How is post-buyout P2 for you?

davekc

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For whatever it is worth we had a truck there Monday as the #6 team and they got out the same day. I believe they are doing 8 to 9 loads a day out of there according to their load count Monday. Not sure if that helps you or not?
If you are too deep in the pile, I would locate your own load or call backhaul if looking to move quickly.





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mcbride

Veteran Expediter
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Hi Dave:

We have been here since Wednesday morning. We were number 17 or somewhere abouts.....number 2 now...so not too many loads have gone out. Some one in dispatch told us today that there were over 40 trucks in Texas.

It is very discouraging for us. We are used to running or at the least, moving to an alternative location. They suggested Kansas City, KS?! Move to a location with 6 trucks there already for $110.00 and over 500 miles...not a very good business decision do you think?

We were really hoping that this buy out would work out...


-mcbride-

--What goes around comes around--
 

bryan

Veteran Expediter
HI

This has been my best week in 2 years.

Got three load offers out of Toronto.1st load cancelled, 2cd load I refused and the 3rd load put me 75 miles from home.Livingston had my PAPS ready in under an hour.I'm waiting for hell to freeze over now.

Good luck and may the expedited Gods smile kindly on you.
 

babs3361

Expert Expediter
Hasn't been good for us either. T/T we did 1400 loaded miles with 350 DH miles last week. Seems to me Conway trucks are doing better. Panther has to give them a good impression i guess. Havn't done well since conway came aboard. Decided to go home after 5 wks out here. maybe things will be better when we get back. I hope..... been with Panther 3 yrs now don't plan on going anywere but we should be busy now.
 

bernieh48

Veteran Expediter
Not all the Conway trucks that came over are doing good. We did good the first week and a alf but then sat in FL for 4 days before getting something. Would not let us relocate and we tried to get a backhaul even with no luck. Finally when our owner called us to ask if we wanted him to broker a load for then dispatch gets us a load. Then we get to Indy on a Friday and all we were getting offered was little 100 mile loads which a team isn't going to do on a weekend. Finally held out and got a 757 mile load to CT for the weekend. Not sure how this is all going to shake down, but please people give it a chance before you just give up!
 

mcbride

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
This is a synopsis of our Texas saga:

We delivered at International Truck 08/09/06, Wednesday morning, along with at least one other Panther truck. We delivered before all other trucks.

We were offered empty move offer 496 miles to Kansas City, Mo for a whooping $110.00. We declined as this would not even pay for the fuel to get there and there were 5 trucks there already.

We went to TA in Dallas. On Wednesday morning, 8/9/06, at 09:15 we were number 11 of 20 trucks at 13:29 we were still number 11 of 18 trucks? At 20:03 we were number 8 of 10 trucks.

On 08/10/06, Thursday, at 12:45 (am) we were offered a load picking up at 02:00 (am) 361 miles going to Wichita, KS 15 miles dh to pu. On load offer dispatcher indicated that they had 4 loads out of Wichita in past day and 16 past 5 days. We thought this peculiar as our friends who now drive for Panther as well had to dead head out of Wichita that morning to Nebraska to get a load. We declined, now we are moved to bottom of list to number 15 of 15 trucks.

On 08/10/06 , Thursday, we moved to 7th position at 16:22 (pm) according to Sean, our team leader via a QC message. According to his message, he was going to call us within the hour or so to discuss possibly moving out of Dallas. We were not called.

On Friday, 08/11/06 at 14:08 (pm) we were number 5 of 13 trucks in Dallas, TX with 5 more trucks enroute.

On Friday, 08/11/06 at 20:47 (pm) we became the number 2 truck in Dallas, TX out of 15 trucks.

At 12:37 (am), Saturday morning, 08/12/06 we were dispatched a load picking up 26 miles away going to Moose Jaw, SK. 1547 miles. We refused once again…we would now have sat for 4 days to take a load into the middle of SK? Now we are looking at 800 or 900 miles dead head on the return to the states. So, now we are moved to the bottom of the list once again to 8th place of 9 trucks. (which we did not understand but decided it was not worth the answer as to why we happen to fall above someone else.)

