Gay discrimination
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There is just one eensy little flaw in your [and the writer's] claim: the photographer and the baker are both operating a business that is open to the general public, while the hairdresser is not. He/she [though it's almost invariably 'he'] has a client list, and does not accept clients if he chooses not to, for whatever reason. Maybe he just hates their taste in shoes, or their incessant boasting, or has no reason he can articulate, he just doesn't wanna. Unlike a public business enterprise, he doesn't hafta, either.
It's the same with expediters: being contracted with a carrier, I must accept whatever customers are behind a load I've agreed to do, but if I had my own authority, I could pick & choose which ones I accept or reject.
I think the writer [and the outraged] should be glad the liberals remained silent - they [you] wouldn't care for the exposure/explanation, wherein hypocrisy doesn't figure at all.
I'm here on EO simply to answer questions about a certain make of truck, but I couldn't help looking around and getting pulled in.
As far as Gay people go: I cannot fathom how that is a choice one would voluntarily make. No one wants to be ostracized, ridiculed, beaten, cursed, disowned, get turned out of their church, or possibly murdered simply to go against the grain and announce they are gay.
Gay people get ostracized, ridiculed, beated, cursed, disowned, turned away from their church, and occasionally get murdered because they can't hide who they truly are.
If gay people are being annoyingly vocal, it's because for once in recorded history, the majority of heterosexual people are willing to listen to their plight. Gays have a lot of grievances to air. They now know they are relatively safe, and they are banding together to demand equality. If one does not like the vocal nature of this group, giving them what they want (like marriage equality) will give them reason to finally find some peace.
If one's religion finds this offensive, then it's up to God to sort it out. In the meantime, I'm going to treat people the same way that I would want to be treated, and I want the freedom to practice my individual liberties as I see fit.
As far as Gay people go: I cannot fathom how that is a choice one would voluntarily make. No one wants to be ostracized, ridiculed, beaten, cursed, disowned, get turned out of their church, or possibly murdered simply to go against the grain and announce they are gay.
Gay people get ostracized, ridiculed, beated, cursed, disowned, turned away from their church, and occasionally get murdered because they can't hide who they truly are.
If gay people are being annoyingly vocal, it's because for once in recorded history, the majority of heterosexual people are willing to listen to their plight. Gays have a lot of grievances to air. They now know they are relatively safe, and they are banding together to demand equality. If one does not like the vocal nature of this group, giving them what they want (like marriage equality) will give them reason to finally find some peace.
If one's religion finds this offensive, then it's up to God to sort it out. In the meantime, I'm going to treat people the same way that I would want to be treated, and I want the freedom to practice my individual liberties as I see fit.
The flaw in your argument is none of that is correct. The hairdresser (Antonio Darden) is an independent contractor (and owner of Antonio’s Hair Studio), but has a "Walk-ins Welcome" on the door, which makes it open to the general public. The hairdresser is also one that had done the governor's hair before, more than once, and it was only when he found out about the governor's stance on gay marriage that he then refused to do her hair anymore until she changed her stance, and told the governor's representative that very thing. We don't have to speculate as to the reason, be it tastes in shoes or anything else, because he went onto SiriusXM's OutQ Radio Channel and articulated quite clearly the sole reason he would not do her hair is because she is not a supporter of gay marriage. He told KOB-TV that he told her aids that until she changes her stance on "equal marriage" that he will not cut her hair.
Furthermore,
"A lot of people think that the formula, when it’s made from a hair colorist, that it’s your right to have," he explained. “It isn’t. You came here for me to formulate and do your hair color. Normally I sell the formula to people if they want to go to a different salon that is cheaper. I normally give the formula to clients if they’re moving out of state because I care about my clients. But I would not give that formula to her."
You mean like the wedding photographer, who picks and chooses which weddings she wants to photograph? It's not like she takes walk-ins for wedding photography. She can pick and choose, except the law says she can't.
They weren't all that silent, and it's astoundingly hypocritical. If you don't think it's hypocritical on the face of it, read this article. If you don't then think it's hypocritical, read the comments below the article. It's hemorrhaging hypocrisy.
Antonio Darden, Susana Martinez's Former Hairstylist, On His Decision Not To Cut New Mexico Governor's Hair
paullud
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Uh oh.
Run for your life. Where in the US has this been happening?
That statement kind of takes the wind out of your sails about the beaten and murdered point you made before.
