Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working for

cowboyz

Expert Expediter
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

Mcbride, I am truly sorry. I misunderstood your post. I guess I was on the defense with every post I was reading. Thanks for the support and information. Maybe all this will settle down soon, as for the new FSC program, Who knows!






May Your Customers Be Happy
And Your Paychecks Big!!!
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

There is definitely a tendency here for many of the "regulars" to reply to the poster, rather than to what was posted. The text of a post is just that, and there is no reason to feel the need to color the intent of the text, or worse, to suppose and create a different meaning, with who wrote it when you're dealing with an information exchange site such as this one.

That's the very attitude that creates long-time readers, no-time posters.

It's intimidating, classic, and laughable. So stop it.x(
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

this is what ooida told me,if in your lease contract,there isn't a provision for fuell surcharge then the company doesn't have to pay fsc at all,so all the years that fed ex cc gave us this charge,they didn'y really have to pay anything.
now as far as what we use to get,fsc is suppose to be a suppliment to help with cost of the fuel,noyt pay for the fuel.
everyone in this company nows how I feel about what has happened,but over the last 20 some years here,there has been many changes,and we all survived.
this new pay has dropped my bottom line by about 20% but my pay is still better than I can get anywhere else,the trouble is,fed ex cc knows it.

fed ex cc since 1984
ooida 263839
E6613
steve gilbert
 

RichM

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RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

T: What you are saying is right and proper. Unfortunately some posters use intimidation and condensending tactics. If all could stay with the topic on hand it would make for a better forum. But all in all EO is the cream of the crop.
 

marvinkwagner

Not a Member
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

Ok David

Here is a good one for you and answer your own quetions.

FSC = Fuel Sur-Charge Noted.

Here is one for your books

I take a run it pays x amount of dollars
I ask the dispatcher how much the FSC is on the run they tell me
227. I ask how much for tolls they tell me none.

I get to the shipper
On the paper work I see that the FSC is 245.00
and the Total bill is Blank amount.

Now.

David Im not a owner operator but Im not stupid neither
if the paper work said run amount x amount and the Fuel Surcharge
was 245 in black and white
and I got told FSC was 227 and they sent it on the qual Com
where did the rest of the monie go. since yas been in the business for so long you tell me. By the way it was a gov load.
So you tell me.

Have a Safe One

Kev
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

kevin
the fuel surcharge on the bills is for the customers loaded miles,I take it your with FED EX CC,when you speak of tolls,FED EX CC is paying you fsc on both loaded and empty miles,which means,this could be higher than customer is paying,if empty miles are long enough,or less ,if empty miles are shorter.Most of the customers on contract,don't pay fsc or tolls.Personally I don't like new contract,I think that the tolls should be paid whether customer pays or not,we are getting fsc when customer doesn't pay,but I'm not going to argue this point on EO,spending my time speaking with FED EX
 

marvinkwagner

Not a Member
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

Hello

To everyone

Personaly I dont like the FSC peroid.

WHY well as just a Driver It gets taken outa my wages

Load pay - FSC - Tolls = XXX then Times My Percentage.

Now so ya all know. Why as I driver I dont like the FSC.

Now if I was an owner well maybe then Id like it.

Howerver I know that there are owners out there that pay off the Top.

Not saying its not a good deal for OO but for me as a driver Nope.

Kevin
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

I cannot think of a single reason why the FSC should not be given 100% to the person who pays for the fuel - can anyone else?
 
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guest

Guest
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

It's all about Money, that's all

If they take an Avg of $75.00 off of each load.
$75.00 times 600 loads a day X 6 days a week( because you count Sat and Sun as one day). Then times it by 52 weeks.

That's $14,600,000.00 Get the picture now.