Now what is peculiar about this whole saga? Our friends that delivered in San Antonio, TX on 08/11/06 got a load out this morning. (08/12/06) Our other friends sitting in Fort Worth, TX since Wednesday got offered the SK load and refused and were promptly put behind all the other trucks they however, were not offered the Wichita, KS load….NOW, what about that truck that has been with Panther and delivered at International Truck with us Wednesday morning?…They were offered the Wichita, KS load and refused it…they were not offered the SK load….they did not loose their position on the boards and got a load this morning. They were number 3 behind us when we were number 2.…hmmmm sounds odd huh?

We called Panther and inquired about this…no one could tell us anything about anything. We were told we would have to wait until Monday to speak with Sean.

We have left Dallas now…trying to cool off. The only thing Panther personnel told us when we said we were leaving was, “we are not paying you to leave.†We never asked for them to pay us. LOL

We did expect that there would be favoritism etc at Panther, as we know this kind of thing happens at all companies, but for it to be so blatant is unnerving.

We really want to give Panther a chance but it seems as tho they wanted the customer base and the fleet owners and to heck with the owner operator of one truck. This whole week has been very disappointing especially not having anyone at Panther to talk to about it with.

I think that eventually it will be Panther's loss as we are a good experienced team with an excellent record.

-mcbride-
--What goes around comes around--
 

FAMOUS AMOS

Expert Expediter
OK, HERE WE GO...

FIRST OF ALL WE ARE "THAT TRUCK THAT HAS BEEN WITH PANTHER" AND DELIVERED WEDNESDAY MORNING (POD OUT @ 5:15 AM). CHECKED OUR POSITION AND WAS 8TH OUT. THEN @ 20:27 THAT NITE WE WERE 1ST OUT. 00:12 WE ALSO WERE OFFERED THE WITCHITA LOAD AND REFUSED IT, MOVING US TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BOARD @ 8TH OUT. DROPPED OUR ACCEPTANCE % BY 7%.

LAST NITE WE WERE TOLD WE WERE 1ST OUT...SO....

WE WERE OFFERED A LOAD TODAY 8-12 @12:37. AND TOOK IT....NOW HERE WE SIT AT THE SHIPPER BECAUSE OF A DRY RUN. 1ST OUT AGAIN

NO FAVORTISM THERE HUH? NOT TO MENTION THE NUMEROUS TIMES WE SENT MESSAGES IN TO DISPATCH TO GET OUR POSITION ON THE BOARD AND NEVER GOT AN ANSWER OR GOT IT 2 HOURS LATER. WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY LUCK AT ALL WITH PANTHER SINCE WE ATTENDED THE EXPO.

WE TALKED TO ALOT OF CONWAY DRIVERS THERE AND ANSWERED THEIR QUESTIONS. PUTTING PANTHER ON A PEDALSTOOL...WE HAVE QUESTIONED OURSELVES IN THE PAST 2 WEEKS AND CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED. WE WERE ACTUALLY BEGINNING TO THINK THAT THEY WERE CATERING TO THE CONWAY DRIVERS AND LEAVING US HANGING.

AFTER TALKING TO JEFF ST PIERRE THIS MORNING...WE FEEL A LITTLE BETTER. HE ASSURES US THEY ARE WORKING ON DISPATCHERS ATTITUDES AND TRYING TO TRAIN SEVERAL NEW ONES. ALSO, THIS WAS AN UNUSUAL AMOUNT OF FREIGHT COMMING INTO DALLAS LATELY AND NOTHING BUT LOCAL LOADS MOVING OUT...SOME WITH THE LOW MILES.

SO LOW AND BEHOLD ....DON'T EVEN THINK WE HAVE BEEN SHOWN FAVORTISM BY PANTHER. THIS IS ONLY THE PAST 4 DAYS WORTH. I HAVEN'T EVEN BEGIN TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE KANSAS AND MO LOADS. WE HAVE EVEN RESET 3 TIMES IN THE PAST 8 DAYS. USUALLY GETTING 3000-5000 MILES A WEEK. BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN WE GOT 1700 LAST WEEK AND 1900 THE WEEK BEFORE, HUH?

WE JUST WANT TO GET THE STORY STRAIGHT THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY FAVORITES OF PANTHER...JUST DOING OUR JOB AND SITTING AN AWFUL LOT JUST LIKE OTHERS HAVE. DISGUSTED AND AGGRIVATED ALSO.

