GM layoffs

Grasshopper

Expert Expediter
I would like to get everyone's opinon about the plant closures and layoffs at GM and how it will affect the expediting business. I know that many expediters made their money hauling car parts around the country and with GM downsizing, will this affect the level of business to the point that some expediting companies may go out of business.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Informed comment

Even though I have only been doing this for about 5 months, I find that it is like any other supplier business and MUST have a flexible business model to stay in business. Oh the nice ride is almost over for some of these companies.

For the companies who depend on Ford and GM for work may either have to realign their business model to the changing needs of their customer or just close the doors.

An expediting company that is not under direct contract with GM will not get a lot of business out of them when they start restructuring (for the 5 or 6 time in the last 25 years). Many expediting companies seem to claim that they have direct contracts but don’t. According to my sources at GM there are two freight companies that are under direct contract and another one (an expediting company) that is not under contract but gets a lot of work from GM. All others go through NLM.
 

Lawrence

Founder
Staff member
IMHO - a different twist on this topic is WHY is this happening to one of the largest - if not the largest company in North America?

It's not the wages the automakers earn, it's not even the quality of American cars, it is that the Government has allowed the Asian automakers to set up assembly plants here - hence they are now deemed "American Made" (FYI-They are as American made as my Sri Lankan Nike sneakers) – allowing them to by-pass the import and trade regulations.

All the major components (engines, transmissions etc) are made in Japan. These vehicles are then assembled here, totally by passing all the import duties and restrictions.

Have you ever wondered why all the Japanese car makers have very little need for your expedite services? Well, it’s because they don’t “manufacture†anything here.

Next time you’re on that 5 day layover in Michigan – thank that person driving that 2006 Toyota Corolla.

Buy American. Buy Canadian.

I personally ALWAYS look for products that are made in the US or Canada.

Why Canada too and not Mexico? That’s a no brainer – Canada has a standard of living almost identical to the US – Mexico, well you know.

IMHO

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highway star

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I have to disagree with you here Lawrence. I've done a lot for Honda, and have done a little bit for the other 2 of the Japenese Big 3. It's always the same type of stuff I haul for the U.S. Big 3. Fasteners, trim pieces, ect. We have the union to thank for this. The good news is that they have shown signs of accepting reality and knowing that the candy store may be running short of inventory.

BTW, anyone got any spare change? I'm out of a job as of 12/31.
 

Lawrence

Founder
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HS,

Ok, I hear your disagreement. I'm not defending the union - but this is not the issue, the issue is that the government has allowed the fox into the henhouse - so to speak.

And - it still isn't "American Made".

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beachbum20714

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i have always bought toyota's.i'm on my 5th truck.i've had new a 92,96,99,01,04 pick up's,and a 99,02 and my new 2005 rav 4.yes some of them are made in japan,some made here.i've never had any problem's out of any of them..i've owned vw,old's,ford,honda,chevy,plymouth,buick,dodge.all of these veh i had to sink alot of money into.i drive 25 miles to work every day,not far i know.but i need dependable trans to work.i drive up to NY to see my kids,and out to MO to see my father in law.i'v put 30,000 miles on my truck in a yr.this (toyota) is the only auto maker i will buy from...canada suck's....
 

Lawrence

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BeachBum,

You can drive a Toyota, I understand they are great trucks - but the facts remain:

1. They are not American made (including the one's "assembled" here).
2. They cost American jobs.
3. Ultimately - it will affect EVERYONE in this country (and Canada) - not just the auto-workers.

It will knock on your front door in the form of less revenue and more layover times.

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I have yet to hear or read a positive argument as to why buying Asian vehicles is a good thing for our economy.

I will concede this - once all the US Automotive manufacturing plants are gone - it will make for a greener, more environmentally friendly place.

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highway star

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My first car was a VW Beetle back in '71. Other than that, all my vehicles have been U.S. big 3. But when it comes to content, the big 3 cover the globe. Even the Harley, whose biggest selling point has been "Made in America", has significant Japenese content. If it was'nt for the big 3 we would'nt hear Laredo mentioned here as much as we do. If the fox comes into the henhouse and employs a bunch of the hens, maybe that's not such a bad thing. I wonder if the Butterball going on my grill was grown here? Happy turkey day everyone!!
 

kwexpress

Veteran Expediter
KW Express
o/o till i die

The reason it is good for our econmy.

