How about a shotgun?

[seekerman]

I'm not comfortable on the road without being armed. Lots of good responses to Thom75's post about pistols. How about a shotgun. Would that fall into the same category as a pistol. Not much chance of it being concealed; as a matter of fact, it would probably be better to keep it in plain view. Thoughts?

 

[seekerman]

Sorry It was idtrans's post.

 

[ATeam]

If you are not comfortable on the road without being armed, have you considered the possibility that the road may not be for you? I would love to carry a pistol if they would let me but the road is a fantastic place to live and work just the same.

As far as displaying a weapon goes, lots of people would covet a nice shotgun and may take it upon themselves to make your gun their own. It would not be hard to do by an able-bodied person with patience and a plan.

 

[greg334]

Same thing as I said before, ever use one in close quarters?

A shotgun has an uncontrolled pattern, can do some damage.

I agree with Phil, maybe you need to rethink the on the road thing.

 

[ebsprintin]

Any restrictions are related to firearms. It's not an issue of it being concealed.

eb

 

[LDB]

You never show your cards till the end of the hand. You never rack a shotgun so the bad guy hears it to be "scared away". All that does for certain is give away your location and what you have for protection. Additionally, it puts you one round short of a full load since in most cases you aren't going to think to add a shell or else you aren't going to have time to add a shell.

 

[layoutshooter]

Same thing as I said before, ever use one in close quarters?

A shotgun has an uncontrolled pattern, can do some damage.

I agree with Phil, maybe you need to rethink the on the road thing.

Uncontrolled pattern? None of mine are uncontrolled. In fact, I spend a lot of money to control my patterns. Can do SOME damage? There is NO other weapon I would rather use in close quarters than a good, fast shotgun. NOTHING is more effective inside of 30 yards, like in your house.

I agree, as much as I would like to be armed out here it sounds like this guy needs to rethink some things.

 

[xiggi]

I have owned guns since my father gave me my first shotgun as a 10 y/o. But I have to be honest and say the statement "I'm not comfortable on the road without being armed" makes me uncomfortable.

 

[chefdennis]

If i was going to carry a shotgun in the van, it would be a Mossberg 500 Cruiser or Mariner. Pistol grip, 12 ga, 18.5 inch barrel, 6 shot, pump action.

You can get it in several setups and gauges 12 ga, 20 aND 410.

O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc. - Firearms, Shotguns, Rifles, Accessories, and Precision Machining

I wouldn't ever question your feeling of needing a weapon on your body or in your truck at all times, but I would add that there is never a time to use a firearm ad a deterent...the only time that you raise a firearm at another person is to use it....so leaving it in plain sight is just crazy......

 

[greg334]

Uncontrolled pattern? None of mine are uncontrolled.

Sorry layout, you can not control the pattern of a shotgun while in motion. The choke can only do so much as to setup the pattern when leaving the muzzle, there are always shot that will not hit the target but surrounding areas outside the intended pattern.

The actually odd thing that no one seems to be mentioning is the use of the weapon when being confronted by someone. If this happened here, say in my state and the person was armed with a knife, there may be a chance you will end up with a murder charge. I think NY is worst than that, you may end up with multiple charges.

This leads me to another thing, how would you know the person was a threat to you unless you see a weapon, like a pistol? If you see one, would you think you have a chance of pulling a shotgun out, loading it and then using it?

 

[iceroadtrucker]

Simply put you dont need a Pistol, Rifle, ShotGun.
You dont need a Knife.

How ever mom and pops in those Big houses have steak Knives, tec speaking if they go on a base they are over length and considered a weapon.

Some one said dont bring a knife to a gun fight.
I tell you what You can have your gun and Ill take the Knife if Im within 21ft of you your done.

Ya dont need no Pistol, Rifle or Shot Gun nor do you need a taser or Peper spray nor do you need a Knife. or that fancy hatchet they came out with.

You got somthing that is all quite legal and its in everyones cab and no Im not talking about your tire buddy you can forget about that too.

Yup We got it in the cab its our Trusty fire Extinguisher.
somthing for you to think about.

They teach it in the Schools if you went to a good one.
Now forget about all the other stuff its just going to get ya in to trouble.

Fire Extinguishers Rule.

 

[seekerman]

lol. I guess my statement ""I'm not comfortable on the road without being armed"
scared everybody. You guys must think I'm a maniac. I just simply subscribe to the adage "Better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it.
Don't wory guys. If I'm fortunate enough to meet some of you out there you don't have to worry about me going postal on you. I'm just trying to feel my way through this thing. Thanks.

 

[layoutshooter]

Sorry layout, you can not control the pattern of a shotgun while in motion. The choke can only do so much as to setup the pattern when leaving the muzzle, there are always shot that will not hit the target but surrounding areas outside the intended pattern.

