Gps warning: Don't buy magellan

rikd57

Seasoned Expediter
Just a heads up to fellow expediters who are considering the purchase of a GPS --DO NOT buy Magellan:mad:. I have purchased two of them in the past few months. Both were at least two years out of date and they require you to pay $10 to have an update sent to you -- they say that the update is free but the $10 is for shipping the postage stamp-sized sd-card... yeah free--not! before my TOM TOM was stolen, I could update it by simply downloading from the internet. Magellan does NOT offer this feature. Also, the most recent update offered by Magellan is from the Spring of 2009--
I'm currently driving a van so I don't need the PC Miler units, but I would recommend those for the guys with trucks.
 

ChrisGa23

Expert Expediter
I got a magellan and its a good gps. Mine has out of date maps from 2008 or so but it gets me by. What my GPS dont find my phone does. 9.8 times out of 10 it gets me to where I need to be.
 

rfields200

Seasoned Expediter
My Magellan works great. I can update it from the internet if I want to. It works much better the the Qualcomm GPS
 

guido4475

Not a Member
I have the Cobra 7000 and love it, although not perfect, it does work good.Their customer service is awesome, as well.
 

Videodrome

Seasoned Expediter
So far I've been using Streets & Trips on my laptop. It has an external GPS sensor that plugs into the USB port and I bungie cord it to the seat.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Video: much as I like Streets & Trips, do yourself [and your laptop, not to mention everyone sharing the road with you] a favor, and get a GPS to use while driving, please.
The time it takes to look over, change your focus to the screen, process the info, look back to the windshield & process THAT info, you could get in real trouble.
A GPS is placed in your line of vision, so you don't have to turn your head - it's like looking in the side mirrors. It really is much safer to use a GPS while moving, and the basic models [Garmin Nuvi] are pretty affordable now.
Besides, securing the laptop to the seat won't protect it from falling/flying objects if you have to jam on the brakes.....:eek:
 

Videodrome

Seasoned Expediter
Well I've recognized that as a short coming along with any other potential distractions from modern gadgets like cellphone use. If I'm in heavy traffic I won't look at it I would rather be safe and miss my turn.

Also even with the laptop I will still have the analog Pen and Paper directions I write down for myself. Sometimes I even hand draw a map based on the Laptop map with specific landmarks and reference points in the local area to plan my arrival. My notes usually include a plan B for where to park or turn around in case I miss the customer due to bad directions or signs obscured by bushes. Or if I just don't see the sign back away from the road at night. I have had some imes where I have a tough time finding a place and I'll pullover in a safe spot to use Streets and Trips or even my Internet Air Card.

I really lean more on Streets and Trips as a preplan device. It helps so much to create a route, get exact miles, exit numbers, rest areas.


But with that said I don't totally discount your advice. I'll checkout the Van I'll be driving and figure what might work for me which could be a regular GPS system. Maybe I could find some good deals during the holiday season. Also while the laptop has worked so far it is a hassle to move around with the cables so for all around convenience your suggestion makes good sense.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
There are some threads in the tech forum about laptops versus standalone units. Some of the laptop users are laughably vigorous in their defense of using the laptop. As Cheri noted, the time and distraction it takes to zero in and focus on the laptop screen, actually on a small section of it, then the distraction of processing the information while trying to refocus on the actual driving, is a significant problem. In heavy traffic with several turns coming up, the laptop becomes essentially useless, if you pay attention to your driving, that is.

As a computer geek, I'd used laptop-based GPS routing for a long time. There was no other option seriously considered. Why spend several hundred dollars for a GPS unit when I can add one to the laptop for a fraction of that? A slam-dunk, no-brainer, if ya ask me.

Then, after the predictable hard drive failure of the laptop due to driving with the laptop powered up and the read/write arm flailing about the platters, I decided to rather than get a new higher end laptop, to get a cheaper laptop and use the different to get a GSP, to use the laptop as a laptop, and the GPS as a GPS.

