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FSC-Why don't companies pay 100% of it to us?

Bruno

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
nightcreacher said:
This blog is getting crazy.We are now talking FSC.Ok you guys that get 100%,are you getting it on dead head miles?Bet not.Your getting, like I get,100% but only on loaded miles,and that's 100% of what's being charged to the paying customer.Since it seems that the way FDCC pays their FSC,is in question,as LEO has stated,they pay all miles,from pick up to delivery to layover.This could be even more than 100%,if the empty miles are very high.Myself,when I was at C C,I have found that when I would get a discount load,sometimes the FSC would bring the pay back to the original pay,before the discount.FDCC fsc is based on 1.25/gallon.On every load,you can determine what the fsc will be,all you need to know are the total miles.Won't be that easy to figure your line haul pay though,because of the discounts.
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Steve that is what the post is about, FSC. Mine an your old carrier is charging the customer alot more that you think. Why do you think they removed the part on the webpage where anyone could get rates? Because they didn't want their owners and drivers to see what it was. I would check every week when you could, now you have to get a login to get rates. I would do a rate quote from Akron, Ohio to the 90210 zip code. The FSC for that load was $1.26 a mile for a E-unit. Now fuel what higher two years ago too.
 
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Jefferson3000

Jefferson3000

Expert Expediter
Bruno said:
Steve that is what the post is about, FSC. Mine an your old carrier is charging the customer alot more that you think. Why do you think they removed the part on the webpage where anyone could get rates? Because they didn't want their owners and drivers to see what it was. I would check every week when you could, now you have to get a login to get rates. I would do a rate quote from Akron, Ohio to the 90210 zip code. The FSC for that load was $1.26 a mile for a E-unit. Now fuel what higher two years ago too.
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There is not a carrier on the planet that charges everyone the same rate. As a "common carrier", they are required to publish tariffs, a practice that is really not enforced any longer. The tariffs are always on the high end. When you go to any LTL carriers page, you will see a tariff calculator. Ever notice the field for you to put in your discount? That's because not every customer pays the same.
 
LDB

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Bruno said:
Leo

11887 of total miles of 60882 is 19.54% not 27.5% do the math again. At our old carrier the deadhead miles was 38%. That was because we had to deadhead to the Express Centers. Don't get me wrong, we made good money with our old carrier, but we have alot less stress at Panther than our old carrier. Like you have said many times on EO all carriers have warts.
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You have to add the 11887 plus the 1655 they actually recognize as deadhead. That amounts to 22.25% of the total miles and 27.6% on the loaded miles. I look at deadhead percentage to loaded miles. Others may look at deadhead to total miles. Neither way is wrong and neither is the only way to do it.

I don't think you can directly compare deadhead at Panther to deadhead at FXCC because provided you are going where you are suggested with FX you are bringing in money. With Panther you are usually not bringing in money on deadhead, except for those times it exceeds 100 miles.

90 miles dh at Panther = $0

90 miles dh at FX = 50 miles @ FSC and 40 miles at FSC + DH.

I don't remember the DH amount for straight trucks now and the FSC changes week to week of course but combined they pay the fuel for 90 miles at FX vs taking 90 miles of fuel money out of your own pocket with Panther.
 
Bruno

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
LDB said:
You have to add the 11887 plus the 1655 they actually recognize as deadhead. That amounts to 22.25% of the total miles and 27.6% on the loaded miles. I look at deadhead percentage to loaded miles. Others may look at deadhead to total miles. Neither way is wrong and neither is the only way to do it.

I don't think you can directly compare deadhead at Panther to deadhead at FXCC because provided you are going where you are suggested with FX you are bringing in money. With Panther you are usually not bringing in money on deadhead, except for those times it exceeds 100 miles.

90 miles dh at Panther = $0

90 miles dh at FX = 50 miles @ FSC and 40 miles at FSC + DH.

