Very well said and ALL true.....
Ground flight : modern day crooks?
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Very well said and ALL true.....
spongebox1
Expert Expediter
Its the lack of respect and ethics I'm concerned with, they are not new employees, I know the pitfalls of this career and as do they, its the company saying and agreeing to one thing on a contract or agreement and then changing it when they deem to!
I've witnessed first hand how GFS has no regard for the " independent contractors " they drive under there authority and are trusting that they have there best interests in mind but that's not the case 9 out if ten times.
There are many of these shady companies out here and I think its only fair to let others know how the bad ones operate, some of us are lucky to have people looking out for us and keeping our needs important as well as the companies but there needs to be some accountability when it comes to treating the ones who do the grunt work like that...IMHO
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letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
The contracted terms are what they are, however, you have not sufficiently shared what those terms are. If you want to make a point about a specific aspect of those terms you should post an example of what you are talking about. At this point you seem like nothing more than a disgruntled former GF driver.
The only way you could have experienced this "first hand" as you say is to have driven for this company. Again, I smell disgruntled former driver...
You are dangerously close to Libel. "Shady" is a relative term. A company "looking out" for you? If you are an independent contractor, by very definition you are not being looked out for.
pandora2112
Seasoned Expediter
Nope we have never driven for them, but we know someone who did drive for them...they are very close friends and spongebox looks out for his friends and family pretty closely. And btw our company looks out for us, respects us and truly cares...I know it's hard to believe but there are those types of companies out there!
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Well, where is the contract? Do you know what it said in the contract that was not honored? How about the flocks of other drivers. I don't see any other drivers coming on here saying they were ripped off or mistreated. Why doesn't your friend come on here and tell his side of the story?
pandora2112
Seasoned Expediter
He's not on eo nor does he have internet access at the moment...believe what you will, no skin off my back I'm not changing my opinion nor going into specifics that will harm current employees...though I will say I hear Dave the other owner is better and tries to honor what the employees were told.
I refuse to be the cause of retribution on current employees...I respect other's choice to stay anonymous at the moment.
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I refuse to be the cause of retribution on current employees...I respect other's choice to stay anonymous at the moment.
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pandora2112
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Oh and when I asked for an opinion about gf before someone I know went to work there I could only find one or two employees on eo....at the time the reviews weren't bad but some kind of ownership/partnership dispute happened and things changed at gf. At least the employees were told there was some dispute and basically asked to be patient. As with all things changes occur and sometimes they in end causing meltdowns.
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letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
Hogwash. You could post what you deem to be the problems with the contract without any retribution to anyone! You have chosen to stir up a controversy and then not provide the specifics. I believe they refer to that as "trolling"...
pandora2112
Seasoned Expediter
Call it what you want everyone here has an opinion I've seen people post all kinds of stuff and I believe spongebox went over his issues...I don't have a contract with them and apparently we're not allowed to express our opinions like everyone else does all the time? Excuse me post police....
When specific issues point to certain drivers then retribution can happen, what are you their cheerleader? If you are you might want to also tell them their website contains mass errors and looks unprofessional. Paul Moyer has experience in expiditing and some pages say Lanstar others say Landstar!
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When specific issues point to certain drivers then retribution can happen, what are you their cheerleader? If you are you might want to also tell them their website contains mass errors and looks unprofessional. Paul Moyer has experience in expiditing and some pages say Lanstar others say Landstar!
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letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
This is exactly the point! You have taken someone else's opinion and attempted to promote it as fact.
That's right.. Just the facts ma'am, just the facts...
Ok, so don't point to a certain driver! You said there is a problem with the contract. Point to the contract, not a single driver.
Nope, I am Stew, seeker of the truth! In fact, if you would just tell the truth I might even bow to your inner God!