Because the powers that be want a one world economy.
it may bring us down closer to there standard of living but these plants are staffed by american workers that make a decent living wage.

These plants are moving into poor america giving jobs to people who have never made over $10 an hour in there life. and now these same people are buying homes and raising american familys off these rice burnners.

So what if you can take 1,000 poor people and replace 10,000 gm workers.

its time to get away from detroit.Look how they keep the roads.
and ohio is just as bad.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Caution – long post ahead

I think a lot of you got it wrong. Like Lawrence said and many others believe it is the other countries and our buying habits that have caused all these problems in our economy. It is much more complex than that.

Ok I concede that I or you like to buy things cheap but we can’t control GM or Ford, THE ONLY AMERICAN CAR MAKERS LEFT, so I say the burden for these problems lays with GM and Ford exclusively.

Look GM has had this management attitude, not unlike IBM, where their thinking is out of management manuals of the 1920’s which Alfred Sloan created and they have never changed. They have reorganized (four times since 1980) with the same corporate culture but nothing else. Ford on the other hand has at least changed with the times; three times to be exact but still suffer from the nepotism and must be a family business thing.

Management of a company dictates its success and GM will not come out of this alive because at the top there is no sacrifices that shows confidence in the company, i.e. stock dumped after announcements of lay offs. If Wagoner and Lutz would do what Iacocca did in the 80’s (no not ask the government to bail them out);

• Take a firm stand and be leaders
• Show intent by not taking a salary
• Have a real plan that is clear to everyone and has a goal
• Trim upper management a lot and reduce salaries in management in general
• Go out and recruit engineers that don’t think in a box, even from overseas
• Get the concept to product life cycle reduced to a reasonable level – VERY IMPORTANT
• Design cars and trucks (look I said NO SUVs) that people want
• Reduce the price of the vehicles overall instead of crappy incentive plans
• Maybe reduce the product line (I think the days of the multi-branding of the same car is almost over) and revive some of the Ford concepts of one car line, one price idea that let Ford survive the 1930’s and 1950’s
• Make the dealers accountable and cancel franchises if need be to show the public that they want to be your car company

Then the company may survive.

The attitude at GM has always been “I will make my money and the hell with the companyâ€, which Wall Street and consumers actually see.

The Japanese have been taught how to run a company by Americans in the 1950s. Yes Virginia, there was a real Santa Clause but the American auto makers in the early 1950’s killed him, he went the way of the Tucker. For some reason the person was laughed at when he presented this to the Americans and went overseas to see if it really worked, which we know it did. But since the 1980’s the Americans have been trying to catch up and have yet to come close.

There is this issue that our government needs to protect these companies, WRONG. GM, Ford and even D-C are MULTINATIONAL companies and the US market is not the only market they are in. It is difficult to understand the other markets but Ford seems to be doing better than GM in these other markets and they are the professionals who should know all of his stuff. The bad thing is, is this; if GM is complaining about competition in the US market, then they did not learn a thing being in the other markets about how to compete with these “foreign†car makers and deserve what they get.

Back to the government’s role; I think they need to assist but that’s all. See it is congress that has agreed to things like GATT that cause a lot of problems here; mainly taking away our sovereignty (but that is another subject for another time) and not allowing us to set tariffs and duties properly according to our needs. I am greatly offended by my governor who went to Washington to ask for help for the big three. She offended me by her attitude that D-C needs US government help, which is a foreign car company, not an American and they have the entire country of Germany backing them. She has yet brought anything but grief to Michigan and the companies that remain here.

Now everyone blames the union for much of this, which I only blame the UAW for their position not to protect all their rank and file but being selective in their protection. What I mean is that you need to look at the GM/Caprice mess of the mid 90’s to see that the UAW went against their charter to allow competition for jobs within the company. This is one thing that many lost respect for the UAW and in turn don’t really care if the UAW survives (labor day is just a holiday for a picnic). In addition for me it is the free computers, the unreal bonuses that I don’t think they deserved and the fact that many UAW workers have had an attitude they are better than everyone else. These are personal things that I have directly experienced in my life. Oh yea the UAW does not support other unions like the Germans or English unions, which are their brothers in arms so to speak, remember solidarity?

