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[letzrockexpress]

Hmmm........

Hoffman reveals: The Forgotten Slaves--Whites in Servitude

No revelation there. Most of those "slavs" were indentured. I am sure there were some white slaves here and there but nowhere near to the extent of black slaves. the source seems a little biased ans suspect as well...

 

[skyraider]

If one is not Latino, African American , Mexican, and so on, how can any of us that are not in any of their shoes give advice, opinions and expect them to follow our advice.....just saying... so , If your not in their skin/culture, we the armchair anthropologist/ home made sociologist, are digging in the dark...

 

[Maverick]

I am sure there were some white slaves here and there but nowhere near to the extent of black slaves.

"I challenge any researcher to study 17th century colonial America, sifting the documents, the jargon and the statutes on both sides of the Atlantic and one will discover that White slavery was a far more extensive operation than Black enslavement. It is when we come to the 18th century that one begins to encounter more "servitude" on the basis of a contract of indenture. But even in that period there was kidnapping of Anglo-Saxons into slavery as well as convict slavery".

Do you then accept the challenge offered? Have you sifted the said documents? Me? I don't really concern myself with it because all races of peoples have been slaves over the centuries, of this there is absolutely no doubt.

the source seems a little biased ans suspect as well

Of course he would HAVE to be. It goes against the history taught from school books, which should all be thrown in the waste basket because the victors write the history, governments hide the history (or downplay) and we need to keep the people divided over this issue as it serves the nanny state.

The other reason his extensive research HAS to be wrong? It's a cornerstone brick which holds up a belief system. If he's right (along with countless others) one of our little foundation bricks takes a tumble. And if that one tumbles, what else is wrong with our learned history, or events? Most are very careful in allowing even one brick to fall....because it threatens the whole enchilada.

 

[Pilgrim]

I don''t need to do that homework. I have Irish ancestors who came here at that time. They didn't come shacked in chains and have to sleep in their own feces in the hold of a ship.

Maybe maybe your ancestors didn't, but a lot of their fellow countrymen did.

In time, these boats became known as 'coffin ships' because, as the Irish Times described, their passengers "were only flying from one form of death." While they may have left starvation behind, many of these passengers were already in extremely bad health after a year or more of inadequate nutrition and exposure to illness. With their physical state already desperate, the last thing they needed was to be crammed into overcrowded, insanitary conditions with hundreds of others.Just one case of typhus, which was rampant among the poor at this time, could spread like wildfire in the conditions on the coffin ships, and many were to die before, or shortly after, reaching the other side of the Atlantic. Others drowned when their ships were overwhelmed by ocean storms or fell upon rocks.

See more at: Coffin ships: the immigration ships that sailed to Grosse Isle, Canada's immigration point.​

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[paullud]

If one is not Latino, African American , Mexican, and so on, how can any of us that are not in any of their shoes give advice, opinions and expect them to follow our advice.....just saying... so , If your not in their skin/culture, we the armchair anthropologist/ home made sociologist, are digging in the dark...

The obvious problem with that thinking is that skin color doesn't matter when it comes to having a solid family, moral foundation which creates successful people.

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[letzrockexpress]

"I challenge any researcher to study 17th century colonial America, sifting the documents, the jargon and the statutes on both sides of the Atlantic and one will discover that White slavery was a far more extensive operation than Black enslavement. It is when we come to the 18th century that one begins to encounter more "servitude" on the basis of a contract of indenture. But even in that period there was kidnapping of Anglo-Saxons into slavery as well as convict slavery".

Do you then accept the challenge offered? Have you sifted the said documents? Me? I don't really concern myself with it because all races of peoples have been slaves over the centuries, of this there is absolutely no doubt.



Of course he would HAVE to be. It goes against the history taught from school books, which should all be thrown in the waste basket because the victors write the history, governments hide the history (or downplay) and we need to keep the people divided over this issue as it serves the nanny state.

The other reason his extensive research HAS to be wrong? It's a cornerstone brick which holds up a belief system. If he's right (along with countless others) one of our little foundation bricks takes a tumble. And if that one tumbles, what else is wrong with our learned history, or events? Most are very careful in allowing even one brick to fall....because it threatens the whole enchilada.

This is interesting and provocative. Perhaps I will research it more. So based on my original premise how do you discern that this applies?

 

[Maverick]

This is interesting and provocative. Perhaps I will research it more. So based on my original premise how do you discern that this applies?

First, I hold no malice toward those who hold a belief system. After all, I was once that person.

The way I see it being applied is two fold.....There were many whites who suffered in the bowels of slave ships, by the thousands. But I do understand why people don't know, and I personally have done endless research on many aspects of so called "historical fact." I was a straight A history student, but always felt something was a little off....about many things.

The other part of this comes down to the racial discussions often coming upon this forum. It's my contention white people are not so much racists, as they're keen to things not properly represented, and do understand slavery was wrong.....but had nothing to do with it.

Who bought and sold slaves, handed down the punishments, and ran the trade overall? You wanna know what I think? It's the same doggone people who are beating you/me down right now. I'm never content in thinking others hold the same conscience as you, or I. They don't.

The almighty dollar was, and still is, the bottom line.

 

[Moot]

Is that a typical article from The American Thinker? Yikes what a hate filled venomous article.

Easy for you to say! Would you care to point out just a couple of examples of the hatred and venom in this article? I'm not very familiar with The American Thinker, other than the few pieces that have been posted in the Soapbox that I have read. I did read this article and failed to see any hate filled, venomous content. The author did seem to have a certain loathing for The Great Society and what it has done to this country though.