Where is the inequality? Any gay or straight man can marry any gay or straight woman, it has always been equal. They want a special right to marry someone of the same sex, which I have no problem with. The statement about them just wanting "equality" has already been proven to be completely false, they want much more than gay marriage.
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Uh oh.
Where in the US has this been happening?
That statement kind of takes the wind out of your sails about the beaten and murdered point you made before.
Where is the inequality? Any gay or straight man can marry any gay or straight woman, it has always been equal. They want a special right to marry someone of the same sex, which I have no problem with. The statement about them just wanting "equality" has already been proven to be completely false, they want much more than gay marriage.
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What does it have to be "some special right"..that's where equality comes in...you can marry who you love...why deny that to others??
What do you mean more than marriage?
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No, they aren't different. Butcher, baker, candlestick maker as well as photographers and hair dressers are open to any part of the public they choose to be open to. The only way there's a difference is if needed to support the argument above.
paullud
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The government doesn't recognize love, they recognize a man marrying a woman. A gay man has always had the ability to marry any single, willing woman so they already have equality and the same rights as a straight man. In any states that don't allow gay marriage a straight man can't marry another man, so again it is equal. "Marriage equality" is a gay propaganda term that makes it look like they are fighting for the same rights when what they want is a special or new right to marry someone of the same sex. I understand the idea that what they want is to marry someone that they are sexually attracted to and I have no problem with that because it hurts no one.
When I say that they want more than "marriage equality" I am talking about the fact that they had the right to have their marriage or union recognized by states like NC but they decided to fight for the word marriage. If you have the exact same benefits as a straight marriage then why keep fighting with people over a word when they already recognize your relationship. They are trying to force their way into people's lives that just don't want them in their lives which should be their right.
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They are not forcing..why should they settle for anything less than marriage...they pay taxes ..there american citizens ...it is about being equal...Dont blame them a bit for standing up...why do you care if 2 women are legally married??? How does that affect you???
Its crazy to think in 2014 we are still denying people the right...yes the right to get MARRIED
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Uh oh.
Where in the US has this been happening?
That statement kind of takes the wind out of your sails about the beaten and murdered point you made before.
Where is the inequality? Any gay or straight man can marry any gay or straight woman, it has always been equal. They want a special right to marry someone of the same sex, which I have no problem with. The statement about them just wanting "equality" has already been proven to be completely false, they want much more than gay marriage.
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So gay people have not been murdered ..beaten..disowned..shunned...really??
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Aren't you glad cattle,the ducks,sheep,goats,the Eagle, the whale, the fish, the rabbits, and so on are not gay. It does appear that it is natural not to be gay, but mankind will do what he wants to,, If your a man just wanting to hug your fellow boy friend and wallow around in your truck , please pull the curtains..............
No, it's not about being equal, it's about winning. A civil union gives them the same exact rights and equality as a marriage, but it doesn't have to have marriage redefined to do it. They want the "M" word so they can claim a win against religion. It's that simple. Civil unions were offered to gays in the 70s and the 80s, but they turned it down flat, because they want to win. It's the same exact reason a lesbian goes into a Muslim's barber shop and demands he give her a haircut, not because she needs a haircut, but because she wants the win over religion. I know that because she said it herself. That kind of action, along with the redefinition of marriage, is not equal rights, it's reprehensible. And it's indefensible. Defending that as being about equality is almost as moronic as believing the Bible is a science book.
So why can they not have marriage?? Why ..why can they not be equal
Came to conclusion... why would some care if 2 women/men get married..they must be miserable in there own lives .. can not stand to see 2 people happy...why else would they care??
Fight on gay people..fight on...get what is yours....
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Why is it that homosexuals get to redefine words? Redefining the word "gay" was not enough, now they want to redefine the word marriage. What's next?
There are multiple examples of different species of animals engaging in homosexual behavior. Dolphins, giraffes, chimps, bonobos (look on youtube) are but a few of the many animals that frequently bat for both teams.
So we're just throwing out random facts now? Or do you mean to imply that dolphins, giraffes, chimps, bonobos (look on youtube) are getting married, too?
Just because homosexuality exists in nature doesn't make it any less abnormal. The entire purpose of sex is the propagation of the species. The purpose of marriage is the stability within the clan to nurture that propagation, to take responsibility for that propagation. Homosexuality is the exact opposite of that. It may be natural that it occurs, but it's nevertheless abnormal. Dolphins, giraffes, chimps, bonobos (look on youtube) getting married even moreso.