How Big Was Your Raise This Year.....

[greg334]

because there is no raises to show

Really?

I think that if you are not making money at this time, you are doing something seriously wrong.

fuel cost has gone up - you are compensated for that increase

cost for a vehicle has gone up - not really, bought a used truck this week and it was cheaper than buying new but compared to buying the same truck at the same age 6 years ago, I would have paid more

cost to keep up with all the regs. has gone up - where?

 

[cheri1122]

Wow!

If you try to compare what we do to the government, you need to get more work and spend less time on the internet because government doesn't produce anything.

If you want to make more money in this type of business and ...

you are a driver - buy a truck

you are an owner/operator - get your authority

you have an authority - get more trucks in your fleet

BECAUSE ...

this is the real world where the market is not fair to those who expect to be coddled and competition is part of the free market that everyone WANTS who seems to b*tch about obama.

If you expect some sort of intervention into the markets to get rates higher from outside - dream on ... because it starts with you FOCUSING on your business while improving the relationship with your owner/carrier/customer to put the effort into sabotaging other people in this business by being competitive.

By the way, why isn't anyone posting their income so we can see their raise?

Wow! is right - do you understand 'theoretical'? I am NOT complaining about Load One - they are a very good carrier and I'm doing well. My comments are about the general situation we all face, and how the original premise of so many things [including the 'free market, which gets manipulated all the time] have changed, and not for the better.
I know that if it were possible to raise the rates, Load One would probably be the first carrier to do it - it's the fact that it isn't possible that bothers me. No matter how hard we work, it won't change the system, and it's sad to see so many people who are fine with that - hard work should be a path to betterment, why isn't it any more?

 

[clcooper]

Really?

I think that if you are not making money at this time, you are doing something seriously wrong.

fuel cost has gone up - you are compensated for that increase

cost for a vehicle has gone up - not really, bought a used truck this week and it was cheaper than buying new but compared to buying the same truck at the same age 6 years ago, I would have paid more

cost to keep up with all the regs. has gone up - where?

TEN YEARS AGO TEN YEARS AGO not last year TEN YEARS AGO

fuel was about 2$ you used 300 gallons is 600 . today fuel is about 4$ you use 300 that would be 1200 . and you get about .15 cents a mile i get 405 you get back not 600
SO I GUESS YOU ARE STILL MAKING MORE THAT WAY

no compare the same thing if you bought a 5 year used truck then what would you pay for a 5 year old truck today

At a time when some of us struggle to get the same freight rates that we were getting TEN YEARS AGO, these raises of White House staffers really chaps.....er......gets under my skin.

Keep in mind that these are only the "top twenty", the lowest of which is a measly 20K!!

 

[greg334]

Wow! is right - do you understand 'theoretical'? I am NOT complaining about Load One - they are a very good carrier and I'm doing well.

Well Load-1 aside, they seem to be the exception, not the rule.

My comments are about the general situation we all face, and how the original premise of so many things [including the 'free market, which gets manipulated all the time] have changed, and not for the better.

Who says it didn't change for the better?

More people are making more money in their pockets in the service chain than they did 20 years ago. If it isn't happening at one end of the scale, maybe it is their fault.

You make it what you make it, if you don't take the risk and work within the box, you limit yourself by limiting yourself. Phil seems to have figured it out, after several years of hearing me tell him he needs to see what the real world is like, not talk to people and write about it - he seems to be doing very well.

I know that if it were possible to raise the rates, Load One would probably be the first carrier to do it - it's the fact that it isn't possible that bothers me.

Possible is there.

No matter how hard we work, it won't change the system, and it's sad to see so many people who are fine with that - hard work should be a path to betterment, why isn't it any more?

OK here is the thing, if you want to change the system, stop thinking like this is the only way to make money in the system and stop thinking that this is the only work around.

Load-1 seems to prove that better things can be done and they are part of the industry and not the only one doing it. IT all depends on how they look over the horizon and how they conduct business with the intention to keep going, not trip over the dollars to chase pennies.

