GF&P: Cougars now kill as many Black Hills deer as hunters

OntarioVanMan

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Awe gee the local hunters might have to hunt elsewhere....

Kevin Woster Journal staff | Posted: Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Mountain lions now equal human hunters as the leading cause of mortality on Black Hills deer.

State Game, Fish & Parks Department biologists estimate that mountain lions killed about 5,500 deer a year in the Black Hills. That's about the same number that hunters killed during the Black Hills deer season in 2009, a year when the hunter “harvest” on deer was down from previous years.

"It's absolutely true that lions are one of the main causes of deer mortality in the Black Hills," GF&P regional game specialist John Kanta of Rapid City said Tuesday.

That lion kill is a point of serious discussion now, as Kanta and other GF&P personnel travel the state in a series of public meetings on mountain lion management. The first of those meetings was in Spearfish Monday evening, and more than 60 people showed up to listen and comment.

Kanta gave a presentation that included updates on the estimated lion population in the Black Hills and its trends. He also discussed the kill on elk and deer, which some big-game hunters believe is a problem that has sharply reduced the herd numbers and hurt public hunting opportunities.

Kanta said that while it’s true that lions feed on both elk and deer, they target deer in particular. So the impact on deer is more pronounced. He estimated that each year Black Hills lions kill about 6,300 “large ungulates,” which include elk, deer, bighorn sheep and mountain goats. But the vast majority of those large mammal kills, about 5,500, are deer, followed by elk and a lesser number of bighorn sheep and mountain goats.

GF&P estimates a Black Hills lion population at about 250, with about 110 of those cats being young enough to still depend on adult lions for food. GF&P estimates that 140 adult and sub-adult lions in the Black Hills each kill about 45 large mammals a year. Lions pick up additional deer that are killed be vehicles, Kanta said, averaging about one large mammal consumed a week by each adult and sub-adult lion.

The Black Hills deer kill by hunters has declined in recent years, from 7,800 in 2007 to 7,000 in 2008, to 5,500 in 2009 -- when the kill was believed to have been equaled by lions.

Many things affect the rise and fall of deer populations, including disease and environmental conditions. But hunters and lions are leading mortality factors. Some hunters don’t like the increased competition from lions, said Mike Kintigh, GF&P regional supervisor in Rapid City.

“Some of the sportsmen we heard from in Spearfish were pretty pointed about that -- that lions were taking away from their opportunity,” Kintigh said. “The general consensus seemed to be that they liked having lions in the hills, but think we have too many.”

Part of the presentation was directed at rumors about the size of the lion population, Kintigh said. Some hunters are skeptical of GF&P’s estimate of 250 lions and have projected much larger numbers that Kintigh said can’t be substantiated.

“We tried to dispel some of those rumors, that there are 1,200 lions in the Black Hills, which is really just not physically possible given the available habitat,” he said. “We also talked about the impacts on deer and elk.”

Some big-game hunters have complained previously to GF&P that lions are killing too many elk, deer and other big-game species in the hills. Partly in response to those concerns, the GF&P Commission raised the overall limit to 40 during the 2010 season earlier this year. Commissioners hoped to trim the lion population.
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
Awe gee the local hunters might have to hunt elsewhere....


Some big-game hunters have complained previously to GF&P that lions are killing too many elk, deer and other big-game species in the hills. Partly in response to those concerns, the GF&P Commission raised the overall limit to 40 during the 2010 season earlier this year. Commissioners hoped to trim the lion population.

Not at my house they ain't,,the deer seem to be missing here also:confused:

Not sure how I feel bout killing (trim)em off just because they are feeding off the deer,I kinda think thats part of the food chain.If the population got so big it involves feeding off ppl then I would think different.

Good article I wasnt aware of this.
 

Turtle

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It used to be that man encroached on the habitat and food supply of the animals. Now the hunters of the Black Hills are getting a taste of their own medicine.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Lazy hunters.:(
The hunters are spoiled up there..just step out in their yard and pop a deer...

Hunters for the most part are also ranchers...at least the lions are killing the deer instead of their cattle and sheep! They are always whinning...
 

layoutshooter

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Cats, as well as man, are natural predators and both belong in the wild. The problem here is predator vs. predator. The State also loses vital dollars for conservation efforts if hunter success falls off too much. Generally speaking only those who hunt, fish and trap pay the freight for any kind of conservation work that is done in this country. Forget all the noise that so called animal rights or environmental groups make, it is mainly just that, noise. They do little real work.

The States have to strike a balance between letting the big cats do as they should and having enough deer for man to do a he should. Not an easy task. As in every case when both sides are right it becomes difficult. South Dakota has a pretty good record of managing things, they will work it out.
 

