large in content cause of all the different directions it will need to go. All of which are admirable. Don't over think it. Anything that is important is worthy which will make good history. After all history is anything in the past not just years past. So push on with Passion.
Take your Passion and get some people in place. Send out a multitude of pm's to those who have been around for awhile and ask if they would be on the committee. Get all your answers, pick from the group and move on from there. No one says the committee has to be public knowledge. While I do imagine it would be, either way is of no matter. Stop being held up by trying to please all. You know on here that is impossible.
There are many different reasons for submission into EHOF. So don't worry about content just about getting that content in there. Once a starting history is established, of which there are only a handfull or two the rest is simply based on anything that is relative to change in the industry or achievment on any scale.
Just remember that help sometimes comes from where you least expect it. You want to pursue this in a new direction than you have in the past so do just that. You know the old saying, you keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. By that I did not mean you personally. I just meant look for help further than the obvious people you think should help. We have lots of very knowledgeable poeple here on EO.
As turtle said, JUST DO IT once you take more directive it will all fall into place.
Take your Passion and get some people in place. Send out a multitude of pm's to those who have been around for awhile and ask if they would be on the committee. Get all your answers, pick from the group and move on from there. No one says the committee has to be public knowledge. While I do imagine it would be, either way is of no matter. Stop being held up by trying to please all. You know on here that is impossible.
There are many different reasons for submission into EHOF. So don't worry about content just about getting that content in there. Once a starting history is established, of which there are only a handfull or two the rest is simply based on anything that is relative to change in the industry or achievment on any scale.
Just remember that help sometimes comes from where you least expect it. You want to pursue this in a new direction than you have in the past so do just that. You know the old saying, you keep doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. By that I did not mean you personally. I just meant look for help further than the obvious people you think should help. We have lots of very knowledgeable poeple here on EO.
As turtle said, JUST DO IT once you take more directive it will all fall into place.
I'm aware of that, Bruno. I have looked at the EHOF site. Thanks for the link.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
You know guys, I got two very frinkn nasty emails last night about my comments and got to say a couple things. my comments have an interesting back story and a very valid reason "again". I never said and still am not saying it isn't a bad idea or what ever you want to think.
I supported Dave's attempt at this until I got frustrated with the games he played. He can make me out here as the bad guy, mainly because the people who know me and know my work know the story which he is not telling anyone.
Here is a little of the advice I gave him so you all know;
Keep it simple - meaning not to depend on people to decide for you, make a decision and stick to it which shows committment and credibility. I also said pick the people yourself you want to present, who cares if there is any complaints, it is your site and passion to see this through. There are award sites that are run by one or two people that have impact so it is simple.
On the same theme of keeping it simple I told him not to clutter the page up with a lot of links and useless crap. Sponsors, if any don't need to have a more than a link to their site and not a BIG picture.
The visitor wants a plesent experience and if you give someone like me a facebook childish like presentation, it is not taken seriously. The same goes for links, if you are going to promote other sites, then do it in a manner that is tasteful and meaningful to the visitor.
I thought it was a good start for something that people take pride in. I was not negitive, outside of not validating his decision and I think, like what another member does, was looking for validation for their ideas because of their lack of confidence.
I supported Dave's attempt at this until I got frustrated with the games he played. He can make me out here as the bad guy, mainly because the people who know me and know my work know the story which he is not telling anyone.
Here is a little of the advice I gave him so you all know;
Keep it simple - meaning not to depend on people to decide for you, make a decision and stick to it which shows committment and credibility. I also said pick the people yourself you want to present, who cares if there is any complaints, it is your site and passion to see this through. There are award sites that are run by one or two people that have impact so it is simple.
On the same theme of keeping it simple I told him not to clutter the page up with a lot of links and useless crap. Sponsors, if any don't need to have a more than a link to their site and not a BIG picture.
The visitor wants a plesent experience and if you give someone like me a facebook childish like presentation, it is not taken seriously. The same goes for links, if you are going to promote other sites, then do it in a manner that is tasteful and meaningful to the visitor.
I thought it was a good start for something that people take pride in. I was not negitive, outside of not validating his decision and I think, like what another member does, was looking for validation for their ideas because of their lack of confidence.
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
Sometimes Greg it is better to not post a comment. There are times that I pass over some posts and go on to the next thread. If Dave was giving out erroneous information that could cause some people to take a risky chance or something then you would be right in commenting on it. But Dave's desire to get his project moving forward will hurt no one.
Sometimes you just need to let it go. This is one of those times.
Sometimes you just need to let it go. This is one of those times.
Doggie Daddy
Veteran Expediter
Well said Jim, i would give ya a "like" if i could.
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EN used to feature driver profiles more frequently than it does now. Jeff Jensen (rest his soul) wrote a lot of them over the years. I have written very few, either because Lawrence asked me to write something else for whatever upcoming issue was in play or because I had volunteered a different topic. Other staff writers or contributing writers would have to explain why they have not written driver profiles in recent years. I do not know why and cannot speak for them.
Lawrence would love it if I wrote more for EO and EN but I limit that. I stepped down as EN editor and became a contributing writer a while ago because there is only so much time in a day and Diane and I have other interests beyond expediting.
Hall of Fame writing for Buno's project would be different than profile writing for an On Time Media property. Profiles for EO or EN would be about everyday expediters and written to illustrate what drivers and carriers are doing today. Hall of Fame profiles would be about the greats (whatever that means, and that is for someone else to decide) and what they did over many years.