 

[letzrockexpress]

First, I hold no malice toward those who hold a belief system. After all, I was once that person.

The way I see it being applied is two fold.....There were many whites who suffered in the bowels of slave ships, by the thousands. But I do understand why people don't know, and I personally have done endless research on many aspects of so called "historical fact." I was a straight A history student, but always felt something was a little off....about many things.

The other part of this comes down to the racial discussions often coming upon this forum. It's my contention white people are not so much racists, as they're keen to things not properly represented, and do understand slavery was wrong.....but had nothing to do with it.

Who bought and sold slaves, handed down the punishments, and ran the trade overall? You wanna know what I think? It's the same doggone people who are beating you/me down right now. I'm never content in thinking others hold the same conscience as you, or I. They don't.

The almighty dollar was, and still is, the bottom line.

All your points are good and valid ones. If I accept that White Slavery was once as prevalent as Black Slavery, I have to think Black Slavery probably stands out more and was more reprehensible simply because Blacks in America in slave days were almost all slaves and were here only for that reason. A white slave, sorry to say, was white and if escaped could easily blend in with everyone else. I suppose it is psychologically easier to accept that White Slavery could not have been as harsh Black Slavery for the average guy like myself. I appreciate your take on this.

 

[witness23]

It is a Strawman, quit giving it credence.

 

[muttly]

It is a Strawman, quit giving it credence.

Said the wealthy black basketball player who plays for the Miami Heat.

 

[witness23]

Said the wealthy black basketball player who plays for the Miami Heat.

lol.....huh?

In all seriousness, please take us all through the thought process of your post and then explain to us all why you thought it would be a good idea to hit the "Post Reply" button.

 

[muttly]

lol.....huh?

In all seriousness, please take us all through the thought process of your post and then explain to us all why you thought it would be a good idea to hit the "Post Reply" button.

In all seriousness, given your previous post that you appear in agreement with Rock's analysis that most if not all of the black communities current problems can be attributed to whites and past slavery. If this is your view as well it based on flawed thinking . It is the flawed philosophy of Obama and not the philosphy MLK.
The former is based on excuses,blame, and can't do. The latter is based on can do and personal excellence....The Lebron reference was about how a young black kid who lived in something like eight apartments as a kid had a dream, worked toward his dream, and at the age all of eighteen was made a millionare. Just pointing out the irony of your post next to your avatar . No joke.

 

[davekc]

If one is not Latino, African American , Mexican, and so on, how can any of us that are not in any of their shoes give advice, opinions and expect them to follow our advice.....just saying... so , If your not in their skin/culture, we the armchair anthropologist/ home made sociologist, are digging in the dark...

If they have not achieve their desired level of success then rather than complaining, they would be better served to find the ones that are successful whether black, latino, or whatever and follow in those footsteps. Most are not born successful. It is a learned trait.

 

[witness23]

In all seriousness, given your previous post that you appear in agreement with Rock's analysis that most if not all of the black communities current problems can be attributed to whites and past slavery. If this is your view as well it based on flawed thinking . It is the flawed philosophy of Obama and not the philosphy MLK.
The former is based on excuses,blame, and can't do. The latter is based on can do and personal excellence....The Lebron reference was about how a young black kid who lived in something like eight apartments as a kid had a dream, worked toward his dream, and at the age all of eighteen was made a millionare. Just pointing out the irony of your post next to your avatar . No joke.

Your reply makes me believe that you just may have a room somewhere that looks like this:

 

[Pilgrim]

In all seriousness, given your previous post that you appear in agreement with Rock's analysis that most if not all of the black communities current problems can be attributed to whites and past slavery. If this is your view as well it based on flawed thinking . It is the flawed philosophy of Obama and not the philosphy MLK.
The former is based on excuses,blame, and can't do. The latter is based on can do and personal excellence....The Lebron reference was about how a young black kid who lived in something like eight apartments as a kid had a dream, worked toward his dream, and at the age all of eighteen was made a millionare. Just pointing out the irony of your post next to your avatar . No joke.

Another example might be the Asian community as a whole, and the Chinese in particular. Everybody either likes to forget or maybe didn't know about the Chinese enslavement that went on in China and right here in America less than 100 years ago. Regardless, a lot of them arose from being slaves or came to America with literally nothing and made themselves successful with hard work and ambition based on their deep-seated cultural values. America's black culture needs to divorce itself from the race mongers and poverty pimps like Sharpton and Jackson, throw off the crutch of liberal welfare govt-provides-all mentality and quit using the cop-out that blames all their troubles on the enslavement of people that lived 150 years ago that may or may not have been their relatives or ancestors. Compare the black population with that of the Asians in the US today; obviously they're at the opposite ends of the social spectrum for reasons that are - obvious!

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Chinese_Slavery_in_America

 

[Maverick]

quit using the cop-out that blames all their troubles on the enslavement of people that lived 150 years ago that may or may not have been their relatives or ancestors.

A case could also be made for learning to appreciate the freedom granted while giving some inner reflection toward where most of they're ancestors still are. Sometimes, sifting through the heartache and coming to terms, holds a hidden blessing?

Put another way, how does one suppose they're great grandparents, who were actually slaves.....would appreciate or condone they're behavior, now being free? The example might run parallel to our own founding fathers, who might give us all a quick kick in the rear....for acting like we do sometimes.

Everything's relative.