Gang-related Thrill Killing in Duncan, OK

[letzrockexpress]

Not many people understand the conditions under which the Irish lived during the Great Famine, the discrimination they faced in Europe that forced them to emigrate to the US and Canada, or the conditions they endured when they got here. Do a little homework - you might change your mind.

I don''t need to do that homework. I have Irish ancestors who came here at that time. They didn't come shacked in chains and have to sleep in their own feces in the hold of a ship.

 

[muttly]

More like keeping it really delusional.

As Layout said there is millions of blacks who don't buy into the second class citizen bs and also the victim mentality that is spouted by the race hustlers Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as well as others, such as quite frankly your previous post. Most blacks are law abiding and hard working folks who are succeeding in this country. Most of what keeps the rest committing crimes such as the Oklahoma murder can be attributed to failed liberal policies and believing the race hustlers that nothing has changed in this country and ever will. You might enlighten yourself by picking up a book called : 'Paved With Good Intentions' by Jared Taylor. It hits on the real root causes of the remaining black plight. Not as you do by desperately clinging by your finger nails to the blame game from decades and centuries ago.

 

[letzrockexpress]

As Layout said there is millions of blacks who don't buy into the second class citizen bs and also the victim mentality that is spouted by the race hustlers Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as well as others, such as quite frankly your previous post. Most blacks are law abiding and hard working folks who are succeeding in this country. Most of what keeps the rest committing crimes such as the Oklahoma murder can be attributed to failed liberal policies and believing the race hustlers that nothing has changed in this country and ever will. You might enlighten yourself by picking up a book called : 'Paved With Good Intentions' by Jared Taylor. It hits on the real root causes of the remaining black plight. Not as you do by desperately clinging by your finger nails to the blame game from decades and centuries ago.

I'm not blaming anyone and I certainly don't need to read a book to explain common sense to me either. Your affinity for Talk Radio is crystal clear. I'm not hanging from my finger nails. That could damage my fine manicure. Life is good for me. Why shouldn't it be? I'm a white, hard working, male with a strong sense of personal responsibility... I have everything I need....

 

[muttly]

I'm not blaming anyone and I certainly don't need to read a book to explain common sense to me either. Your affinity for Talk Radio is crystal clear. I'm not hanging from my finger nails. That could damage my fine manicure. Life is good for me. Why shouldn't it be? I'm a white, hard working, male with a strong sense of personal responsibility... I have everything I need....

Figured as much. Carry on now . You seemed to have it all figured out it your closed mind anyway.

 

[aquitted]

Black is the new white.
Right is the new wrong
Gay is the new norm
Soon our right will be our left

 

[letzrockexpress]

You seemed o have it all figured out it your closed mind anyway.

Yep! Couldn't get anything in there with a shoehorn!

 

[cheri1122]

I believe the root cause of most of the problems we face today is unemployment. Capitalism and civilization require it, not to mention human dignity.
When we can solve that problem, many others will disappear as well.
Every oppressed group [from slaves to the much maligned Irish] has lifted itself from poverty via hard work, but that just isn't enough in today's economic environment, because it doesn't mean 'getting ahead' any more, for way too many people. And those are the people who have a job. Or two.

 

[paullud]

Clearly you did not either read my post or you don't understand what I said...

You stated that the black communities have the issues that they do because of what happened in the past.

Your take on the problems in our "black communities", i.e. "Cultural Rot", is purely a product of Chaos Theory. Had the Africans not been dragged from their homes in Africa and forced to perform the hard work of farmers in America, They wouldn't be viewed by you and yours as being so verminous.. You can give thanks to the slave traders and plantation owners of the 18th and 19th centuries for setting us up for this kind of disaster. What else would you expect from a people who have been designated as second class, demonized, ostracized, disenfranchised, excluded, and generally treated as less than human. A butterfly flaps it's wings and 100 years later the force of the energy from that action magnifies to the point it fuels a hurricane. Each and every one of us is a sum total of ours and our experiences here to for... Just keepin' it real...

The exact same thing can be said about any other ethnicity because throughout time people have done crappy things to each other. How many other races or ethnicities do you see sitting around dwelling on things that didn't happen to them and claiming they are victims?

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[letzrockexpress]

You stated that the black communities have the issues that they do because of what happened in the past.

Yes I did. If the former didn't happen, the latter would not have happened either.

How many other races or ethnicities do you see sitting around dwelling on things that didn't happen to them and claiming they are victims?

I'm not at all sure but what I do see is countless individuals complaining about it and doing nothing to help remedy it.

 

[paullud]

Yes I did. If the former didn't happen, the latter would not have happened either.

So you're saying if we didn't have blacks we wouldn't have crime problems?

I'm not at all sure but what I do see is countless individuals complaining about it and doing nothing to help remedy it.

The ones complaining about it are trying to change the big problem, our government.

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[letzrockexpress]

So you're saying if we didn't have blacks we wouldn't have crime problems?

Yes.

The ones complaining about it are trying to change the big problem, our government.

Complaining does not equal "doing". I hear a lot of hot air and don't see any action.

