How Big Was Your Raise This Year.....

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
chefdennis wrote:

I have made more money each yr have been in this business and this yr i will do it running less miles...

Cheri wrote:

Not the point, and you know it.

Title of the thread:

How Big Was Your Raise This Year.....

I answered the question asked in the TITLE OF THE THREAD...

Cheri wrote:

IOW, the concepts of right, fair, reasonable, and just have no place in business decisions - only maximum profit [for the decisionmakers] matters - is that it?

You forgot the investors, you know the people that are "Shareholders"...those everyday people that invest their money in a corp and would like a "ROI"....oh and you forgot the pension funds that also invest their pensioners money in corp. also....so yea, it is about that filthy greedy word profit...
 

Camper

Not a Member
.Makeing sure those union workers get them bonuses our tax dollars at work!!!!!!!:eek:I know I know it was not a bonus it was a profit sharing check,Will my tax dollars helped GM make that profit where is my profit sharing check??Thats right Obama gets it in the form of campaign contributions.

Maybe I'll go into my nearest GM dealership and ask for a rebate equivalent to my share of the bailout.
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Maybe I'll go into my nearest GM dealership and ask for a rebate equivalent to my share of the bailout.

I heard for your part of the rebate you can go remove parts off of the vehicles on the lot or take gas out of them. As a matter of courtesy they have requested that you do this late at night so you don't interfere with customers.

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Camper

Not a Member
I heard for your part of the rebate you can go remove parts off of the vehicles on the lot or take gas out of them. As a matter of courtesy they have requested that you do this late at night so you don't interfere with customers.

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And I suppose an Ebay listing service is included as part of the package. :rolleyes:
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Hey, how come all those other people are getting raises and I'm not? That's nor fair!

Oh, sorry, forgive me. Had a little liberal entitlement moment there. Never mind. It was brief. It passed. Nothing to worry about.

I don't think there's ever been such a thing as a brief liberal entitlement. It's an oxymoron. :confused:
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I don't think there's ever been such a thing as a brief liberal entitlement. It's an oxymoron. :confused:
I don't think there ever has been, either. But in any case, that's not what I said.

I said I had a moment, with moment being the noun, and liberal entitlement being the adjectives to describe the moment, which was brief. :)
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I don't think there ever has been, either. But in any case, that's not what I said.

I said I had a moment, with moment being the noun, and liberal entitlement being the adjectives to describe the moment, which was brief. :)

I know... just connecting words.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Hey, how come all those other people are getting raises and I'm not? That's nor fair!

Oh, sorry, forgive me. Had a little liberal entitlement moment there. Never mind. It was brief. It passed. Nothing to worry about.

I think it's a perfectly FAIR question after so many years of drivers getting the same rates [in some cases, even less]. Why aren't we included in the cost of living hikes that are necessary just to stay in the same place? When might we expect to be compensated with the same consideration shown the lowest level employee?
If it's liberal entitlement to expect to be paid FAIRLY, same as anyone else who works hard and does the job well, then call me liberal - but you can do it without the snide cracks, cause you're a pretty smart guy, mostly.



 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
chefdennis wrote:



Cheri wrote:



Title of the thread:

How Big Was Your Raise This Year.....

I answered the question asked in the TITLE OF THE THREAD...

No, you did not. You said you made more money, but it's not because the rates you are paid were raised.

Cheri wrote:



You forgot the investors, you know the people that are "Shareholders"...those everyday people that invest their money in a corp and would like a "ROI"....oh and you forgot the pension funds that also invest their pensioners money in corp. also....so yea, it is about that filthy greedy word profit..

I'm sure the investors would like a ROI, but when did investment morph from a risk [hoping for a larger payout] to a guaranteed profit?
Now who's showing an entitlement mentality, eh?
Even to the point of demanding that a company increase it's profits, however they can: layoffs, benefit cuts [to the low level workers, natch], whatever works, because those investors are ENTITLED to a profit, and to an increase in said profit every year, too.
But those of us who make good on the promises the company extends to each customer, we are not, huh?
 

