Ground flight : modern day crooks?

pandora2112

Seasoned Expediter
Blizzard we have seen the same thing from our drivers...poor planning etc but when an overwhelming consensus of previous and current company drivers are not moving nor being paid then something isn't right. And he didn't pay them in money that's for sure! Though according to the gf website Paul's experience is in expiditing not expediting maybe that explains his policies and bad taste he's leaving in people's mouth for working for gf.

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davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
its like this a small company will let you sit for 10 days in laredo where the big company will sity you 5=7 days in yes that the great and powerful panther!! id be more mad with panther knowing they should have the more customers to get me out of there, and you will never here them say we will compensate you for sitting for 5 days since we didnt get you loaded. it is what is gf ive heard good and bad but not just cause they cant get you out of laredo, hell the big cat will do you the same way

Don't know on vans but they will empty move a straight or tractor out of there if you have been there longer than 24 hours. If you decided against that, well there ya go.
 

pandora2112

Seasoned Expediter
For us personally lately can't get to Laredo without our company owner teasing us by saying Are you there yet? We have a pick up before we've delivered...

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blizzard2014

Veteran Expediter
Driver
For us personally lately can't get to Laredo without our company owner teasing us by saying Are you there yet? We have a pick up before we've delivered...

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Yes, but you're in a straight truck. The cargo van segment is a bit slower. Can't compare a straight truck with a cargo van!
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Don't know on vans but they will empty move a straight or tractor out of there if you have been there longer than 24 hours.
Trust me... they'll let a van sit and rot. There's simply no need for them to move a van, because unlike trucks, they are not short of vans anywhere they could move a van to. Panther empty moving a van is a very rare thing indeed.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
In Laredo last weekend I was parked next to a yellow ex Penske cube. Had bold decals on the box "Ground Flight LLC" and small decals on the door. Was being driven by a team.
Did their health club deal fall through?
 

21cExp

Veteran Expediter
Trust me... they'll let a van sit and rot. There's simply no need for them to move a van, because unlike trucks, they are not short of vans anywhere they could move a van to. Panther empty moving a van is a very rare thing indeed.

Panther, and a pantheon of others, from what I can tell and have experienced personally.
 

spongebox1

Expert Expediter
I'm glad some people have a sense of humor guys.....lmmfao do you popcorn salt?

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pandora2112

Seasoned Expediter
Can't compare a penkse truck to a cv or st either...they have different hauling weights, etc.
I really would love to go into more detail about what is going on at ground flight but I'm not going at the present until I don't fear getting the drivers I know there in trouble for what's going on...after what I've seen and heard gf isn't above taking it out on the drivers.

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davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
Can't compare a penkse truck to a cv or st either...they have different hauling weights, etc.
I really would love to go into more detail about what is going on at ground flight but I'm not going at the present until I don't fear getting the drivers I know there in trouble for what's going on...after what I've seen and heard gf isn't above taking it out on the drivers.

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Especially the "crybabies" the owner refers to. ;)
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Especially the "crybabies" the owner refers to. ;)

That comment is a key indicator of the types of things I'm sure drivers hear from the office. "What do you mean you can't drive 1400 miles straight through?" "I'm sure it doesn't need 4 wheels, quit being a safety fruit and just run it".

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spongebox1

Expert Expediter
That comment is a key indicator of the types of things I'm sure drivers hear from the office. "What do you mean you can't drive 1400 miles straight through?" "I'm sure it doesn't need 4 wheels, quit being a safety fruit and just run it".

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If you only heard the things those dispatches told the drivers to do, I've been within ear shot of a few calls so I can say with honesty they are trying to push the envelope!

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letzrockexpress

Veteran Expediter
It doesn't matter where the blame lies. What matters is, either your making money or your not. Finding ways to survive is just that.... survival. Making money has nothing to do with learning to survive.

Quite true. How to survive for at least 30 days should have been determined before that van or truck ever left the owner's lot (or home if an o/o). In this business, when somebody sits for 10 days in any kind of vehicle, regardless of who owns it, who runs it, who finds the freight for it, what color it is, what the nationality of the owner or driver is, whether or not it has windows or signs, what the GVW is, etc. etc., the owner and the driver are going broke. Period. Sitting in Laredo for 10 days? Seriously? For the rate you are likely to get if and when you finally get a load? I hate to be the one to break it to you but it's Walmart time. It's time to go home and fill out the application for greeter at the employment kiosk at Walmart.

If you are running for van rates, a 10 day wait IS NOT SUSTAINABLE!! It is going to put you far enough behind the eight ball that you are going to go belly up. Maybe not this month, maybe not next month, but by the third month you will be done. There too many factor working against you, even when you really know what you are doing. As far as the ex Penske big yellows go, at 10MPG, your margins are weak even if your deadhead is nil and you get a decent load every day. reduce that to even 3 days are week and you doing little more than trading dollars.

Additionally, it is not the carrier or fleet owner's responsibility to offer a per diem, a draw, an advance, or whatever you want to call it. Basic human compassion is one thing and I get that but from a business standpoint it is the Independent Contractor's responsibility to pay for living expenses. If it were me sitting in somebody else's hot van in Laredo for even one day I would be re-evaluating my decision to enter this business, NOT the layover practices of the fleet owner.
 
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