I don't remember the DH amount for straight trucks now and the FSC changes week to week of course but combined they pay the fuel for 90 miles at FX vs taking 90 miles of fuel money out of your own pocket with Panther.
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We can agree to disagree. You have your way of looking at things, and I have my way of looking at things. We are not always going to agree on things. It all comes out to what your grossing for all miles with FSC. No matter what we put on paper. I go by the total miles the truck has ran for the year. I will let you know what the truck does the rest of the 54.24% we have to go in this year. :)

Right now this truck is making $1.32 for all miles. When we was at our old carrier we was making $1.13 for all miles when we left.
 
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guido4475

guido4475

Not a Member
Moot said:
Guido started it in post #11. Moot enjoys being an illeist and believes it gives his posts more credibility. Kinda like being an elitist, only spelled different.
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What did I start in post 11? I was simply relying to a post.This is getting way too deep for me, that is for sure.lol
 
guido4475

guido4475

Not a Member
To set the record straight, I wasnt or am not whining or crying about the fsc, but was just wondering and curious. I am extremely happy with All-State, and getting out of debt alot faster here than originally projected.I have no plans on leaving here. They have not given me a reason to want to.
 
Moot

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
guido4475 said:
What did I start in post 11? I was simply relying to a post.
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Post 11 is where you inadvertently inserted your words in between two quotes of mine (invasion of blue space) that made it appear I was referring to myself in the third person.

guido4475 said:
This is getting way too deep for me, that is for sure.lol
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I agree. It went over my head a long time ago. I just don't know when to quit.

As for a company not paying 100% of the f.s.c.; if a company can pocket part of the f.s.c. and still retain O/O's they will. All part of doing business.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
guido4475 said:
To set the record straight, I wasnt or am not whining or crying about the fsc, but was just wondering and curious. I am extremely happy with All-State, and getting out of debt alot faster here than originally projected.I have no plans on leaving here. They have not given me a reason to want to.
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you are happy with ASE..but are you happy about getting a whole thin dime for an FSC? I am not...I constantly nag my carrier about it....
 
LDB

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I'm satisfied with my 11.33cpm FSC since it's on every single mile I drive.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
LDB said:
I'm satisfied with my 11.33cpm FSC since it's on every single mile I drive.
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I don't fair too badly really on our system, we have some perks with dispatch..;)

thankfully my sprinter gets good mpg to make it work...
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Not voicing your opinion be it good or bad...is a sign of you letting them dominate you and your acceptance as a lesser submissive object....only thru your voice can you be at least heard...and let your feelings be known...
 
jelliott

jelliott

Veteran Expediter
Motor Carrier Executive
US Army
Our expedite group is a 100% pass through on FSC. The person paying for the fuel, should be the person getting the fuel surcharge. I do not believe for one minute that truckload carriers are making a profit on fuel surcharge, it is simply not possible. Now with that being said ltl carriers have been able to do so, and the president of YRC actually said that in an interview I read in Transport Topics.
 
chefdennis

chefdennis

Veteran Expediter
I guess its just a personal thing, but i don't care how much of the fsc is billed or how much of it is paid to me or how thing figure it, just a long as the total they pay me per mile works to my advantage.....and most of the time when dispatch calls with a load, i accept it based simply on the # of miles...and will only ask what the run pays based on which dispatcher is calling....

But then again i have been told i am a "vacation expediter"..:D
 
moose

moose

Veteran Expediter
jelliott said:
. I do not believe for one minute that truckload carriers are making a profit on fuel surcharge, it is simply not possible.
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why not ,afterall ,so many of them have reported they do ,for many years now. and nothing wrong with that .
first time i was reading about it ,was in a business class back in 03 ,as the class was presented with the fresh Schneider's 2002 quarterly earning statements .
that was also the rezone so many of them moved to a regional FSC pay .
& the rezone OOIDA have pursuit legislation on this same issue for so many years ,succeeding only on some Gov. loads for now .
(which go back to my earlier post regarding the legality of placing such loads on an Expedite truck without the proper paper trail).
it is also the rezone why the ATA have always & still fighting such legislation to the nail .
sorry go2go.
 
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