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
Cheri wrote:

But those of us who make good on the promises the company extends to each customer, we are not, huh?

Doe your owner hold a gun to your head to force you to drive for him at the rates he payes you?? I know no one at Load 1 is holding a gun to your head...

As for Shareholders being entitled to a profit..nope, its till a risk..just ask those bond holders that barry screwed over when he forced the BK of GM....its all risk based, but low or no returns and even losses usually end up with less investment, that a company will do all it can to keep iinvestors...its the way it is and should be....

No one is entitled to a job, you don't get one just because you were born...no one starts a business to provide employment..it comes because the company needs people to provide their labor ...the business pays what it does to maintain profitability..if thats not enough, then don't work there, it really is that simple....and it certainly isn't the governments place to provide jobs that add to the economy...and the offer from the governement to give "tax breaks" for each employee that a company hires is nothing short of stupid for companies that aren't in need of employees when no one os buying their products or services....are companies just suppose to hire people just to make sure thay have a job? If there is no need or production to support them, who is suppose to pay for them??? that is the stupidity in barry offering tax breaks to companies that don't have a need for employees..

Oh and yes i did answer the thread titles quetion, by stating i have made more each yr i am stating i have had a raise each yr...the fact that i am doing it this yr while driving less was stated at the end of the post where i was saying barry had nothing to do with the increase in the money i have made...

Oh and to answer your question in the quote above, no, you aren't...its what is expected from you each tie you except the haul....you except it at the offered rate, beyond that...nothing else is due....
 

clcooper

Expert Expediter
because the new batch of steering wheel holders will run it for cheaper and there is always a new batch willing to run for cheaper. If people would just say no, that is not enough then thing would turn around.

would you think the ones that are willing to run it cheaper . do you think they are trying to be hard workers . and to stay working . if not they will be called lazy . and today there is more jobs for people. then there is unemployed people .
RIGHT
 

clcooper

Expert Expediter
Doe your owner hold a gun to your head to force you to drive for him at the rates he payes you?? ....

"gun to your head "so today with unemployment super low and so many companies looking for workers what would you be doing . takeing the rates or telling them to shove that rate

As for Shareholders being entitled to a profit..nope, its till a risk..just ask those bond holders that barry screwed over when he forced the BK of GM....its all risk based, but low or no returns and even losses usually end up with less investment, that a company will do all it can to keep iinvestors...its the way it is and should be........
i bet those bond handers got their money back .
what risk do they take when they know the govenment will bail them out .
it SHOULD BE the investors are making the rules so they dont lose any money at all . but everybody else is to loss their money RIGHT . THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE ??

No one is entitled to a job, you don't get one just because you were born.........
you only get a entitled to a job if you were not born in the USA .


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.no one starts a business to provide employment..it comes because the company needs people to provide their labor ...
so the company needs workers .


.the business pays what it does to maintain profitability..if thats not enough, then don't work there, it really is that simple........


and the workers work for what reason ?? if not for their profitability . oh that is right only the businesses are aloud to make a profit
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and were will the company be with out the workers

TO MAINTAIN PROFITABILITY . TO MAINTAIN is the clue you are not seeing . so a company makes 1 million gross 5 workers and the owner . after all bills are paid and some put back for next year . left with 550,000 . you saying that it SHOULD BE PAID OUT THIS WAY . 5 workers each get 20,000 for the year and the owner gets 450,000 .

i ask would that owner ever make the 1 million with out those 5 workers .
and since the 5 workers did the job this year will probley do a better job next year the should be less mistakes and get more done .
who SHOULD BENEFIT from that . so the workers still SHOULD only get 20,000 ??

so glad the company need SLAVES opps i mean workers . TO MAINTAIN A PROFITABILITY
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Cheri wrote:



Doe your owner hold a gun to your head to force you to drive for him at the rates he payes you?? I know no one at Load 1 is holding a gun to your head...

No one needs to use a gun, when the 'choice' is take it or leave it, and it's the same choice wherever you go, if you leave it.
The point is whether everyone who contributes to a success should be included in the rewards of that success, or only some of them. Is a driver's contribution and effort worth less than the office staff's?