FYI...HAVE BEEN TOLD BY DISPATCH BEFORE...ONCE WE GET OUR POSITION ON THE BOARD AND MOVE (EVEN JUST ACROSS THE STREET TO WAL-MART) WE LOSE OUR POSITION. MAY WANT TO KEEP THIS IN MIND...YOU MOVE YOU LOSE!
 

mcbride

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
I don't think you are the team that we are talking about. We met up with them and they were loaded already. There were a couple of teams that delivered there, as a matter of fact we met another couple who did just minutes before we left Dallas.

I mean no disregard to you or Panther. If you feel that I do, I am sorry for that. We are just plan discouraged. We met up with several Panther drivers this past week and many thought "we" were being given preferred treatment. I can assure you that this is not happening with us....nor many of the others that elected to stay with Panther. We do know of one couple first hand that is running great and I will write no more about them as I don't want to jinx them. LOL

If you were in fact that truck I am speaking of, then that means that a couple of trucks felt or were told they were in positions they actually weren't in. In addtion, that would not explain why you were not offered the Moose Jaw, SK load....because if you were and you refused it you would have gone to the bottom of the list as well. The other team we met up with before we left was not offered the SK load either...which may be you...nor the other team, just the other couple in Forth Worth, TX. and us. So, if you were a team that delivered at International Truck on Wednesday, why were you not offered the SK load last night (earlier morn 2:00am)? Or if you were offered this load, why were you not lowered in position? Do you see what I mean?

BTW, we did not move our truck once. We never even turned it on until we decided to leave Dallas. So, a move across the street...or what ever did not change our status.

If you look at our status' above you can see they sometimes make no sense. We don't move up when we should or move up when there seems to be no reason for it.

We know that many of the Panther people are not happy with the buy-out. Who would be...now a huge amount of trucks and no notice of an increase in freight? NO ONE blames you or has a grudge against you for this. We ex-Con-Ways just want the same thing as you....to run. This is not an us against you thing.

-Peace-

-mcbride-

--What goes around comes around--

**edit for spelling errors**
 

FAMOUS AMOS

Expert Expediter
NANCY,

JUST THOUGHT IT WAS US YOU WERE REFERRING TO SINCE HUBBY MET UP WITH YOU GUYS AS WE WERE LEAVING, AFTER FUELING. I APOLIGIZE FOR COMMING ON A LIL STRONG IN MY REPLY SINCE WE WERE NOT THE ONES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

DON'T KNOW WHY WE WERE NOT OFFERED THE SK LOAD. THE RATE THINGS WERE GOING THE PAST FEW WEEKS I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT JUST TO GET OUT OF DALLAS...LOL

ANOTHER FYI THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND...THERE CAN BE 2-3 "1ST OUTS" ON THE BOARD...GO FIGURE. THEN YOU HAVE SOME THAT HAVE BEEN PROMISED A 1ST OUT WHEN THEY DELIVER. BUMPING OTHERS BACK...US FOR AN EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW....DRY RUN...1ST OUT. NOT TO MENTION...15 TRUCKS SITTING AND A TRUCK COMMING TO THE AREA GETS A LOAD BECAUSE THEY ARE ROLLING. GO FIGURE THAT ONE.

THERE ARE TOO MANY DISPATCHERS NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON. MAKING PROMISES TO DIFFERENT TRUCKS.

KINDA FIGURED YOU WOULD SOON BE CHANGING YOUR TUNE FROM YOUR PREVIOUS POST ON HOW THINGS WE GOING GREAT (NO HARM MEANT THERE). WE KNEW IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME....
 

mcbride

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Hey!

>KINDA FIGURED YOU WOULD SOON BE CHANGING YOUR TUNE FROM YOUR
>PREVIOUS POST ON HOW THINGS WE GOING GREAT (NO HARM MEANT
>THERE). WE KNEW IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME....

LOL....really don't think my tune has changed as much as reality is setting in. As we said to you folks at the Expo, we want to make a go of this. We can not make heads or tails of the way people are put in their respective positions. Nor, can we figure out why some loads are offered to some and not to others. The way we are seeing it...some get offered crap loads, refuse and then get sent to the bottom of the list. BUT, we do know, using you as an example, you did not get offered the SK load nor did the other team...both of you guys were lower on the list than us...do you see what I mean? This is not saying anything bad toward you....PLEASE do not take it that way! I don't know how Panther wants us to to assume differently? Can you see where we are coming from here? Does Panther dispatch personnel have the ability to select who they want to dispatch certain loads to?