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underdog777
Seasoned Expediter
I here its who you drive for at ground flight they have dispatchers with trucks. so we know who stays moving
Having an opinion is one thing, but when you state things as facts without backing them up, it's dancing all around libel. Those drivers you don't want any retribution against are probably already experiencing it, whether they deserve it or not, or at the very least are getting a real close examination and will be watched very closely for a while. Human nature.
spongebox1
Expert Expediter
Liable? Really? Come now ... I'm no former employee , if I were to post certain names than that might be considered liable, I'm more at hearsay than anything,
I think for the sake of argument I will simply say that " I am not now nor have I ever been employed by the before mentioned co "
I have been told that I have a rather bleek opinion of other companies because I work for honest and caring people and in that aspect I've become jaded with other places, if that's the case so be it but myself like all of you are entitled to our opinions and I guess I should do the politically correct thing and keep my opinion to myself or a close group of friends and not un the court of public opinion, so thanks everyone and we now return you to your regular scheduled program....
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I think for the sake of argument I will simply say that " I am not now nor have I ever been employed by the before mentioned co "
I have been told that I have a rather bleek opinion of other companies because I work for honest and caring people and in that aspect I've become jaded with other places, if that's the case so be it but myself like all of you are entitled to our opinions and I guess I should do the politically correct thing and keep my opinion to myself or a close group of friends and not un the court of public opinion, so thanks everyone and we now return you to your regular scheduled program....
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spongebox1
Expert Expediter
Actually getting on here might have helped them it seems, I will bow out and say thanks for listening!
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Current or former employer or not, naming names or not, hearsay or not, when you say something defamatory about someone or a business entity, something that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents the person or entity and cannot be supported by facts, that's libel.
At this point you're on your own. But if you start mentioning names or getting specific without any supporting evidence, then you're dragging EO into the mix, making them complicit in the accusations. I wouldn't recommend you do that, 'cause it'll get moderated appropriately (and then people'll whine that we're protecting advertisers or some crap like that.
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At this point you're on your own. But if you start mentioning names or getting specific without any supporting evidence, then you're dragging EO into the mix, making them complicit in the accusations. I wouldn't recommend you do that, 'cause it'll get moderated appropriately (and then people'll whine that we're protecting advertisers or some crap like that.
)For one it specifically says they pay all fuel costs. THEY DO NOT... They give you a national average. Unless you are in 1 of 5 specific states you are losing money. Sometimes as much as 70 to 80 cents a gallon.. For two, since January the runs have been pathetic. There is no chance to save money when every run is costing you an arm and a leg and the runs are few and far between. You need to quit blaming everything on the driver and open your **** eyes to what is going. Companies cant expect drivers to live on $40 one **** time in ten days. Have you ever heard of bills. Everyone has them unless your the spoiled brat that mommy and daddy pay everything. This is not a one time thing with this company. It is all the **** time. So open your eyes, take the silver spoon out of your mouth, and quit blaming the drivers for everything...
Ever heard of the INDIVIDUAL taking responsibility?......IF this business or more specific carrier isn't paying the bills....Get the heck OUT of it! LEAVE...GOODBYE....Don't blame anyone but yourself for trying to hang on to this God forsaken thing we do here. As easily you chose to get into this you can leave the same way....to be CLEAR I am addressing anyone and everyone that is bi!ching about this business, just not Cbox here....
You may be right. The right to offer per diem is up to them. But when their drivers are specifically told 4 to 5 times they are entitled to it and then when it comes time to pay it make up some excuse to get out of it that is low. And also I agree you need to be looking for other employment if you cant make it out there. But when drivers are told one thing and the exact opposite happens, it is not the drivers fault. If you cant count on your owner then who can you count on? Trust is a major issue in this business.
Im sure with these drivers that are considered to be "crybabies" its more a matter of going after what is promised then it is to just be whining and complaining for no reason. If you were promised for example 32 cents a mile and constantly only get 30 cents a mile would you be on the phone wandering what is going on. I know I would. Fact of the matter is I cant speak for any individual driver but when 5 to 6 drivers at a time have these very similar stories it tells me something wrong is going on and they are just trying to get what was promised to them in the first place