Either we help these countries reform or you ain't seen nothing yet. Reform need not cost a lot of money. Central America and Mexico must be moved toward better economies. We have a vested interest in their success. It would go a long way if the political class in these nations resolved to modernize business and mounted a serious, prolonged campaign to subdue violent gangs and drug cartels. Right now, Mexico might rightly be seen as a narco-state where government isn't really in control of events.
Gov. Rick Perry discusses crisis at US-Mexico border.
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Either we help these countries reform or you ain't seen nothing yet. Reform need not cost a lot of money. Central America and Mexico must be moved toward better economies. We have a vested interest in their success. It would go a long way if the political class in these nations resolved to modernize business and mounted a serious, prolonged campaign to subdue violent gangs and drug cartels. Right now, Mexico might rightly be seen as a narco-state where government isn't really in control of events.
Nothing we do will change a thing down there. The governments are too corrupt. Any monies we borrow from China and send there would just be stolen by those governments.
I gave you a whole new thread in which to post about this, and you'd rather continue to disrupt this thread. Now you're intentionally trying to hijacking a thread, and trolling on top of it. I do wish you good luck.
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Sorry, I am not buying into a defeatist attitude. We can partner with these countries to work toward positive outcomes or allow things to become much worse. The citizens of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California have the right to sleep peacefully at night without fear of home invasion by illegal immigrants who turn to violence as a career choice. By all means, secure the border. The problems will not be solved by short term measures alone. Systemic problems need systemic solutions.
Yes, we ALL have the right to sleep peacefully at night and it is OBAMA who is now responsible for the problem. HE is the one who is NOT securing the border.
Where is all this money coming from? WE don't have it, WE are not able to pay our OWN bills right now. We are in debt up to our eyeballs and we just do not have the money to dump into those hell holes down there. We have to first straighten out our own house. 17 TRILLION and counting in debt, that bubble too is due to burst.
IF we don't get our own financial affairs straight, we will be in the same mess those countries down there are. We cannot borrow money from one country, to give it to another, with no chance of paying back those loans.
Clearly, we can't dump any more money into those countries, since the corruption down there guarantees that none of it will go to where it's needed. Most of the aid to those countries already goes into the coffers of those in power. People are working on the problems, but all they're doing is working on the symptoms. Even the systemic problems cannot be worked long term unless the root cause is first worked. That being to secure the borders. Once the borders are secured, then we can clearly see the problems, and work them.
Securing our borders comes before anything when looking at this problem. I would put 250,000 troops on the southern border and 100,000, on the northern border. Those numbers would be reduced, over time, but never eliminated. Eliminate the Border Patrol.
Nobody said anything different. Secure the borders, then work on the problem, but we must work on the problem. Ignoring it, will make border closing a moot point.
How do you intend on paying for it? Is other countries problems ours to solve? What makes you think we can even have any effect on their problems? What makes you think we can help solve their problems when we cannot solve our own?
I would say the oppisite. Without securing the border first anything else is a waste of money. It has been shown over and over that our trying to affect what happens elsewhere for the most part is a feelgood misuse of time and money.
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Joe, don't you see they have made their problems our problem? We cannot be divorced from what happens next door. Until social and economic improvements take place in Central America and Mexico, illegal immigration will continue unabated. Having a truly effective border policy will be a tremendous help and should always be our first priority. Obama cannot be trusted on immigration issues, and to be fair, too many Republicans cannot be trusted to do what is best.
Remember the Arab Spring uprisings? If good government is not implemented amongst our neighbors, pent up frustrations will explode someday to our south. Right now, illegal immigration is a release valve preventing all-out rioting and social disorder. We can deal with immigration now or get dragged into their revolutions later. We don't have the option of sitting this one out.
I only put the blame on Obama because, right now, he is the C-N-C. His responsibility. Had Romney been elected he would be the idiot not doing anything right now.
IF we controlled our borders, really controlled them as they should, and can be, controlled, they could riot all they want down there. It is NOT our problem. I don't agree with you. I understand you thinking, I just don't agree.
We cannot afford it, we have NO money to do that with.
Immigration cannot be dealt with as long as the borders are not secure. NEITHER party will do what is right with immigration, which would be to remove 100% of the illegals in the country now and never allow them to gain citizenship.
We do not have the political will nor the popular will to get tough on the border. Talk of militarizing our southern border is just that. Talk. A symbolic show of force by the National Guard won't stop determined illegal aliens from entering the US. Illegals entering the US will continue to be greeted with kindness and compassion. Our politicians will muster up some tough talk near election season, then kick the can as they always do. Unless there is some unimaginable event, such as a terrorist act traced to a border crossing, the necessary will to act won't materialize.
*** I am reminded the terrorists who piloted airliners on Sept. 11th crossed into the US by car from Canada. What will it take to for Americans to embrace a policy of toughness? We are no where near agreement on getting tough at the border. We don't have the stomach for it at present.
*** I am reminded the terrorists who piloted airliners on Sept. 11th crossed into the US by car from Canada. What will it take to for Americans to embrace a policy of toughness? We are no where near agreement on getting tough at the border. We don't have the stomach for it at present.
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IF the government does not do something soon, there are going to be private citizens taking the matter into their own hands. This is the result when government breaks down, which it has.
None of the 9/11 hijackers entered through Canada.
Right here in our hemisphere, half the population of Guatemala lives on less than $2 per day. How they gather up $5,000 to $7,000 to pay a smuggler for transit to the United States is a mystery.
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttZHdi1eYKo
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttZHdi1eYKo
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SSSSHHHHH!!!!!!! That doesn't fit with the narrative.
Identity and Immigration Status of 9/11 Terrorists
Obama is sending them the money.
I did not see anything in that article that stated where they entered the country. Could have missed it, the words are blurry.