Frances Fox Piven

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I have to ask, what bureaucrat selected that job for you and told you if you don't take it, you will end up in a reeducation camp?

Outside of feeding your family, which is not the reason I'm asking, I don't understand your defensive position on what I said, you were not the target nor was it intended to trash people who had to join to make ends meet. HOWEVER for those who think they can't live without a union, it is.

I too had to join the union and I didn't give a crap about it, but I also won't defend anyone over it or the union. IT was a choice for me, but I wanted to make the big bucks and that was that.

BUT a lot of the hunters I know are UAW/Teamsters/IBEW workers, they appear on opening day to hunt, so I base my comment on that.

As for the right to work laws, yes our state needs them as much as our country doesn't need to support the unions by paying for the pensions or "lending" money to the auto unions through the companies.

I think our state will not come back until this idea that we all have to share in the sacrifice as our new leader speaks of. Instead I think they, the politicians need to be made to pay for their inability to lead the state, hence making them an unpaid part time legislation with the governor earning a buck a year. UNTIL then, we are going to rank at the bottom of every list and even have countries in Africa like the Sudan be more economically attractive than we can be for a long time.

Greg, I got out of the army in 1973. It was BAD in Detroit back then, you remember. I was also a vet, NOT the first choice of MANY employers back then. I was turned down 3 different times because I was a vet. I then got a job, was doing fine, got laid off the SAME day we found out my wife was expecting our first.

I am NOT a welfare ranger. I applied for jobs all over the area. Worked "crud" jobs, 2 or 3 at a time to provide. I paid MY OWN medical insurance. THEN got called on the Great Lakes job. I took it.

I only question you "broad paint brush" I do NOT support unions as an organization but know that they are NOT the solid block mindset you paint. Just because they hunting opening day does NOT mean it was in contract. There are vacations, and some even lied and called in sick.

 

[jpalmer]

You know what's funny? Brisco talking about Civil War between "Conservatives" and "Liberals" and greg actually responding, telling him why the "Conservatives" wouldn't have the upper hand over "Liberals" in a Civil War here in America.

Some of you need to take a break from the road, turn off the t.v., turn off the talk radio, shut down the computer and come back to reality.

Read a good book(apolitical of course), spend some quality time with your family, maybe take up model airplane building, or go fishing, something. I really do fear for some people's mental health here in the Soapbox.

Get back to reality? Not sure what you are implying here. but, reality is 4 dollar a gallon gas, rioting in europe, massive inflation and out of control government...

Or is that a fox news conspiracy?

I did pay $3.65 a gallon today.......