As for Shareholders being entitled to a profit..nope, its till a risk..just ask those bond holders that barry screwed over when he forced the BK of GM..
Investors should accept that the risk is part of the deal, win or lose. It was originally a win-win proposition: investors had more money than they knew what to do with, so they used it to finance someone with a potentially profitable product or service, but no money to make it happen. Both parties stood to make good profits, without risking any more than they could afford - a perfect match. Now, investors are demanding a profit, and the times they don't get it they scream bloody murder.
.its all risk based, but low or no returns and even losses usually end up with less investment, that a company will do all it can to keep iinvestors...its the way it is and should be....
The way it is, yes. The way it should be? I don't think so. A well run company shouldn't NEED investors, and when they do have some, investors shouldn't be forcing management's decisions - if the investors are going to make they decisions, who needs management?

No one is entitled to a job, you don't get one just because you were born...no one starts a business to provide employment..it comes because the company needs people to provide their labor ...the business pays what it does to maintain profitability..if thats not enough, then don't work there, it really is that simple....and it certainly isn't the governments place to provide jobs that add to the economy...and the offer from the governement to give "tax breaks" for each employee that a company hires is nothing short of stupid for companies that aren't in need of employees when no one os buying their products or services....are companies just suppose to hire people just to make sure thay have a job? If there is no need or production to support them, who is suppose to pay for them??? that is the stupidity in barry offering tax breaks to companies that don't have a need for employees..
Did you read the comment "Keep kicking a dog, eventually he'll bite'? And do you understand that the constant refrain "Nobody is entitled to a job. Or healthcare. Or to be treated as a human who would like to contribute, but can not find the 'opportunity' that people keep insisting is out there [people who clearly haven't had to look for a job any time lately!] is very much like kicking a dog?

Oh and yes i did answer the thread titles quetion, by stating i have made more each yr i am stating i have had a raise each yr...the fact that i am doing it this yr while driving less was stated at the end of the post where i was saying barry had nothing to do with the increase in the money i have made...
You don't get it, do you? Making more money does not equal a raise!!! There are many ways to make more money, but a raise has one meaning only, and you didn't get one. [Or you did, and aren't talking about it, which I don't believe is the case.]

Oh and to answer your question in the quote above, no, you aren't...its what is expected from you each tie you except the haul....you except it at the offered rate, beyond that...nothing else is due....
As far as the offered rate: does the phrase 'taxation without representation' mean anything to you? What it means to me is that the wise men who created the Constitution, Declaration, and Bill of Rights were all about being fair - they didn't believe that 'might makes right', and neither do I.
I'll save the rest for another time, I'm still working it out in my head.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Wow!

If you try to compare what we do to the government, you need to get more work and spend less time on the internet because government doesn't produce anything.

If you want to make more money in this type of business and ...

you are a driver - buy a truck

you are an owner/operator - get your authority

you have an authority - get more trucks in your fleet

BECAUSE ...

this is the real world where the market is not fair to those who expect to be coddled and competition is part of the free market that everyone WANTS who seems to b*tch about obama.

If you expect some sort of intervention into the markets to get rates higher from outside - dream on ... because it starts with you FOCUSING on your business while improving the relationship with your owner/carrier/customer to put the effort into sabotaging other people in this business by being competitive.

By the way, why isn't anyone posting their income so we can see their raise?
 

clcooper

Expert Expediter
fuel cost has gone up
cost for a vehicle has gone up .
cost to keep up with all the regs. has gone up .
what else did i forget ??

now has the pay gone up to match all the others ??


i got a ?? for load 1 drivers . why are you and the others happy with load 1 ??

why didnt you stay at your old carrier.
would you go back to you old carrier today
if not why not

from what i have seen load 1 treats you like a human being . not a steering wheel holder and you are dime a dozen .
pays a good price .
pays for other stuff .that other carriers never even thought about paying for to start with

i havent seen anything about them riping off anybodys pay in any way . and as soon as load 1 knows about a mistake they take care of it . they dont tell you if you dont like it you can go some where else .

and what does the waiting list look like . ???
 
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