 

[muttly]

Your take on the problems in our "black communities", i.e. "Cultural Rot", is purely a product of Chaos Theory. Had the Africans not been dragged from their homes in Africa and forced to perform the hard work of farmers in America, They wouldn't be viewed by you and yours as being so verminous.. You can give thanks to the slave traders and plantation owners of the 18th and 19th centuries for setting us up for this kind of disaster. What else would you expect from a people who have been designated as second class, demonized, ostracized, disenfranchised, excluded, and generally treated as less than human. A butterfly flaps it's wings and 100 years later the force of the energy from that action magnifies to the point it fuels a hurricane. Each and every one of us is a sum total of ours and our experiences here to for... Just keepin' it real...[/QUOTE
Hmmm. I see a lot of complaining,hot air, and excuses. Not enough action.

 

[letzrockexpress]

Hmmm. I see a lot of complaining,hot air, and excuses. Not enough action.

It's none of your business but I will tell you that I have at times, and do occasionally now, teach illiterate adults to read. I have and do volunteer my help as time permits. There are literacy programs in just about every county in America. You might be surprised at how many adults can't even read at a first grade level. The self esteem these people develop as a result of having this skill we take for granted goes a long way in discouraging bad behavior in the future... I am not merely the internet blowhard you think I am....

 

[davekc]

I believe the root cause of most of the problems we face today is unemployment. Capitalism and civilization require it, not to mention human dignity.
When we can solve that problem, many others will disappear as well.
Every oppressed group [from slaves to the much maligned Irish] has lifted itself from poverty via hard work, but that just isn't enough in today's economic environment, because it doesn't mean 'getting ahead' any more, for way too many people. And those are the people who have a job. Or two.

Life isn't fair. Unless of course you are looking for a more socialist society. Capitalism has to thrive in order for employment to increase. Just a reality because they are holding the money.
Most able body people that aren't working I find create their own situation.
They either make themselves undesirable to a employer, are uneducated, have unrealistic expectations or have a laundry list of "I don't wannas".

 

[cheri1122]

Life isn't fair.

No idea why you mentioned it, but I agree. If it were, I don't think I'd be short, left handed, and clumsy, too.

Unless of course you are looking for a more socialist society.

Not sure what exactly that means, but we're already a blend of capitalism/socialism. I don't think the system is the problem.

Capitalism has to thrive in order for employment to increase.

Again, I agree. But capitalism has been thriving for years, without much improvement in employment or wages. You know: the rich are getting richer, etc. Without restraint, capitalism can easily become quite ugly.

Just a reality because they are holding the money.

And that seems to play a large part in the issue: profits have risen exponentially, but have not been reinvested in the human capital that made it happen. Except at the top of the food chain, of course. I just read an interesting article about how the jobs that go unfilled [at the middle level, neither entry nor management] are often due to Human Resource Dept's reliance on useless buzzwords = I mean keywords, when searching resumes & boards like LinkedIn, causing them to miss the very applicants they ought to grab: the creative ones. The ones who can move a company ahead, producing new ideas, markets, products - whatever. Instead, the keywords don't match and the jobs go unfilled. It's nuts - and it's absolutely believable, IMO.

Most able body people that aren't working I find create their own situation.
They either make themselves undesirable to a employer, are uneducated, have unrealistic expectations or have a laundry list of "I don't wannas".

I'm sure there are those people, and I bet you see a fair amount of that personally, being in a position to provide 'jobs' that the ignorant believe don't require much skill [making them entry level], but I do not believe there are enough of them to explain the persistent and critical unemployment problem. Especially as a great many of them were employed for many years before their employer decided to outsource [to a cheaper labor country] or just eliminate their job in order to make an earnings target that would allow them to keep their own job [and maybe qualify for a bonus]. Employers know that the remaining workers will absorb the extra work, not wanting to lose their own jobs too, so it works well for them.
There is a very pronounced distaste for 'labor' that has been creeping up in the past few decades, that scares me. It won't end well, if the greed at the top isn't restrained somehow.
The skyrocketing difference between the typical manangement/labor wage in the past 4-5 decades, says they aren't inclined to restrain themselves.

 

[Pilgrim]

Here's an opinion piece based on facts that drives home some points about the "black cultural rot" in today's American society. This was obviously written before the recent thrill killings in OK and WA, but thrill killings are probably not news in places like Chicago.

The Black Community in America
by K J Rush
July 18, 2012

There was an interesting exchange the other night on Fox’s“The O’Reilly Factor” between host Bill O’Reilly and Fox contributor and journalist Bernie Goldberg. The discussion began by talking about the increased crime rate in Chicago. It was reported that there have been 203 homicides in Chicago since the beginning of 2012 (a 50% increase over the same period in 2011) and O’Reilly was questioning Goldberg as to why? The media reported that the increase in predominantly black neighborhoods had to do with the fragmentation of street gangs while others speculated it is the high unemployment rate among blacks.