BTW, you need to join the poker site I play on, so we can play cards and chat. LOL


-mcbride-
--What goes around comes around--
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Almost like real estate. Location, location, location. We have several trucks that are extremely busy, but we had one currently that went in the tank.
He went from Orlando to Nashville,Nashville to Detroit, Byran, Ohio to Dallas, and then to Tuscon.
There is the week for this truck. Got to Tucson Thursday night and here it is Sat. and nothing. When he arrived he was second out and now he is first but no load. They visited friends friday but no load. They should be out Monday.
If not, I got all day Monday to line something up. Kinda held back because they were number one on the board. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. If he was second, I would have booked my own load or moved them to LA or El Paso.
Keep in mind that it is August which isn't the highest freight month of the year.
Just because your with Panther prior to the Conway deal or a fleet owner, doesn't guarantee a load every day.
September should be a good one. Or I hope anyways.






Davekc
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Your absolutely right Dave...Its funny how one truck can be busy when others appear to sit...hard to figure, but over a monthly basis it all should work out. Its like throwing a dart at the board! Now if your 1st up and your one hour away and a truck unloads around the corner from the your pick-up... It sux to be #1 eh? Its called customer service.
 

mcbride

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Dave,

We appreciate what you are saying with regards to location...we are not new to expediting. We feel we have a pretty good idea of the basic freight lanes as we have a complete record of every load we have ever taken and every mile we have ever driven for 7 years. We have all the shipper and consignee information of every load we have taken in those 7 years...which includes name, address, date/time of load, who offered load, dead head percentage, where we were when dispatched and the miles we accrued under the load.

With regards to us getting/finding a load or a back haul--we will not carry freight for 50 cents or less a mile. If people continue to carry freight at those rates where does it end? It is our belief that people carrying freight at those rates contributes to the demise of the owner/operator trucking industry.

Dave, I don't mean to sound confrontational but you have not once specifically answered any question with regard to Panther. For example, how do you explain the status differences or the fact that some people are offered some loads and others are not offered those same loads while they are sitting right next to each other?

What happened to us and others this week in Dallas was not a figment of my imagination. It is factual information---three team trucks in one truck stop area (three delivered to same location)three of them sitting within a mile radius of each other---two trucks are offered a load to SK--us in Dallas and our friends in Fort Worth---two other teams in Dallas truck stop area were not offered the load. Two of them were sent to the bottom of list for refusing the load--one in Fort Worth and us in Dallas and the other two who were not offered load kept their respective positions. Really, now that I think of it they---IN FACT, did not keep their positions they went above us!

The fact that we could move across the street to get groceries and loose our position is mind blowing. Do you think it fair if the dispatchers were ordered to stay at their homes for two or three days while on call for their jobs? In other words, a dispatcher is given a pager and told to stay at their home until they are needed, (this could be two or three days.) NO, you can't go to the diner to eat, no you can't go to the movies, no you can't go do your laundry at the laundry mat, no you can't go to the mall and God forbid... you may not visit any people at their homes because you are on call and you can not leave your home location. AND, if you do leave...we are docking you three days pay and not only that---we are making you stay home ANOTHER three days because you left in the first place.

In addition, Dave, you are a fleet owner with several trucks not a owner/operator of just one truck. Therefore, your income is derived from all the trucks not one as ours is. You also have the ability if you so choose to "find" a load for your drivers or dead head them to LA or El Paso. As I stated above, we were given one option after we delivered and that was to go to Kansas City, MO for $110.00 or for 4.6 cents per mile. Considering our truck gets 8/9 miles per gallon and fuel is $3.00 per gallon, would going to Kansas City for $110.00 to sit behind 5 other trucks a good business decision?

-mcbride-
--What goes around comes around--
 

kwexpress

Veteran Expediter
KW Express
o/o till i die

everyone knows I am not one to defend panther but I do know they also have a brokerage dept and it is possible that an outside carrier bid on the load in question and was awarded the shippment in question. that may be the answer as to why the load didnt get offered to the other truck and they kept there position.and please dont blame dave for being a fleet owner. he has enough headaches
I was with them for 3 years and found my real problems there started when I added more trucks.but that was old panther and this is new.not with them now and will never go back.