Drive Safe
David Mayfield
O/O since 1/27/95
 
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guest

Guest
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

for me i like the runs with either very little fsc or none at all more money in my pocket }>
but i thought the whole idea of a fsc was to offset the cost of price of fuel not to pay for the fuel
but it seems like some owners got a little greedy with the fsc
i know this past summer the fsc was high on some loads
or maybe the customers saw how much the fsc was with fedex and seen hey its cheaper here at panther or some other expedite broker or company maybe thats why they changed it.

but has anyone who owns trucks on with fedex called someone there and find out why they are doing this and tell them hey as owners this seems a little unfair.
but again dont sit there a figure out what fedex makes or how they make money 1.its none of your buisness how they run their company,(certain owners should also do that,what is done on someones own time its none of their buisness)

but has seen a few owners that all they care about is money and are obessed with it
money doesnt make u a better person but it can break you
i know from expericance on just how money can do this
but oh well
has met alot of owners and drivers out here thats on with fed ex and hope they dont leave cause of this

keep strong and talk to someone maybe if enough owners talk to someone there maybe they will realize put it the way it was
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

>but i thought the whole idea of a fsc was to offset the cost
>of price of fuel not to pay for the fuel

Me too.

The offset brings the cost of fuel for the typical FedEx Custom Crtical leased truck, van thru tractor, to $1.20 for all authorized miles. Those miles include deadhead from dispatch location to pickup, run miles and miles to requested layover city.

As reported above, some customers pay an appropriate surcharge that is based in U.S. Government guidelines and other customers pay no FSC. FedEx Custom Critical pays no FSC, they merely collect it from as many customers as they can and then redistribute the FSC to all Independent Contractors for all authorized miles driven.

Robbing Peter to Pay Paul, perhaps, but I'd bet my truck against a Dunkin' Donut (no Tim Horton please) that there is no $14,600,000 slush fund that the carrier keeps from the contractors. Get the picture now?
 
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guest

Guest
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

see i didnt realize that i thought when a customers calls for a load to be shipped they tell them what it will cost and add a fsc to that load and send it to a driver
i know they are customers that they deal with period that dont have fsc
the good ole drug company
or a discounted fsc but i thought it went to the owner or driver of the truck that acepts the load

but looks like some owners were getting greedy for this slush fund and were asking for more that they should get
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

>FedEx Custom Critical pays no
>FSC, they merely collect it from as many customers as they
>can and then redistribute the FSC to all Independent
>Contractors for all authorized miles driven.
>

It would be nice if that were the case, but that's not entirely accurate. They take money in, and then redistribute it based on a flat-rate FSC. You don't really think that every penney collected gets redistributed do you? "Flat-rate FSC" is French for "we keep the surplus". This is not a new concept. It's been going on in the trucking industry in one flavor or another for years.

There is almost certainly not $14,600,000 in the slush fund, but it's probably a lot more than you think it is. It might be $75 from one load, $5 from another, and minus $50 from another load. But the bottom line is that there will always be more coming in than gets paid out when you're dealing with a flat FSC. The only way that's not gonna happen is if they pay out a left-over bonus at the end of every month or something. But they don't. No one does.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

I agree with your statement Turtle, but you are forgetting one important thing - we are contractors.

We can not demand anything - if their policy has changed from passing 100% to a fixed rate, what can we do? They can decide to terminate the contract and sign on others who will accept the situation. Beside all of this, it is a good move for them. Slushfund? maybe, it sounds like it will make them more money in the long run and I hope they use the money to get more customers.

I would like to see other things happen;

more meetings with the contractors

to know who is on the 'contractor' roundtable or what ever it is called, maybe even a rotation of these contractors

Contractor Cooridinators who are advicates for us

AND access to the fuel isles at the express and ground centers so we can pay for fuel up front at $1.25/gallon
 

terryandrene

Veteran Expediter
Safety & Compliance
US Coast Guard
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

Greg:

We won't get to use the Freight or Ground terminals to buy fuel at the current 1.25 that Ground IC's pay because they don't have licenses, nor the associated costs, to operate a retail fuel outlet. Because of the way expediters operate, there would be a lot of fuel bought for personal deadheading. FedEx Ground Drivers don't ride around town looking for things to do, nor do they have long DH home as we often do. They are walking a fine line, as it is, by providing fuel to their own Independent Contractors. Also, The other FedEx Operating Companies that allow the $1.25 fuel buy, collect the FSC from their customers and do not necessarily give 100% back to the IC's. Why would that method be OK but not Custom Crtical's FSC distribution procedure.