This idea that the Canadians and Americans are one in the same is really offensive to me and should be to the Canadians who pride themselves as, well Canadians. No offense towards the Canadian EO members or Canadians in general, Canada is a great country and have it together with many things I wish we did, but it is a foreign country as much as Mexico. See many people believe that supporting the CAW you are also supporting the UAW and they are the same but it is not; different country, different laws, and foremost a better attitude. If you can’t support Mexico (as a fellow North American) you should not support Canada in the same light as the US. I strongly feel that the CAW is the same as the German and English unions and if you as a union member can’t support all of them then don’t say anything.

I look at it this way, my Caravan is a foreign car made in a foreign country (Canada) and my Dodge ram is a foreign car made in foreign country (Mexico). My GMC van is the only American made vehicle but its rear axle and transmission were made in Mexico.

The last thing is this idea that many problems are cause by health care, wrong again. GM is large enough to start their own health insurance company (could be part of GMAC) and control the cost of health care. Or at least negotiate with the health care insurance companies for rates that are tied to inflation or something along those lines. See many don’t understand that health insurance companies are non-profit and are not supposed to make any money, but they have deep reserves and their upper management makes millions in salaries and bonuses. For some reason the American people are high jacked by these insurance companies and no one realizes that third party payer system is really the problem, not the actual cost of the procedures and liability insurance. I find it odd that no one (like the AARP) is asking for the government to investigate them to see what they are really doing. One last thing about health cost, if GM was really serious about reducing healthcare cost, they would demand that some procedures are not paid for that is elective. The insurance company has to pay for these elective surgeries somehow and they do this by increasing their rates. You can fill in what these elective surgeries yourself.

I could go on and on about the auto companies but I think you all get the picture.
 

ACE

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
I agree with many points that Lawerence & Greg334 have stated in this thread.

But why do most expediters buy medium duty trucks, that are made by foreign owned companies ? I do not see to many Ford or GMC expediting trucks. The foreign owned companies make a more appealing expediting truck.

When it comes to autos this is not the case. Ford and GM make a wide variety of styles and price points. Why would any one want to buy something from a company that the profits go back to countries that are not interested in our well being as citizens of USA.

When it comes to Canada they are also a foreign country. They did not support us in Iraq. They flood our market with lumber which put our loggers and mills out of work. They have lenient immigration policies that allow possible terrorists to enter our country.

The foreign owned plants are new now but wait untill they are in 40-60 year old buildings and the employees start to want better wages and more benefits, they will face many of the same problems that Ford and GM face now.

We are a consuming nation, and we like to purchase products that are manufactured by companies that use cheap foreign labor. If we would not do this Ford & GM would not have built plants in Mexico , and China.

USA has one of the lowest unemployment rates if not the lowest rate in the free world. We have the best standard of living. We give all people a chance to better themselves if they want to.

Happy Thanksgiving.
 

huntn1

Expert Expediter
yeah the foreign auto makers bring those cheap wages here to the south and the local politicans jump with joy, but in the end most of the profit ends back up over there in theyre banks not ours, bring it home to the U.S.A while we have a home.
 

dukesadog

Expert Expediter
I wanted to respond to the comment regarding the asian auto makers. Last year when my GM brand car was in for 7,000.00 worth of warranty work which by the way was a 2003 model and already needed a new gas tank,brake lines,fuel lines, a rear axle replacement(stress cracks at the mold lines) and front tower bearings/struts etc etc, we were given a brand new Buick Le-Sausage as a loaner..the sticker price was 34 grand and what a piece of (enter word of choice).

Anyone who would have spent any amount on this pile of whatever should be ashamed with the squeaks and moans, not to mention poor fit and finish from a new car it made me feel like I was riding in an old Nash with cronions ( where the wheels fall off when jacked up)

We have since bought a new Lexus S-430 a big car, no squeaks, beautiful ride and the parts dont say (Ace hardware) on them or look like they came from there.I thought about this when we signed the papers....Am I taking a job away from a GM worker? then I thought about the hassles and time I spent broke down on the side of the road.