Once someone develops an outline, it would not be difficult to use it to profile each hall of fame expediter. It would be a great project for someone who is interested. There are no deadlines. The story won't change when you are in the middle of writing it. The work is orderly and can be done as someone's time and interest permits.
I'm not the only expediter who can write. Many demonstrate their skills right here in the Open Forum. Perhaps someone can step forward to give Bruno's project a boost and some needed content.
Greg
Yes, you did offer your advice and thank you, Others offered their advice also and I want to thank them also. As to what happened in the past is that, in the past. I'm just trying to move forward with this project as it's something I want to do for the Expedite community. It's not for glory, fame, or the good old boys system of putting people in the EHOF. Many people have sent me PM's and e-mails in support of this project and want to see it happen.
The reason behind having it at the Expedite Expo each year is, the Expo is the biggest thing each year for Expediters. It's not about who is liked or disliked in this business. It's about the people who helped make a change for the better in the Expedite business. People like Jeff Jensen, Bruce Simpson and Dan Schultz who helped take expediting to another level.
So much has change in the last 18 years that I have been in this business. I will use Dan Schultz for example, Dan helped with building an Expedite truck so people could stay out on the road longer. In the early 80's most driver would take a load then deadhead right back home or the company put them in a hotel if they didn't have a load by 18:00. Trucks were paid 65% of the line-haul going away from the house and 46% going towards home. When Dan Schultz started building better trucks that had bigger sleepers, Bruce Simpson and Chris Healy changed the percentage to 58% of the line-haul. I could list more but I would be here all day.
Phil has some great thoughts and so does Dynamite 1 and many others. I'm grateful for all the help from everyone.
Yes, you did offer your advice and thank you, Others offered their advice also and I want to thank them also. As to what happened in the past is that, in the past. I'm just trying to move forward with this project as it's something I want to do for the Expedite community. It's not for glory, fame, or the good old boys system of putting people in the EHOF. Many people have sent me PM's and e-mails in support of this project and want to see it happen.
The reason behind having it at the Expedite Expo each year is, the Expo is the biggest thing each year for Expediters. It's not about who is liked or disliked in this business. It's about the people who helped make a change for the better in the Expedite business. People like Jeff Jensen, Bruce Simpson and Dan Schultz who helped take expediting to another level.
So much has change in the last 18 years that I have been in this business. I will use Dan Schultz for example, Dan helped with building an Expedite truck so people could stay out on the road longer. In the early 80's most driver would take a load then deadhead right back home or the company put them in a hotel if they didn't have a load by 18:00. Trucks were paid 65% of the line-haul going away from the house and 46% going towards home. When Dan Schultz started building better trucks that had bigger sleepers, Bruce Simpson and Chris Healy changed the percentage to 58% of the line-haul. I could list more but I would be here all day.
Phil has some great thoughts and so does Dynamite 1 and many others. I'm grateful for all the help from everyone.
Allow me to throw out another thought. You just shared some history of expediting stuff that was very interesting to read. I have never heard of Bruce Simpson until you mentioned him above. I knew of Dan Schultz only because you mentioned him once before.
That's the kind of stuff that gets people thinking about expediting history and Hall of Fame candidates. You will attract a lot more interest and support if you put something more than a blank slate out there. Start the soup by thowing some bits in the mix.
Again, don't try to build the whole house at once. Start with a few bricks. Maybe create a web page on your hall of fame site where you can share your memories and others can too. A WordPress blog embedded in your site where you can share and people can post comments would be great for that. You can throw a tidbit out and interested people can comment or offer tidbits of their own.
That would stimulate more interest in the project, I would think. It is easier for people to talk about expediting history and the great expediters than it is to talk about an unmapped project.
That's the kind of stuff that gets people thinking about expediting history and Hall of Fame candidates. You will attract a lot more interest and support if you put something more than a blank slate out there. Start the soup by thowing some bits in the mix.
Again, don't try to build the whole house at once. Start with a few bricks. Maybe create a web page on your hall of fame site where you can share your memories and others can too. A WordPress blog embedded in your site where you can share and people can post comments would be great for that. You can throw a tidbit out and interested people can comment or offer tidbits of their own.
That would stimulate more interest in the project, I would think. It is easier for people to talk about expediting history and the great expediters than it is to talk about an unmapped project.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Phils suggestion of a page on the site of "Your" memories with the ability for people to add and or respond is a great one...Memories are what you are trying to preserve, give yours and let others give theirs....
I sold trucks for 10 yrs and i had 2 customers in the late 80's till the mid 90's that both bought CV's from me to "expedite"...one was a female signed with Tri Hours and the other was a guy that run for Roberts early on then moved to another company whos name i can't remember....that was my introduction to this industry...I had no idea that id ever be a part of it...
As last I remember, the guy was still expediting, but that was 6 yrs ago...anyone recall the name Phil Joesph from Toledo, Ohio? He was a CV'er....
I sold trucks for 10 yrs and i had 2 customers in the late 80's till the mid 90's that both bought CV's from me to "expedite"...one was a female signed with Tri Hours and the other was a guy that run for Roberts early on then moved to another company whos name i can't remember....that was my introduction to this industry...I had no idea that id ever be a part of it...
As last I remember, the guy was still expediting, but that was 6 yrs ago...anyone recall the name Phil Joesph from Toledo, Ohio? He was a CV'er....