BUT with that said, I stand by my statement, if you want to make more money - CHANGE. AND YES it does take a lot of work and a risk.

 

[greg334]

TEN YEARS AGO TEN YEARS AGO not last year TEN YEARS AGO

So? What's the point?

Prices increase with time ... sometimes it is a shock like I can't beleive the price of batteries for my caravan, $75 is the cheapest I could find while I just got four truck batteries yesterday for $105 each.

fuel was about 2$ you used 300 gallons is 600 . today fuel is about 4$ you use 300 that would be 1200 . and you get about .15 cents a mile i get 405 you get back not 600
SO I GUESS YOU ARE STILL MAKING MORE THAT WAY

Ah ... and?

If you can't adjust your numbers to fit the conditions you work in, well what can I say?

FSC still adjusts the price of fuel down to $1.25 regardless.

no compare the same thing if you bought a 5 year used truck then what would you pay for a 5 year old truck today

I bought a 3 year old truck because I can use it as I would a new one with a third of the costs. The age and mileage is not relative to the use of the truck but the condition is. The money being saved is used for other things which will leverage into better margin in the long term.

Again like I said, think outside the box.

 

[clcooper]

So? What's the point? .

what was the rates TEN YEARS AGO and what are the rates today

Prices increase with time ... sometimes it is a shock like I can't beleive the price of batteries for my caravan, $75 is the cheapest I could find while I just got four truck batteries yesterday for $105 each. .

and this thread is about the prices increaseing BUT THE RATES ARE NOT

Ah ... and?

If you can't adjust your numbers to fit the conditions you work in, well what can I say?

FSC still adjusts the price of fuel down to $1.25 regardless. .

how did you come up with $1.25

fuel was about 2$ you used 300 gallons is 600$ . today fuel is 4$ you use 300$ that would be 1200$ . and you get about .15 cents a mile 10 mpg would be 3000 miles and you will get 450$ back for FSC not 600$

so why is there still 150$ missing

I bought a 3 year old truck because I can use it as I would a new one with a third of the costs. The age and mileage is not relative to the use of the truck but the condition is. The money being saved is used for other things which will leverage into better margin in the long term.

Again like I said, think outside the box.

what would you have to pay for a 3 year old truck TEN YEARS ago . ??

what would you have to pay for a 3 year old truck ??

what regulations was there TEN YEAR ago ???

what regulations is there today ??

from TEN YEARS ago to today what has all the regulations cost ??

 

[Moot]

Hey, how come all those other people are getting raises and I'm not? That's nor fair!

Oh, sorry, forgive me. Had a little liberal entitlement moment there. Never mind. It was brief. It passed. Nothing to worry about.

Like dieseldiva, chefdennis and tbubster like this.


Good one Turtle! But I think some missed the satirical tone of your post.

 

[greg334]

what was the rates TEN YEARS AGO and what are the rates today

Can't tell you what they were but I can tell you that we paid FedEx CC to move a five pound box from Ann Arbor to Parsippany NJ for $4 a mile.

and this thread is about the prices increaseing BUT THE RATES ARE NOT

Depending on who you are it seems. For me I went from an average $1.10 a mile to $2 a mile just by changing companies and then from there I managed my business better and went on a discovery trip to find out what was going on beyond my company - that led me to a lot more than $2 a mile.

By the way, this thread is about crying what others get in an administration that is run by a president many seem to hate, not what our industry is dealing with - the free market.

how did you come up with $1.25

Most companies use either $1.20 or $1.25 to base their fuel surcharge rates on, meaning that they compensate you for the price of fuel by adjusting it down to $1.20 or $1.25. I am one who doesn't really give a crap about it because it really does not mean much - the bottom line does. Leo I think has a great explanation of how it and taxes work.

so why is there still 150$ missing

I guess you need to figure that out, I don't get 15 cents a mile.

what would you have to pay for a 3 year old truck TEN YEARS ago . ??