As far as GM laying off? then oh well they have been poorly mananged for years, the idea of giving deep employee discounts to the public merely showed that same public how overpriced their cars really are.Just like in your field it should be survival of the fittest whoever the strongest car maker is then let it be so.

These companies that are always filing for bankruptcy should just dry up and blow away if they cant stay competitive.

I wouldnt be a bit surprised to see Toyota buy out GM within the next 5 years and frankly I just dont see them ever catching up to the quality of the Asian/German automakers.

dukesadog
 

Panzer

Expert Expediter
GM problems are self-inflected. By this I mean the unions and managment failed to adapt. The unions workers are overpaid (some make $65.00 an hour if you include benifits) and the managment failed to adapt and take chances. They relied too mucn on the SUV's for there profits, and when gas prices sored, their sales plummeted. Overall, their line up is uninspiering and drab. GM seems to think that adding more plastic cladding makes it "hot".

In comparsion, look at Chyrsler. A few years ago, Damiler was taking a lot of heat in Germany for buying them, since Chyrsler was loosing money and dragging down the share price. Last year, the reverse happaned, Chyrlser division was making money and the D-M group was not. This year, both groups are doing well. Why? Because both groups introduced new products and took chances. Look at the Hemi station wagons all over the place now. I think they are butt ugly, but sales are strong. It is competion, either surverive and adapt or perish. I do want GM to survice and prosper, but as pointed out, they have to CHANGE.

Now, all that being said, there is a perception, myself included, that Japaneese cars are better than Americans. It is not always the case anymore. Buick is now ranked amoungst the top 5 in quality and satification, competing with Lexus and BMW. But changing the perception is difficult. I read an article one time which followed up those famous Consumer Reports surveys on auto quality. What they found is that owners of Japan cars tend to ignore little problems they have while owners of domestic autos tend to exgerate problems. Basiclly, they expect Japanesse cars to be better and report them as such, even when they are having problems because they perceive them as such. The rerverse is true for American autos. This makes it difficult to overcome by GM, Ford, and D-C.

One other minor observation, based only on my own perferances. And this is brand loyalty. By this I mean that when it comes to buying a car, I am a Ford man. Which means that I would rather buy a Japaneese car than just about any GM make. So, if Ford does not have what I want then I won't even really consider a GM product unless it is outstanding. Chrysler I am so-so, but overall, don't care for the brand. So that leaves me with non domestic choices if Ford does not have what I want. You might critize me for not buying American, but if I am going to drop 25-35k on something, better be something I want, like the new MUSTANG!
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I agree with you Greg. That was a long post. It is a more complex issue than what I had to say and my intention was'nt to try to simplify it. Panzer pretty much stole my thunder on what I was going to say here. I would just emphasize that GM not only needs to improve on concept to showroom time, they need to do it with product that we can get excited about. Such as, Charger, Mustang, F150. There's some good buzz about the Solstice, but this falls into that "get it out there quicker" category. I last went to the auto show in '02 or '03 (can't remember for sure) and the Solstice was there then. What the heck have they been doing?

Good luck at FedEx Greg. How did you get them to take a '99 van?
 

bryan

Veteran Expediter
HI
Yes this is going to hurt us.Less freight to divy up between all the o/o.My uneducated guess would be 200 less loads per week going directly to these plants and probably a 100 more going to their suppliers.Plus mould and tool builders.Plus alot of these workers will come into this industry.Everytime I go to an assembly plant thier asking how much money they can make driving a van or a 5 ton.

I find it ironic that people have to worry about how much money they make because it might effect their medicare or healthy start.Think about how many people in this country already get some form of goverment assistance.Would it really cost that much more to give it to everybody.I dont think it would cost as much as the loss of 30,000 high paying jobs.

It's going to cost the American taxpayer alot more than if this country had a goverment health care system. To do the math lets say the average wage of these jobs are $35.00 an hour for a 40 hour week thats $1400.00. This country will be losing $214.30 per week in just social security tax from each of these 30,000 people.Thier income tax would be around $300.00 per week per worker.So not quite a billion dollars a year in tax revenue will be lost.