But if I was I think you should take daves advise and next time you sit more than 24hrs take a proactive approach and find your own freight.I agree dont run for .50 a mile but there is alot of ltl that will pay a buck and get you back to a better area and if 1 ltl isnt paying enough find 2.if you dont have the resources to do that yourself find someone like dave that would help you find something.some of these fleet owners do nothing but sit at the computer finding loads anyway.and there is no secret to these load boards they have alot of junk but I find better luck when I post my rate along with my truck that will limit the amount of junk calls I get.

Panther is offering you more freedom than con-way did I know this this cause I was also with con-way on 3 different times none that lasted for any length of time but I was there with straights and vans liked them but ##### happens and if you become a fleet owner you will see more ##### happens.

good luck I hope things pick up for ya
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
McBride... could it be that a truck between you and Amos on the board took the SK load? And that's why you were offered, but Amos wasn't?

Personally, instead of falling 8 or 10 spots because of the Witchita load, I would've taken it. If I knew for certain other trucks there weren't loaded, I would dh to NE.

Just sitting in one place for two or three days, especially in Dallas, proves this: Dispatch will offer crappy loads to you first, hoping you're desperate. If you're pro-active in either locating your own loads, or re-locating your truck after a day or two, they'll know you're a go-getter (a good word for impatient;-) ). Try it, and let us know if it works.
 

mcbride

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
>Just sitting in one place for two or three days, especially in >Dallas, proves this: Dispatch will offer crappy loads to you first, >hoping you're desperate.

And....you find this an acceptable practice. I guess it is what one could consider to be "forced" dispatch. This in my opinion is forced dispatch or if you want to word it a little more flowery....taking advantage of the drivers situtation.

The trucks in question were behind us in order we were 2, them 3, 4... The truck in Forth Worth was number 2 as well prior to refusing the load.

Furthermmore, where would you suggest we go to? With over 40 trucks within Texas alone and trucks stacked up like cord wood within 500 miles of us.

-mcbride-
--what goes around, comes around--
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Acceptable practice? No. That's part of why I'm not there. But in a company where you get moved to the bottom for turning one down, it's the way of the world.

Reading thru again, I see your point about the truck directly behind you on the board. Perhaps it was taken off their loadboard, but they should be able to answer that. It's not rocket science.

I wasn't suggesting you move out of Dallas. I mentioned that, if I were in your position, I would've accepted the Wichita run, instead of being knocked down to 15th. And, knowing what you knew about the freight in Wichita, then proceded to move up to Lincoln or York, NE (depending on how many were in that area).

Also, when a company has half a zillion dispatchers, it's easy for a lone truck to get lost in a sea of promises. I can't blame the dispatchers themselves, but the company certainly has the means to make due on promises or returned favors. They just choose not to.
 

davekc

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Fleet Owner
Nancy,
I will try to answer your questions as best I can. Some items are alittle difficult not knowing the very specifics of certain runs ect. I will go into alittle more detail than before because my responses were limited a few weeks ago because of the expo.

With your experience as mentioned, I am quite sure you know where the major freight lanes and majority of customers are. With that being said, your other resources may be limited. I follow several load boards, and monitor truck activity closely. Even if a location does a fair amount of freight, that is different than when does the freight come from those areas and what part of the month. Alot of places in Texas only ship at the end of the month, or primarily Monday and Friday. That info has to be put up against how many trucks are there, and how many are due to arrive. That includes Panther trucks as well as competitors. As Hawk mentioned, these would have been considered as well when looking at the Wichita load.
It may or may not have been a winner.

On your Dallas issue;
Several items have to be known as KW eluded to in his post. The first being a Canadian load. Where the other trucks Canadian approved? What kind of Canadian load was it? Where the other trucks permitted for SK? Some may not be. How was the called in? Or was it a bid load? That depends as well because Panthers response time may be limited. If there are three trucks and each has 15 minutes to accept/decline, Panther may be out of time. Many only give a short amount of time and you lose. Because of a time contraint, they may after the first refusal, threw it to their own brokerage board and it got picked up right away prior to going to another truck. I wouldn't call it the norm, but it does happen with every company. Alot of times, customers don't want to wait for an hour to see if you have a truck to cover it. In many instances, the customer will call several companies or a broker and the first call of acceptance gets it. Lastly, is how the load was called in with regards to dimensions? Assuming all are 22 feet in length doesn't ensure it fits. A tall object may not fit in a truck with rollup doors for example. Also of course, would be the weight issues. If a customers calls and wants (specifies) a 22 footer, and has said they have only two pallets, the 22 footer will get called first. If that unit refuses, then they go to the next size that can take it. Some customers specify, and some don't. Others are requests for dock high only (van killer) regardless if it is one pallet or not, no reefer, no liftgates. ect.