My laptop is powered off when driving, saving the hard drive, and my GPS is mounted so I don't even have to take my hand off the wheel to touch the screen. When you look at a laptop screen, you are essentially only able to view and focus on about a 4x4" up to about a 6x6" area, and that's the same size as the GPS screen. Stick your arm straight out in front of you, make a fist, then bend your wrist up. Whatever your fist covers up is what you can focus on. So when you glance at the GPS screen you immediately see it all at once.

There are some tradeoffs, of course. The GPS unit makes an astoundingly bad Streets & Trips-like atlas where you can zoom in and out to get a good overview map of things, quickly and easily run routes from positions where you are not currently located, stuff like that. While the Streets & Trips or other laptop-based routing makes for good GPS and a good map, there's the safety aspect, not to mention the wear and tear on the laptop itself. Laptops are portable, but they're not designed to be used while transporting them. A few models are designed or that purpose, but they're hardly cheap. SSD drives can mitigate the wear and tear to a degree, at least insofar as hard drive wear and tear, but the rest of the laptop isn't build for it.

I currently have Streets & Trips and PC Miler installed on the laptop, and use both of them frequently. Just not while driving. Sometimes either or both will find a more preferred routing than the Garmin will. Sometimes the Google Navigator on the Droid will find addresses that none of the others will find. They're all tools that I can use. Just the other day the Garmin really, really wanted me to take a certain routing, even though better routings were calculated on Streets & Trips and PC Miler. I figured out which routing I wanted to use, then basically forced the Garmin to submit to my will when I turned right when it wanted me to go straight, and within a few miles it saw who was master. Biggest mistake people make is relying too much on just one mapping and routing tool.

Black Friday has a host of GPS units for excellent prices.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Well I've recognized that as a short coming along with any other potential distractions from modern gadgets like cellphone use. If I'm in heavy traffic I won't look at it I would rather be safe and miss my turn.

You won't need to look at it in heavy traffic, or miss the turn, because [the Nuvi, at least] your route is highlighted in a bright pink, allowing you to 'see' the next half mile or so. It's cool on those windy roads & hairpin exits, lol, cos you can see how the road twists, and when it's a straightaway. Or you can hear the directions, and never look at it at all.
Best thing is that the GPS can find what I can't see: streets & bldgs obscured by snow, rain, dark, etc.
And I still use S&T too, but only when parked.
 

Videodrome

Seasoned Expediter
Hmm.. One of the strongest points for me using Streets and Trips was after the route is generated it is so easy to customize it.

Do many stand alone GPS units have an ability like that? Or just use preplan notes as the main reference and just ignore turn directions you disagree with when they came up.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Hmm.. One of the strongest points for me using Streets and Trips was after the route is generated it is so easy to customize it.

Do many stand alone GPS units have an ability like that? Or just use preplan notes as the main reference and just ignore turn directions you disagree with when they came up.
Mine's an older Garmin and I can only add one stop-off along the route. So customization is very limited in my case. But most of the newer units allow several stop-offs, like 50 more with many of them, to allow you to customize (a.k.a. force your will onto the thing). Some units allow you to favor or ignore certain specific roads, just like Streets & Trips does.

Mine has the option to select Truck or Car routes, and Faster or Shorter for each one. Usually, one of these ends up being the best route, but not always. Sometimes Streets & Trips (or Google Navigator or PC Miler) will have a completely different routing, but more often than not all of them are similar, with just one or two major deviations. You can note the best route if it's from Streets & Trips or whatever, then where the Garmin and Streets & Trips differ (like turn right on this road to go up through Houston instead of going straight to San Antonio and then up through Dallas), go the Streets and & Trips way and the Garmin will quickly figure it out and recalculate the new route, which from that point on will match the laptop's routing.

For example, let's say you have a load from New Orleans to Laredo, and the Garmin wants you to go through Houston to San Antonio and then down I-35 to Laredo, which is roughly 700 miles, but Streets & Trips wants you to go to Houston and then down US 59 through Victoria and straight on down to Laredo, which is 650 miles. The major difference in the route is to turn or not in Houston. If you make the turn, within a few minutes of being on US 59, sometimes after several recalculations, soon enough a recalculation will show that staying on 59 is the better route instead of doing a U-turn to get back on the original route. From that point on, the Garmin will route you the same way that Streets & Trips did in the first place.