The actually odd thing that no one seems to be mentioning is the use of the weapon when being confronted by someone. If this happened here, say in my state and the person was armed with a knife, there may be a chance you will end up with a murder charge. I think NY is worst than that, you may end up with multiple charges.

This leads me to another thing, how would you know the person was a threat to you unless you see a weapon, like a pistol? If you see one, would you think you have a chance of pulling a shotgun out, loading it and then using it?

First off, I can control the pattern while moving the gun, just as all those dead ducks. I only missed one all last year. Ducks are WAY faster than people AND much smaller.

Second, I NEVER carry a shotgun for protection. ONLY a legal handgun and rarely do that.

In my house I have NO requirement to retreat. It is my LEGAL refuge under Michigan law. I can, and will if forced too, use deadly force in my home. It is my right to defend the life of my wife, my life AND my property. The is one of the primary reasons we have the Second Amendment to the Constitution. Self Defense. I have a shotgun in a "safe" but "ready" spot when I am home. As well as my handgun and my wife's.

By the way Greg, you are NOT correct on the knife issue in Michigan. IF attacked OR threatend by a knife wielding attacker, having NO place to retreat, it IS legal for me to use deadly force, under Michigan law. I don't care about NY, I don't live there and seldom leave my truck when in that area.

 

[greg334]

First off, I can control the pattern while moving the gun, just as all those dead ducks. I only missed one all last year. Ducks are WAY faster than people AND much smaller.

Look the point I am trying to make is you can't control objects that are flying out of a gun, be it pellets or bullets. We as humans are not capable of that.

When you have a movement like moving a long weapon from left to right, and the the gun goes off during that sweep, can you tell me with some confidence that you will only hit that person who is standing 15 feet away and nothing else AND can you ensure that everyone else can?

By the way Greg, you are NOT correct on the knife issue in Michigan. IF attacked OR threatend by a knife wielding attacker, having NO place to retreat, it IS legal for me to use deadly force, under Michigan law. I don't care about NY, I don't live there and seldom leave my truck when in that area.

Ah ... better check the past court cases in the state. There is a lot of people who were charges and convicted for using deadly force on another. No retreat is relative to the person, I can feel trapped in an open parking lot in some situations.

You may not care about NY but the point is that if someone is carrying a weapon and uses it in NY, killing someone who is perceived as attacking them, the NY laws apply, not Michigan's.

 

[layoutshooter]

Look the point I am trying to make is you can't control objects that are flying out of a gun, be it pellets or bullets. We as humans are not capable of that.

When you have a movement like moving a long weapon from left to right, and the the gun goes off during that sweep, can you tell me with some confidence that you will only hit that person who is standing 15 feet away and nothing else AND can you ensure that everyone else can?




Ah ... better check the past court cases in the state. There is a lot of people who were charges and convicted for using deadly force on another. No retreat is relative to the person, I can feel trapped in an open parking lot in some situations.

You may not care about NY but the point is that if someone is carrying a weapon and uses it in NY, killing someone who is perceived as attacking them, the NY laws apply, not Michigan's.

Yes I can say, with 100% certainty that no one else would be hit inside my home which is the ONLY place I would be using a shotgun for self defense. ONE of the MAIN reasons to use a shotgun in the home is that, when using the proper load, the shot will NOT penetrate the wall and hit someone out in the street.

Michigan CCW law states that I have to make every effort to retreat and when retreat is no longer able I am LEGALLY allowed to use deadly force to defend my life. Retreat is NOT required inside your home, that is your LEGAL refuge and NO ONE has ANY legal reason to break in. You are allowed to assume a life threat in your house. Not all ways advised but it is legal.

I do not carry in my truck so NY is not an issue.

 

[highway star]

lol. I guess my statement ""I'm not comfortable on the road without being armed"
scared everybody.

It didn't scare me, but it does suggest some kind of therapy might do you some good. Or, on the other hand, maybe I need some help, because I've never even come close to wishing I was carrying a weapon. Not even for a fraction of a second. And I've been to inner city areas that are as bad as it gets.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Ok... this thread goes from a guy asking a question to arguing about shotgun spray patterns.

My suggestion is to ask a DOT cop what a concealed weapon is, and whether you're able to keep an unloaded shotgun in the truck. Again, I contend that you can. Either a shotgun or rifle is legal to transport in a truck. I heard it from a DOT cop on the Sirius trucking show.

As far as not feeling comfortable without one... that's your prerogative.

 

[xiggi]

it matters not what the law says if your carrier says you cannot. Someone will scream about the IC thing but that does not make any difference if it is part of your contract.

 

[layoutshooter]

it matters not what the law says if your carrier says you cannot. Someone will scream about the IC thing but that does not make any difference if it is part of your contract.

IC thing? I signed a contract that includes no carry, I don't carry. Easy.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Absolutely, if you sign on with a carrier that says no, you can't. But I think we're talking legalities here.