I sure would rather have FSC bringing my fuel cost to $1.20 than have to endure the inconvenience of getting my reduced price fuel only at FedEx Terminals. And for those Contractors that do not like the effective cost of $1.20 per gallon, what cost would be appropriate?
 

C5BILL

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RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

>
>I would like to see other things happen;
>
>more meetings with the contractors
>
>to know who is on the 'contractor' roundtable or what ever
>it is called, maybe even a rotation of these contractors
>
>Contractor Cooridinators who are advicates for us
>
>
I totally agree with the above statements.
 

Turtle

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Staff member
Retired Expediter
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

Greg, I didn't forget that we're contractors. Far from it. It's one of the things that allows me to complain about stuff like the flat rate FSC. hehe

Make no mistake, tho, they aren't going to take any surplus and use it to try and get new customers, per se, or anything else to benefit the contractors, really. It gets added to their bottom line, pure and simple. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that. Every dime a customer pays that doesn't go to a contractor goes to their bottom line, which is kinda how it works.

The FSC is just one of those things that just doesn't sit right when a company goes to a flat rate. I just wish they'd present it honestly to the contractos when they make the change, instead of painting a pretty picture with it. The primary reason for moving to a flat rate FSC is almost always one of two things. One is, to quickly and accurately get a valuation of the company or the division (usually, but far from always, in preparation for a sale or some other major financial change). And the other, more common reason, is to add revenue to the company in the form of increased load acceptance on loads that would otherwise be turned down (short runs or runs that paid little or no FSC) and to keep the surplus.

And while tinkering around with the FSC is a little "scummy", IMHO, the latter reason is a very valid one, and it's one that will help keep the company solvent, solid, and up and running, which does, in fact, benefit the contractors as a whole, even though most individuals will see less actual revenue because of it.

When Con-Way went to a flat FSC, I accepted it for what it was and remained there. Best way to handle it is to chalk it up to a cost of doing business, even if you don't like it. :)
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

Thanks Terry,
I see your point. I didn't think about the licensing (and tax collection) point.

But what is the right price - of course FREE. but really $1.20 is a good price level.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

Turtle, I have no doubt that what you say is accurate, but there comes a time when the trickle down effect of passing along "the costs of doing business" combined with the lower revenue to an individual contractor becomes the point of bankruptcy for the contractor. As you say, the company will remain solvent, and new contractors will take the place of those who leave, but isn't there an inherent wrong in such a business ethic? Has business become the American royalty, with a "let them eat cake" attitude?
 
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guest

Guest
RE: Hows the the new FedEx CC FSC program working

Terry I was going very low on 75.00 per load. Their was one load that one of our trucks was on that the customer was charged 480.00 and we only got 58% of that which the truck got $278.40 in fSC and Fedex got $201.60 of the FSC on an a 980 mile run. If they was under the new FSC program the would of gotten $137.20 in FSC which Fedex would have got $342.80. So Terry please Explain to all of us how this is BETTER, your on the Contractor Counsel at FedEx. Don't bring up they are trying to keep the Cost of fuel at 1.20 per gallon when they are pay us a FSC based on 10 MPG when their own sheets for Fuel Taxs show lower. Most C and D units get around 8.2 MPG because they are Class 8 trucks. You said that other FedEx compaines do this, well you don't start off doing something from the start and change things after the Fact. We are all in this business to make money not to lose money. The FSC money should be paid to the folks who are paying the FUEL point Blank.

Get the picture NOW

Drive Safe
David Mayfield
O/O since 1/27/95
 
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