That's how I work the Garmin, by using the other tools like Streets & Trips, PC Miler and the Droid, to get the best routing. The vast majority of the time, the Garmin is the one to go with, anyway, tho.

A standalone unit, like a Garmin, is not the same as Streets & Trips, so you can't try and make it the same. If you do try, you'll get frustrated and won't like it. Streets and Trips isn't the same as a Trucker's Atlas, or PC Miler, or MapQuest. You have to work with each one they way they are designed, rather than how you want them to be designed. They all have their advantages and disadvantages. Like Google Maps or the Google Navigator will find addresses and businesses that the Garmin, Streets & Trips and most all the others cannot find, but Google Navigator's routing often leaves a lot to be desired. But you can use it to find a place, then locate the same place on the Garmin map, then tell the Garmin to go to that location, even if the Garmin doesn't know that there's an address there. Browse the Garmin map, zoom in to the location that matches Google, then hit GO on the Garmin and it will calculate your routing.

As much as I love my laptop and can't be without it, I've come to think of the Garmin in the same way. I wouldn't want to be out here without it, even if I have the Streets & Trips GPS thingy with me here in the truck if the Garmin goes out. If the Garmin does, I'll use Streets & Trips with the GPS in a pinch, but only until I get get the Garmin replaced.

Bottom line is, no matter how staunchly laptop GPS users defending their using it, a standalone is safer than using a laptop. A standalone takes some getting use to, obviously, but it doesn't take much time, and once you get the hang of it, it's as fast or faster to set up a route than is using the laptop. Some people go on and on about how with a standalone you can't do this and you can't do that, like you can with Streets & Trips, but the reality is yes you can, just maybe not in the same way.

All I know is, with one exception, everyone I've ever talked to that went from a laptop and Streets & Trips to a (good) standalone (like Garmin, Tom Tom, Rand McNally), they have never gone back to using the laptop for GPS. They use the GPS for GPS, and the laptop for more broad mapping and checking the standalone's routing.

If you're like most people, you'll get a GPS and then run it and Streets & Trips at the same time, for about a week. And then turn the laptop off while driving and just use the GPS unit. :D
 

Videodrome

Seasoned Expediter
Well I can see doing it eventually for the convenience factor alone. Moving the laptop around with the cables and securing it is kind of a hassle.

Also I think a laptop sitting on a seat cushion can contribute to the computer getting hot which probably isn't good either.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I use a kid's lap tray, with a raised edge that keeps the laptop cool, and a beanbag base that keeps it level, [And unsnaps to use as a neck cushion, lol]
Way cheaper and better than a cooling pad!
 

Jack_Berry

Moderator Emeritus
we switched from magellan to garmin this year and glad we did.

final prob with the magellan was the female power cord plug in the unit broke off/wore out and withdrew into the unit making powering it difficult. went without for a couple days using qc direction and then bought the garmin. have not missed a location or been directed miles past the dest yet.

bought the updated maps on the sd card only to find out THAT was out of date:eek:.

like the garmin. won't magellan again.
 

pellgrn

Expert Expediter
I have a strt trk team that wants a garmin 465 for chrismas,they say it's the best one for trucks [it better be at 269.00$] does anyone have one? also does it have Canada?
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
In another thread, [Hazmat GPS], Turtle mentioned the 465T sucks. He didn't elaborate, so I'd send him a pm, or post the query to him before spending the money.
 

EnglishLady

Veteran Expediter
I have a strt trk team that wants a garmin 465 for chrismas,they say it's the best one for trucks [it better be at 269.00$] does anyone have one? also does it have Canada?


Yes and Yes :p

We have not had any problems , it has car or truck modes, and yes it does Canada just fine.

Online downloads are long but easy - we got the updates for life package for it too.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
With each firmware update the 465 is getting better. When it first came out it weighted too heavily the STAA truck routes, instead of the Interstate that were right next to them. It's now a good truck GPS. It's always had some good truck-specific features, but it's truck routing was really bad compared to the truck routing on non-truck models. But they've fixed that, apparently, and it's no longer an issue.
 
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