Also since GM has done it Ford will be next.Ford threatened to move most of thier operations out of this country if this health care issue wasn't resolved.Can you really blame them,if you could save billions of dollars in business expense wouldn't you do it? Ain't like the other country are turning them away either.

The lack of national health care in this country is giving other countries an unfair advantage over the American worker.Please give that some though the next time you go to the polls.Whether our goverment believes it or not it is the American worker that makes this country great.Thanks and have a good one.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
> HI
> Yes this is going to hurt us.Less freight to divy up
>between all the o/o.My uneducated guess would be 200 less
>loads per week going directly to these plants and probably a
>100 more going to their suppliers.Plus mould and tool
>builders.Plus alot of these workers will come into this
>industry.Everytime I go to an assembly plant thier asking
>how much money they can make driving a van or a 5 ton.
>
>I find it ironic that people have to worry about how much
>money they make because it might effect their medicare or
>healthy start.Think about how many people in this country
>already get some form of goverment assistance.Would it
>really cost that much more to give it to everybody.I dont
>think it would cost as much as the loss of 30,000 high
>paying jobs.
>
> It's going to cost the American taxpayer alot more than if
>this country had a goverment health care system. To do the
>math lets say the average wage of these jobs are $35.00 an
>hour for a 40 hour week thats $1400.00. This country will be
>losing $214.30 per week in just social security tax from
>each of these 30,000 people.Thier income tax would be
>around $300.00 per week per worker.So not quite a billion
>dollars a year in tax revenue will be lost.
>
> Also since GM has done it Ford will be next.Ford threatened
>to move most of thier operations out of this country if this
>health care issue wasn't resolved.Can you really blame
>them,if you could save billions of dollars in business
>expense wouldn't you do it? Ain't like the other country are
>turning them away either.
>
> The lack of national health care in this country is giving
>other countries an unfair advantage over the American
>worker.Please give that some though the next time you go to
>the polls.Whether our goverment believes it or not it is the
>American worker that makes this country great.Thanks and
>have a good one.
>


Why is it that people think that a national health care system is the way to go? Sorry but you as a tax payer and on top of that a consumer will pay more for it regardless and it will be a bigger mess. You think you have problems now with getting a referral to get Cancer treatment (HMO), just wait until you face the mandated caps on everything including braces for kids.

The burden on business is the third party payer system, nothing else. When BCBS can post record “profits†as a non-profit company, there is something seriously wrong but no one seems to care except the people who understand the real issues and they are powerless.

The way it used to work was simply you had a local doctor and you worked with him to pay his bill. When the third party payer system came into effect as we know it today you just paid your co-pay or even nothing at all, you didn’t care if the office overcharge or even made up charges submitted to the insurance company, you got your service. There is a lot of cause and effect with a third party payer system and YOU eventually pay the price, no one else. This also goes for all these procedures that are not health related, like face lifts and cosmetic surgeries. As an example BCBS does pay for a lot of these and these are paid for indirectly by your rates.

Many companies are going to a self-insured, but a lot of people are afraid of the big brother problem and their health privacy. Well guess what you don’t have any health privacy because again Washington has gutted HIPAA before it became a law, I know – I was an on the advisory board for the HIPAA comments committee with BCBS of Michigan. This is a start but far from protection. Back to the company self-insured idea, it is simply that you and the company are in control of the cost.

As for Social Security, I doubt I will see any of my money to begin with. It needs fixing and I think that the attitude needs to change in this country; it is a tax – not an entitlement and the money you and I put into the system is not mine or yours - it is theirs. I can’t stand people who think that they put into the system deserve to get it back, it does not work that way (never has) with our tax system as a whole, so why expect to have it work that way for Social Security (SS)?

How to fix SS? Well here is a good idea that I thought of.