LDB

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The hunters are spoiled up there..just step out in their yard and pop a deer...

That's not hunting but probably at least 98% of all "hunters" aren't really hunters anyway. The majority are opportunity snipers or otherwise. Sitting in a camo stand watching an area that has been seeded with corn for a long time isn't hunting. Hunting is going to an area one believes holds the game one wants and working that area to get close enough to the game to get a shot. The rest isn't hunting, it's just killing. Not making a judgment, just clarifying definitions.
 

layoutshooter

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That's not hunting but probably at least 98% of all "hunters" aren't really hunters anyway. The majority are opportunity snipers or otherwise. Sitting in a camo stand watching an area that has been seeded with corn for a long time isn't hunting. Hunting is going to an area one believes holds the game one wants and working that area to get close enough to the game to get a shot. The rest isn't hunting, it's just killing. Not making a judgment, just clarifying definitions.

Spot on, Leo. There is a place for both. In some areas there are just far too many deer and they need to be taken out. In others the area is impassible to man so the deer need drawn or run out.

Killing is a part of nature. Kill or be killed is how nature works and man is a part of that. Mankind has been hunting since mankind has been on this earth. Mankind uses different tools and methods to collect the game he is after. That is how it is. There is no right or wrong in nature, only in local game laws.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
Yes, there are areas where the sensitive folks have banned or limited "cruel" hunting. Those areas, rather than have mostly humane kills, now have horrible suffering through starvation due to over population. It may not be "unethical" but it's certainly the more cruel option of the two. Sadly the "enlightened" of PETA etc. can't see that. As already mentioned, if the cougars are eating deer and not cattle or sheep it seems just what nature intended.
 

layoutshooter

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Yep, and when the deer get down too far they will return to eating the cattle and sheep which are NOT natural to the region.

In the mean time the State wildlife people will continue to walk that thin tight rope and cut down on the number of cats to allow for more human hunting success. I would not want that job. It is a no win situation. It is impossible to please everyone concerned.
 

Turtle

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SAFEWAY ISSUES LOYALTY CARDS TO BIG CATS

RAPID CITY - Many Rapid City area mountain lions no longer feel the need to go out each morning, kill something, and drag it home, thanks to Safeway grocery stores (NYSE: SWY), who have started issuing loyalty cards to the big cats.

Because of the increased competition from human hunters, the cougars of the Black Hills are finding it more difficult to find their favorite food: deer. To help alleviate the problem Safeway has begun stocking both white tail and mule deer in all Rapid City area locations. Each cat will receive a Safeway card, both to ensure they get the lowest prices available, and to ensure a good supply of deer in the wild for hunters.

Mountain lions eat will eat elk, mountain goats and bighorn sheep, but prefer the deer. Asked why the grocery chain doesn't also stock these other large animals, "There's no market for it," replied Beecham. "None of them sell like the deer."

"Oh, we'll eat elk and goats and sheep, even the occasional cow if the need arises," said one feline shopper, "but it's deer that we want. Elk is just too gamey tasting, and with the goats and sheep, you have to go up into the mountains to get those, and it's real steep and rocky up there."

Of course, the cats will receive all of the benefits of a Safeway card that human customers do.

"We will not discriminate in any way against mountain lions who use the loyalty program," said Mike Beecham, store manager of the Lead Safeway. "We will collect and sell their personal shopping habits in the same manner we do for our human customers. All the benefits of the Safeway Cougar Card are identical to the human cards."

"The loyalty cards are really nice," said one cat. "With every $100 I spend, I get a nickel discount on gas. I don't know what gas is, but it sounds like a good deal."
 

layoutshooter

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Retired Expediter
Oh my what a set-up...*lol*..I just can't..it's too easy....hahaha

OH YEAH?? Well, at least I can shoot straight. Only missed one duck last year and only one the year before. Got two deer too!! There, jump on that BUDDY!!! LOL!!! :p Many of those duck kills are now on DVD too!! PROOF!!!!! Man, am I GOOD!!!
 

Slo-Ride

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Only missed one duck last year and only one the year before.

Now, that sounds like your working to much and not getting out hunting enough.:D

Leo,,I'm guessing ya never been duck hunting with that 98% of hunters ambushing thing.. Nothing better then setting a group of birds in your lap in a place the birds didn't have any intentions of setting down in the first place..(other then eating em of course :D )
I agree that deer hunting has become more of a ambush hunt anymore.Very few ppl actually get out and stalk em (still hunt) But we do that so we can get it over with and get back on the ducks.
 
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