Free cellular... only for welfare recipients

[Turtle]

YOUR WHOLE REPLY TO MY LAST POST PROVES MY POINT

If that makes you feel better, then fine. But my insults are not backdoor insults, they are in-your-fact insults, because you are insulted by facts which expose ignorance and lack of comprehensibility. You stated things above which are incorrect, in an attempt to discredit me and thus what I said (which is insulting), and I responded to them all, yet in your response here you ignore everything, which is the only other tactic you have left (to dismiss me entirely) because you have emotion instead of facts as the basis for your argument. Whining and ranting about, and wanting to do away with free cell phones for welfare recipients instead of educating yourself about the real issue is like taking a morphine hit because your unrepaired broken leg hurts - it'll make you feel better, but it really doesn't fix anything.

 

[Turtle]

The commercials that are running state the opposite, IF you can believe commercials.

I know, I've seen 'em. The commercials cast a wide net looking for any and every body who might qualify. But I know of several people (two personally) who are on food stamps who do not qualify for the free cell phones.

 

[layoutshooter]

I know, I've seen 'em. The commercials cast a wide net looking for any and every body who might qualify. But I know of several people (two personally) who are on food stamps who do not qualify for the free cell phones.

Get them in touch with the UAW. They have connections. Maybe they did not have enough kids that they were not supporting? Like my niece and her 3. I have little doubt they will produce more, they are due for a pay raise.

 

[tbubster]

if that makes you feel better, then fine. But my insults are not backdoor insults, they are in-your-fact insults, because you are insulted by facts which expose ignorance and lack of comprehensibility. You stated things above which are incorrect, in an attempt to discredit me and thus what i said (which is insulting), and i responded to them all, yet in your response here you ignore everything, which is the only other tactic you have left (to dismiss me entirely) because you have emotion instead of facts as the basis for your argument. Whining and ranting about, and wanting to do away with free cell phones for welfare recipients instead of educating yourself about the real issue is like taking a morphine hit because your unrepaired broken leg hurts - it'll make you feel better, but it really doesn't fix anything.

If you say so.keep telling yourself how much smarter you are then all of us.if that is what will make you feel better about yourself.you know with us all being shallow and empty :d

 

[greg334]

It's a never ending amazement to me that people still believe that government 'handouts' are easy to get, and that a majority of folks would rather live on the handouts than work for a living.

I can tell you they are not easy to get, which makes me ask why are people complaining about one thing when they will not willing get off their a**es and help others outside their own families?

I know a few of you know what I have been doing for others, well for those who don't know I have two new boarders in my home and I help out three other families because all of them can not get those government handouts. Two families have people in the service in combat (three sons) and can't get any one to help them for their medical issues. It is not because they want to turn to this government help but have to because of the poor system we created within our society. The system failed them as much as it has failed a lot of others BUT what are you going to do to fix the problem when you all complain about it? Just cut everyone off?

 

[layoutshooter]

The best way to help people outside their family is to use local small businesses. Nothing better than to help them keep their jobs.

Greg, if it is the service members with med problems have them contact the DAV in Detroit. They are better than the Legion or VFW at cutting red tape. It is often the tape the is the problem.

Also, I have met few people who are angered at helping people who truly need it. I am fed up with supporting bums. You know as well as I that accounts for a large percentage of those on public services. The main reason we don't have enough money to help those who really need it are those who are ripping us off. Throwing more money at a problem will not solve it.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

What a sad evolution of such a promising Declaration of Independence.

Not necessarily aiming this at you, Cheri. But those on the left tend to remember only the "All men are created equal" and the "pursuit of happiness" parts. They never care about the responsibilities citizens have, stated in the Declaration. Most of it is about actually standing up to the government... indeed, throwing it off, and creating a new one. Shudder the thought!

Go back to your bread and circuses. Nothing to see here. Is that the theme to Housewives I hear? Better run!

 

[Dakota]

Not necessarily aiming this at you, Cheri. But those on the left tend to remember only the "All men are created equal" and the "pursuit of happiness" parts. They never care about the responsibilities citizens have, stated in the Declaration. Most of it is about actually standing up to the government... indeed, throwing it off, and creating a new one. Shudder the thought!

Go back to your bread and circuses. Nothing to see here. Is that the theme to Housewives I hear? Better run!

I think Jersey Shore is on

 

[chefdennis]

greg wrote:

I have two new boarders in my home and I help out three other families

gee should we all start telling what we do for others and organization that help others now??? I mean when did doing something for others need to be made public?? I can start a list (oh dang, there i go braggin on myself) and it would include some right here on this board....but i don't need to tell everyone to try and prove a point...or for a pat on the back..

 

[greg334]

gee should we all start telling what we do for others and organization that help others now??? I mean when did doing something for others need to be made public?? I can start a list (oh dang, there i go braggin on myself) and it would include some right here on this board....but i don't need to tell everyone to try and prove a point...or for a pat on the back..