As far as truck movement, you can move and not usually lose your position unless you fall out of a 50 mile radius, or their computer trips up when you move out of a certain zip code. It is kinda of a strange setup. All I can tell you on that is to call or QC after you move to ensure your position is still intact. As with likely the other Panther drivers, I can't say this has really been much of an issue for us. For the few times it came up, it was corrected.

Your reposition to KC
That is only suggested, and seldom do we use it. As mentioned, if we know that an area has too many trucks, we do the research that I listed and determine the value of the run on those merits. If we take a load into a saturated area, we (not usually the drivers) start looking for loads long before they get there. Using Dallas for an example, I may look for something short to Houston because I can get my own freight out of those areas if freight is too cheap in Dallas. My other option is of course to look for freight right out of Dallas. As KW mentioned, I may take two loads that pay 80 or 90 cents each. Or, I look a specific lanes. Maybe only one load out of Dallas that goes to Atlanta but pays .60 cents. There may be a load in Shrevesport or Monroe La, that pay 1.50 that goes to or close to the same location. I will book them both. There is usually no time constraints like expedite, and if there is, I double the rate.
Yes, you might lose some time because of two pickups and two drops, but if you are faced with sitting for a period of time, you have to look at the alternatives. We use this as well in the winter. Who wants to drive to a blizzard if they don't have to. Or, when someone needs to go a certain direction or go home. It is a very valuable tool if used correctly. Anyone can take advantage of this regardless of how many trucks they have. There is no magic bullet but the above is why our teams outperform some of the other trucks because our dh and idle time is pretty limited.
That is why we have great experienced seasoned drivers that know all sides of the business.
Ok...there is my self promotional plug.
Not sure if I helped or not, but hopefully it gave you some insight as to how some operate.
Yikes........this is getting long








Davekc
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mcbride

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Where the other trucks Canadian approved? What kind of Canadian load was it? Where the other trucks permitted for SK? Some may not be. How was the called in? Or was it a bid load? That depends as well because Panthers response time may be limited. If there are three trucks and each has 15 minutes to accept/decline, Panther may be out of time.


WHAT???? Do you mean to tell me that some trucks are not Canadian approved and if a Canadian load comes up...not only are they not offered it....they are not penalized for not being able to take it??

So, you are saying a truck might not be approved to go to Canada-
They are 3rd on the list and we are number 2-
We refuse it-
We go to bottom of list-
They aren't offered it-
They go ahead of us?---OMG---

With regards to finding my own loads-

We will not haul cheap freight. Period. We know that we could get it but as I mentioned why do we want to contribute to this whole scenerio. People who accept it in my opinion are ruining the trucking industry. You, of all people, know the cost of running a truck and the overhead involved---cheap freight, does not a business make.

AND-what are we paying a percentage of the load to Panther for if we are expected to find our own loads? This is what Panther is paid for.

With regard to the load in question-
It was a "swap" load-
It was eventually coverd by a Panther truck...so they say...take that for what it is worth.

The more that I look at the whole thing and the more emails and responses I review from people.... (People, I might add, that are following this thread and are to afraid to post their opinions because of fear of retalitation from Panther.) I think that Panther's dispatch, at the very least, borders being called forced dispatch. If you are punished in any fashion for refusing a load this is a force situation. And as Tennessee so aptly put you will be desperate and have to take loads that are not good for your business. I highly doubt you would want your fleet to be running loads or moves for 4.6 cents per mile. I also highly doubt you like the idea of your teams taking 200 mile loads on any kind of consistant basis.

Furthermore, if a truck moves from one location to another within a few miles and has to fear it will loose it's position that is wrong. Period. You have the wherewithal to straighten the incidents out for your drivers and this is great. You have clout with Panther. We, on the other hand, do not have any clout and can not seem to locate anyone to give us any answers to our questions and/or concerns.

-mcbride-
--What goes around comes around--
 
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