It would have cost more because it was a seller's market ten years ago, not a buyer's market. Now you can pick up a class 8 truck for less than what a new car costs.

what would you have to pay for a 3 year old truck ??

23 to 25% more - depending on the truck, brand and model.

what regulations was there TEN YEAR ago ???

THE SAME regulations it was ten years ago as it is today.

what regulations is there today ??

from TEN YEARS ago to today what has all the regulations cost ??

NOTHING has changed in the cost or requirements to maintain your truck - hence no more expenses are added because there are no additional regulations.

What has changed is the enforcement of those regulations which I say too bad.

 

[clcooper]

Can't tell you what they were but I can tell you that we paid FedEx CC to move a five pound box from Ann Arbor to Parsippany NJ for $4 a mile. .

what did that driver get paid

Depending on who you are it seems. For me I went from an average $1.10 a mile to $2 a mile just by changing companies and then from there I managed my business better and went on a discovery trip to find out what was going on beyond my company - that led me to a lot more than $2 a mile. .

so what you did is that the same option every body else in the world can do . and you think then every body will all be able to make the same as you .

By the way, this thread is about crying what others get in an administration that is run by a president many seem to hate, not what our industry is dealing with - the free market. .

""How Big Was Your Raise This Year "" is asking what . it is asking you and i if our raises was that high .

and tell me what is a free market . is it the same free market that the 5 families in New York run
or like this one New FTC Rules Ban Deceptive Mortgage Pitches | Mortgage Match News)

Most companies use either $1.20 or $1.25 to base their fuel surcharge rates on, meaning that they compensate you for the price of fuel by adjusting it down to $1.20 or $1.25. I am one who doesn't really give a crap about it because it really does not mean much - the bottom line does. Leo I think has a great explanation of how it and taxes work. .

you dont give a crap about FSC but you preach to people about the stupid thing you think the do with their money . isnt that the pot calling the kettle ( i cant use that word any more or i will be called a raceist )

I guess you need to figure that out, I don't get 15 cents a mile. .

well if i am fingureing it out right . dont you think it would be the right thing to do and tell me how to do it the right way ??

It would have cost more because it was a seller's market ten years ago, not a buyer's market. Now you can pick up a class 8 truck for less than what a new car costs. .

what are the prices .

i dont care if it was 100 years ago any thing USED cost less then NEW . do you always compare apples to pears . you talk about how great of a business man you are put you still cant compare apples to apples and when you start doing that you might even be a better business man

23 to 25% more - depending on the truck, brand and model. .

i forgot to say for a truck today

but where did you come up with 23 to 25 % more compared to what
??today you will pay 23% for then you would of 10 years ago ???

THE SAME regulations it was ten years ago as it is today. .

CSA 2010 was passed tne years ago ??

NOTHING has changed in the cost or requirements to maintain your truck - hence no more expenses are added because there are no additional regulations. .

What has changed is the enforcement of those regulations which I say too bad.

so the HOS changing didnt hurt the cost .

so the fuel prices went up but the oil for the engine stayed the same . and labor cost has not gone up either .
what rock have you been living under the last ten years .
or is it you like saying yes master

 

[layoutshooter]

Let's see. Last year was out best year ever. We worked hard. Cut expenses, worked smarter and had a very nice increase in our profit. Well earned I might say. What happened? Uncle Sam took 50% of that additional profit. Lesson learned. Never again will I work that hard to give it to those who won't.

I saw that same thing in England. Many of my English friends, who ran their own businesses, would stop working each week when they make a certain amount of money because after that point it ALL went to the taxman. Not worth the effort. One works hard to do better for ones self, not to have it taken from them against their will.

 

[greg334]

what did that driver get paid

Don't know, don't care ... we were the customer and it mattered that a box worth more than most carriers was transported to our satisfaction.

so what you did is that the same option every body else in the world can do . and you think then every body will all be able to make the same as you .

Yep sure is. With what I went through in the past, if I can do it, anyone can. NO D*MN EXCUSE NOT TO!