In an earlier segment, O’Reilly had an exchange with former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown whereit was revealed that Black unemployment today is15%, compared to the national average of 8.2%, while black youth unemployment is 40%. The O’Reilly/Goldberg discussion then moved to the topic of unwed births among black women. Goldberg tied the two issues together when he declared, “In the entire recorded history of the planet, there has never been a greater voluntary abandonment by men of their children.” He further stated that, “many pundits are unwilling to touch the subject of the disintegrating black family.”

Goldberg said, “Black civil rights attribute this to racism, but in 1940, when there was a lot of racism in America, the out-of-wedlock birth rate in black America was 19%.” O’Reilly injected, “that in 1965 the out-of-wedlock birth rate in black America was 23-25% but today it is 72.5%.” “I think it's embarrassing," Goldberg declared, “that the out-of-wedlock birth rate today is 72.5% for African Americans. The rise coincides with the beginning of the Great Society welfare state, the government became the father!" Goldberg blasted both parties for avoiding the issue. "Democrats will never speak honestly to black people because their liberal white guilt gets in the way, and Republicans won't speak honestly because they don't have the courage to do it."

Goldberg also brought up the issue of education, or rejection of, in the black community. He said many black youth “in some perverse way, thinks going to school is acting white and that is why there is such a high dropout rate.” He further stated that the lack of education and the breakdown of the family unit “creates chaos and that is why you have so many blacks being killed in Chicago.”

Capitol Rush: THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN AMERICA

Just to summarize with the following bullet points as they were 13 months ago:

• Black unemployment is almost twice the national average
• Black youth unemployment is 40%
• Out-of-wedlock birthrate among blacks today is 72.5%
• Out-of-wedlock birthrate among blacks in 1965 was around 23%.

How can these uneducated, abandoned, welfare-raised kids expect to have any kind of life when they're brought up to blame all their troubles on white people and expect liberal politicians and govt bureaucrats to provide everything for them? Their role models are grossly overpaid professional athletes that are mostly societal misfits, and derelict rap-crappers that glorify crime, drugs, misogyny, and gang culture as a way of life. Human life means nothing, and spending time in prison is considered by many of them to be a rite of passage.

Ironically, there was a segment on one of the cable news networks yesterday that was addressing the issue of the poor relations between the Chicago police and the black communities. One of the police officials was telling some of the neighborhood leaders that they were going to have to take back their own streets if they wanted to get rid of the gangs and restore order - that the cops and the govt can't do everything. Was he encouraging vigilante action? Sounds like a plan that might work.

 

[davekc]

You aren't going to restrain the "greed" because that is who provides the employment. Restrain that like you see now and bang.....unemployment goes up....or that employment turns to part time.
Just a reality that we live in.
If someone is in a company that downsized, they have to change their expectations. They might not be worth what they thought and refuse to take something of lesser pay or educate themselves for something else. In otherwords.....they don't wanna.
The opportunities are there.
As far as the rich getting richer, only to a point. The country has less wealth at the top than it did ten years ago. As for the poor, they have the highest standard of living that is unmatch by any other country.
As far as the top wage earners that are making "big money", it is only one percent of the population. Just not enough of them to hang the blame on.
One thing for sure that Pilgrim's article shows is the desinigration of the family certainly plays a part. Some of it is chronic unemployment but much of it is cultural.

 

[cheri1122]

We've seen the unemployment go up and the jobs become part time, for a long time now, but I haven't seen any restraint in the greed at many of the biggest companies - and especially the ones that hire entry level, and the ones that have eliminated jobs in recent years.
It would be great if we could improve the rate of employment for black youth [which I strongly suspect would have a positive effect on the education & marriage rates of subsequent generations] but first, there have to be jobs, and that puts us back to the beginning again.
Your famous philosophy "Businessman first, driver second" applies to other people as well: if it doesn't pay what I need, why should I take it?

 

[davekc]

We've seen the unemployment go up and the jobs become part time, for a long time now, but I haven't seen any restraint in the greed at many of the biggest companies - and especially the ones that hire entry level, and the ones that have eliminated jobs in recent years.
It would be great if we could improve the rate of employment for black youth [which I strongly suspect would have a positive effect on the education & marriage rates of subsequent generations] but first, there have to be jobs, and that puts us back to the beginning again.
Your famous philosophy "Businessman first, driver second" applies to other people as well: if it doesn't pay what I need, why should I take it?

If someone that is able body and unemployed, then they need to "take care of business". It may not "pay what they need" initially, but one has to start somewhere or you have people that resign themselves to "it doesn't pay enough so I will never work again and live off everyone else".
As mentioned, if people are working entry level positions, they need to gain a marketable skill to advance. It really is that simple. Technology has replaced many positions and will continue to so.

You are correct in that "greed" hasn't changed for many of the largest employers, but you will also find there are less of them and really employ a small fraction of the total workforce.
People want to blame the "big guys", but there simply isn't that many of them. Small companies make up the majority of the people providing jobs. If each large company (Fortune 500) agreed to hire 1000 workers, it wouldn't hardly make a dent in the overall employment picture.

 

[Maverick]

I don''t need to do that homework. I have Irish ancestors who came here at that time. They didn't come shacked in chains and have to sleep in their own feces in the hold of a ship.

Hmmm........

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