First don’t touch the present amount of SS tax, keep it the rates the same, maybe increase it a half % (I can hear you scream now). Then stop taxing retirement accounts and pensions now and simplify all retirement accounts and pension rules, align them with the same rules (401k, 403 as an example, make them one retirement account). Absolutely no taxes on the money you put in or take out of your retirement account except if you take out more than you need (like 500K instead of 150K). no real cap of the amount you put in, it could be $1000 a year or $1M a year. You have full control over the investments of that account BUT you cannot touch a dime of that money for any reason until you are retired. If you have a certain level in your retirement account (say $1m), you simply don’t get SS which means no graduated reduction, no compromise – when you reach the cap that’s it no SS. All the money you put to SS is off set by the savings of taxes you have with your retirement account.

I know this will never happen because no one thinks ahead in Washington. But just image the amount of revenue that would be generated as a consumer when you retire. You buy a new home, it generates property and sales taxes; you buy that new truck you pay sales taxes, you buy fuel to put into the truck because it gets 6 MPG, you pay fuel taxes.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
The July issue of Smart money magazine had a article about the demise of GM. It bascially started in thr 50's when GM had a huge market share and started captiulating to the UAW so as to avoid a strike.

Every few years the contract talks would come up and GM would give more and more benefits.

Then in the 80's the Japanesse and European automakers started making in roads and the GM management did very little worrying about it. Now Korea is a major player with 100,000 mile powertrain warranties etc.

Meantime quality slipped badly, no one from management to the workers on the line cared. The workers who cared about quality were ignored and told to just bolt on obvious defective parts.

So GM has reaped what they have sowed,this is also true of many other industries. The Airline industry is similar. America,Delta, United stayed fat dumb and happy while new and lean competitors took away their business. Polariod and Kodak missed the boat on Digital Cameras.
None of the large computer manufacturers such as Digital,Wang and others could even consider the rise of the cheap PC.

I think this type of thinking comes from top senior management that do not want to rock the boat by putting funds into new products that may not make it thus reducing their bonuses.

The people that sit on the Boards of these companies are the real villians. AT/T is history because of ridiculous decisons and acquistions that their Board approved in the 90's. I have seen some of the resume's of board members of large companies and they are totally unqualified to render business decisions. The Colgate Palmolive Company has a female board member whose title is "Visting Scholar". She teaches some off the wall subject at a female liberal arts college in Mass. What can she possibly bring to the table other then the token female.

Strong companys can and do survive if the management is willing to possibly upset the applecart. If you read Jack Welch's book about GE you will see a companmy that will change with market moods.

Closing thoughts,I read that The GM CEO did not offer to reduce his $9 million basic salary.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
would like to get everyone's opinon about the plant closures and layoffs at GM and how it will affect the expediting business. I know that many expediters made their money hauling car parts around the country and with GM downsizing, will this affect the level of business to the point that some expediting companies may go out of business.



Most if not all of the auto freight was generated from the "Big 3" 10 or 20 years ago. Now that freight base has slowly moved into loads for Toyota, Nissan, Honda and the like.
With plants closing from GM and Ford, the pressure is on for carriers just hauling for them exclusively.
Just a simple supply and demand issue.
As the pool of loads shrink, so will the rates because too many companies and trucks fighting over the same loads.
The companies that are diverse or in the process, will be the companies around for years to come.

Davekc
owner
21 years
 

hdl

Expert Expediter
> The lack of national health care in this country is giving
>other countries an unfair advantage over the American
>worker.Please give that some though the next time you go to
>the polls.Whether our goverment believes it or not it is the
>American worker that makes this country great.Thanks and
>have a good one.

So you want citizens to support something that is patently unconstitutional?

It's funny how no one ever asks how government has gone about intentionally mucking up health care in this nation to get the masses to support Commie Care. You want the very same criminals who created HMOs to control your most personal and sometimes dire decisions?

Most people don't know it (thanks to our Soviet-like media) but under Hillary Clinton's health care task force plans it would have been a criminal offense for you and your doctor to provide fee for service.

Amazingly enough there would be people, just like in the good old USSR, who would still be claim to be free even under such circumstances.

In my six month vacation I paid cash for numerous medical expenses at significantly reduced rates because I didn't have insurance. Those costs would have been further reduced had the brain dead in this nation not kept voting for thieves who support Commie Care, Viagra for old goats, and tax payer paid medical for every illegal who steps across the border.
 
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