""How Big Was Your Raise This Year "" is asking what . it is asking you and i if our raises was that high .

It is a statement made about the jelious of the raises handed out to the WH staff. You can't compare the two jobs, this one can take no brains but that one maybe a little brains.

and tell me what is a free market . is it the same free market that the 5 families in New York run
or like this one New FTC Rules Ban Deceptive Mortgage Pitches | Mortgage Match News)

What? You my professor? You can't figure it out, look around, it is what we are working in.

What does five families in NYC have to do with anything?

DO you know five families in NYC?

you dont give a crap about FSC but you preach to people about the stupid thing you think the do with their money . isnt that the pot calling the kettle ( i cant use that word any more or i will be called a raceist )

I don't because the FSC is a thing that seems to fool people and is not all about fuel, it is a marketing ploy to keep people in their contract by appeasing them. That is one reason why I didn't know what my company's FSC was and still don't care. I also don't give a crap what others do with their money, but if they want to learn, they can listen to what I and others here say we do with ours. Not in any way the pot calling the kettle black - which isn't racist at all but has to do with iron.

well if i am fingureing it out right . dont you think it would be the right thing to do and tell me how to do it the right way ??

What ever...

what are the prices .

Truckpaper.com You look them up.

i dont care if it was 100 years ago any thing USED cost less then NEW . do you always compare apples to pears . you talk about how great of a business man you are put you still cant compare apples to apples and when you start doing that you might even be a better business man

Do you know what a seller's market is?

The point is ... that if I went back in my way back machine to 2005 and looked at the price of a 2002 truck, that price would be more than if I went back to the present time and looked at a 2009 truck because the market changed and prices have been depressed because of two really big things. You can guess what they are, right?

I don't talk about how great a business man I am, you assume I am talking about it but in fact I am doing well. Comparing apples to pears, apples to plums or apples to cat turds is not the the thing you are talking about, you don't see what I am saying and assume that this is the little world we all have to work with when it is not.

i forgot to say for a truck today

but where did you come up with 23 to 25 % more compared to what
??today you will pay 23% for then you would of 10 years ago ???

I did say for today, the price is 23 o 25% lower than it was. I have my quotes from 2005 from Alumibunk and Edelbaum so you can go in your way back machine and look for yourself.

You figure out why the prices are cheaper yet?

CSA 2010 was passed tne years ago ??

Absolutely true that IT WASN'T PASSED .... butttttttttt ... read exactly what I said.

NOTHING has changed in the cost or requirements to maintain your truck - hence no more expenses are added because there are no additional regulations.

What has changed is the enforcement of those regulations which I say too bad.

So to simplify it a bit ... CSA didn't add anything onto the owner or operator of the truck that was not already there, so nope is not counted as a legit increase because we are to maintain those things in the first place.

so the HOS changing didnt hurt the cost .

NOPE, the changes didn't but the ambiguity of the future has.

so the fuel prices went up but the oil for the engine stayed the same . and labor cost has not gone up either

Well I see that my oil has actually dropped in price for me - because I found a better source of it instead of the truck stop with a 50% mark up - compared to 2005

Labor has been OK, with the same amount of money to put on brakes this time around on my truck - $200 per side - it has been stable. I do my own work other than tires (which have gone up but compensated for the increase) and brakes as I mentioned. I will be doing a clutch by the end of the year, I've done overheads, injectors and in the next week will be replacing a head gasket on another truck I got really for nothing. So labor isn't really an issue.

what rock have you been living under the last ten years

Nope not living under a rock, just the opposite - sorry to disappoint you.

or is it you like saying yes master

That's kind of rather disappointing comment there, I thought much more of you than to say that.

I'm not saying you need to do what I say but what I'm saying is that there is a level that you and anyone else can reach that will make you a hell of a lot more money than that $1.65 a mile and sitting for that average 38 hours waiting for the QC to beep. Everyone and anyone can do it if they really want to take the time to learn and not be a prisoner to the carrier.