Gee dennis I guess you could call it bragging... but it isn't that at all so don't make it out to be that way to try to shut me up. It is great that you help others, but my message wasn't pointed at you nor I considered you to be the person who wouldn't help.

Like in the recent past where another member went off on me when I made a comment about revenue, I sent them a PM to say what I do and where my money goes and they still bashed me again in the general forum (makes one wonder what a mod's job is sometimes). So here I posted that info because I get tired of hearing the negitive of these policies and laws without understanding what it takes to get into the system or that in fact not everyone gets the help they need. Like Cheri said it isn't all that easy nor is it all that great. BUT unlike Cheri, I find in this industry there is a lot of selfish people and it seems to be reflective of society as a whole so I have to conclude that society is at fault for the issues anyone has with any welfare program and it will take society to fix those problems but until then people need to just come to grips that these policies are both conservative and liberal policies alike OR IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN, STEP UP AND SHOW PEOPLE OTHER WAYS THAT WORK BETTER.

 

[Turtle]

OR IN OTHER WORDS IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN, STEP UP AND SHOW PEOPLE OTHER WAYS THAT WORK BETTER.

Those who complain the loudest are the same ones who don't vote but say they do, and don't write their elected officials but say they do.

 

[cheri1122]

Not necessarily aiming this at you, Cheri. But those on the left tend to remember only the "All men are created equal" and the "pursuit of happiness" parts. They never care about the responsibilities citizens have, stated in the Declaration. Most of it is about actually standing up to the government... indeed, throwing it off, and creating a new one. Shudder the thought!

Can't say what 'those on the left' tend to remember, but what I remember is that it was written with the sole aim of preventing the powerful from abusing the less powerful. And it was very much from the perspective of the less powerful that it was inspired: the colonies were sick of the King seeing them as a revenue source for his objectives.
A lot of taxpayers today can understand that. Both government and private enterprise are using their power to capture revenue [the toll increases are the latest example - we have no choice but to use the bridges if we need to get across the river!] from people who have little option but to comply.
The founding fathers definitely wouldn't have approved of 'supporting bums', [nor do I] but they'd have been even more upset at a government that subsidizes the greediest of capitalists [the Universal Service Fee is but one example] at the expense of the people.
Because the 'lazy bums' may not be, or would rather not be, if jobs, transportation, and childcare were available, but there's no excuse for the greedy, who have the education, intelligence, and ability to prosper without abusing their power for profit.

Go back to your bread and circuses. Nothing to see here. Is that the theme to Housewives I hear? Better run!

 

[greg334]

I think Cheri, that the founding fathers would have been so angry at the country over the issue of having ignorant voters.

Capitalism isn't the problem, the greed by corporations isn't, the enabler is the voter who doesn't think is.

 

[layoutshooter]

Not necessarily aiming this at you, Cheri. But those on the left tend to remember only the "All men are created equal" and the "pursuit of happiness" parts. They never care about the responsibilities citizens have, stated in the Declaration. Most of it is about actually standing up to the government... indeed, throwing it off, and creating a new one. Shudder the thought!

Can't say what 'those on the left' tend to remember, but what I remember is that it was written with the sole aim of preventing the powerful from abusing the less powerful. And it was very much from the perspective of the less powerful that it was inspired: the colonies were sick of the King seeing them as a revenue source for his objectives.
A lot of taxpayers today can understand that. Both government and private enterprise are using their power to capture revenue [the toll increases are the latest example - we have no choice but to use the bridges if we need to get across the river!] from people who have little option but to comply.
The founding fathers definitely wouldn't have approved of 'supporting bums', [nor do I] but they'd have been even more upset at a government that subsidizes the greediest of capitalists [the Universal Service Fee is but one example] at the expense of the people.
Because the 'lazy bums' may not be, or would rather not be, if jobs, transportation, and childcare were available, but there's no excuse for the greedy, who have the education, intelligence, and ability to prosper without abusing their power for profit.

Go back to your bread and circuses. Nothing to see here. Is that the theme to Housewives I hear? Better run!

Now the government is the powerful. Just as it was when we revolted against England. The circle has come around. The People are no longer in charge, Washington is. They wanted to rule us and we allowed them to do so. They are opposed to freedom in a very nasty way. Just about everything they are now doing, every law and tax passed, is there for the purpose of controlling the population.

 

[witness23]

Facts.....Schmacks.....why let that get in the way of a good "frothy"?

 

[cheri1122]

I think Cheri, that the founding fathers would have been so angry at the country over the issue of having ignorant voters.

Capitalism isn't the problem, the greed by corporations isn't, the enabler is the voter who doesn't think is.

Ruling out the ones who haven't the capacity for critical thought, it's nearly impossible for voters to be well informed. The media that we rely on for information often presents a biased picture, sound bytes stand in for real comments, and even in depth coverage often leaves many questions unanswered.
The issues are complex, legislation is incomprehensible [many Senators & Congresspeople don't even know the entirety of the bills they sign!], and misinformation abounds - how much time does even a thoughtful citizen have to devote to untangling it all?