Frances Fox Piven

[jpalmer]

This morning I was doing my morning rounds on what the commies are talking about this morning and found this interview with Frances Fox Pivon. She can't figure out why Americans are not rioting like the middle easterners and people in Europe.

This lady truly is delusional...Whats sad is. She's a professor..

Piven Complains Paranoid Nut Beck Falsely Accused Her of Calling for US Revolution; Moments Later Hopes for Revolution & Lays Out Her Paranoid Theory: Racist Tea Party Nazis With Nukes | The Blaze

 

[dieseldiva]

If she's so falsely accused, what would she call THIS??

 

[jpalmer]

I think the only time people will get up in this country and organize is when we have to stand up and defend liberty. The people in America don't see government as the ultimate creator or ultimate power. Our military takes an oath to defend and protect the constitution. They don't take an oath to defend or protect a particular person or power....

These socialist and anarchists are an extreme minority in this country. Piven said in that video she is scared of the tea party. She's only scared because the Tea Party supports small limited government.

What do you think will happen if these socialists call for the military to start shooting on Americans? I am pretty convinced it'll be the end of days for those socialists........

In middle eastern countries there is a disconnect between the military's and the citizens...In America. The Citizens are the military...

 

[Brisco]

The people in America don't see government as the ultimate creator or ultimate power. Our military takes an oath to defend and protect the constitution. They don't take an oath to defend or protect a particular person or power....

These socialist and anarchists are an extreme minority in this country.

What do you think will happen if these socialists call for the military to start shooting on Americans? I am pretty convinced it'll be the end of days for those socialists........

If this scenario were to happen under the watch and order of our current administration, simply put, it would be the end of the Democratic Party as a whole.

We have too many Veterans and retired experienced Military Leaders, as well as current Military Leaders in our Armed Services today, that fully believe in the Constitution, believe what our Founding Fathers had in mind for the future of America, and who believe in Americas Core Values, that could easily easily lead an uprising against the Socialist Idealogs that we currently have in the WH.

I for one will join any Coup d'état that may come about in our future against this current administration without hesitation. And am quite sure there are millions out there with my same sentiment.

 

[chefdennis]

Brisco wrote:

that could easily easily lead an uprising against the Socialist Idealogs that we currently have in the WH.

Sure would make for a nice "target rich enviroment" wouldn't it...

 

[greg334]

I think the only time people will get up in this country and organize is when we have to stand up and defend liberty. The people in America don't see government as the ultimate creator or ultimate power. Our military takes an oath to defend and protect the constitution. They don't take an oath to defend or protect a particular person or power....

Well the thing is they may defend liberty, MOST people don't understand what it is, many don't have anything to compare it to which leaves them not understanding it.

If the people here understood that the government is not the creator or the power, then we wouldn't have the mess we have today. It is simple, they just don't get the concepts we were founded on or get what it takes to make it move forward. A lot of them look for answers in Europe and Asia as what we should be and fixated on the European idea of freedoms - which are granted.

Yep the Oath is to protect the constitution, but the constitution is the country.

These socialist and anarchists are an extreme minority in this country. Piven said in that video she is scared of the tea party. She's only scared because the Tea Party supports small limited government.

Well socialist are not a minority, they are in both parties, they are all over the place, but anarchist are a true minority.

Piven's real problem is she is basing her idea of freedoms on the European mindset, not on reality. She like others don't have comprehension of how things work here.

What do you think will happen if these socialists call for the military to start shooting on Americans? I am pretty convinced it'll be the end of days for those socialists........

Actually I think some will. BUT it won't end anything for the socialist, read about the movement from 1908 to 1928 in the US.

In middle eastern countries there is a disconnect between the military's and the citizens...In America. The Citizens are the military...

Well there isn't as much of a disconnect as one would think. it depends on which country you are talking about, Egypt - no, Libya - somewhat, Yemen - yes for the most part.

AND as for the US, there is a military institution that has been round for a long time, this is a complete disconnect from the country and is a problem.

If this scenario were to happen under the watch and order of our current administration, simply put, it would be the end of the Democratic Party as a whole.

AND hopefully the republican party too. There isn't much difference between these two parties ... the name ... really.

The problem is there is no real difference between this administration, the last one or the last 12.

We have too many Veterans and retired experienced Military Leaders, as well as current Military Leaders in our Armed Services today, that fully believe in the Constitution, believe what our Founding Fathers had in mind for the future of America, and who believe in Americas Core Values, that could easily easily lead an uprising against the Socialist Idealogs that we currently have in the WH.

AND it is a dangerous thing to depend on people who have diverse ideas and ideologies on how we are supposed to run a country. Just watch Dr. Strangelove (for the madness), Seven Days in May or Paths of Glory to get what could happen, seriously.

I for one will join any Coup d'état that may come about in our future against this current administration without hesitation. And am quite sure there are millions out there with my same sentiment.

Yep and many more will fight against you. The problem is that we pretty much end up with something that is worse than we have.

 

[dieseldiva]

The problem is there is no real difference between this administration, the last one or the last 12.

Name JUST ONE administration in the past twelve that has had equal or more socialists/commies/marxists in their membership than the current one.

If you honestly think your statement is true then you're the one that needs to do more studying.

 

[layoutshooter]

We have had leftists in power for YEARS, DECADES. This administration is by far one of the worst in that regard. Clinton was close. He was not ONLY a scum bag in his personal life but his disregard of the Constitution was almost as bad as Osama Obama's is.

This government is getting out of control and it is up to us to reign them in and SOON!!

 

[skyraider]

Im still waiting on Barry's birthcertificate, guess by now that is a moot point, but why it stays top secret u got me. Ive got a copy of mine if u all want to see it, its older then dirt,lol

 

[layoutshooter]

Im still waiting on Barry's birthcertificate, guess by now that is a moot point, but why it stays top secret u got me. Ive got a copy of mine if u all want to see it, its older then dirt,lol

My birth certificate is almost as old as I am!! That is REALLY old!

 

[Brisco]

Yep and many more will fight against you.....

????

It is well known here, and IRL, that my views/opinions/idealog are very very far on/to the right.

Do you really have a belief that if we had another "civil war" here within our borders when it came to ones strong political beliefs, IE- Conversative Republicans trying to keep Americas core values intact VS Liberal Democrats trying to enforce socialism/marxism upon America that "many more" will fight against the side I would be on?????

Unrealistic belief there greg, believe me. We thought the French were a joke when it came to fighting in a war, just wait til we do have a Republican-VS-Democrat war. It will probably go down in our History Books as a very very one-sided bloodbath that ended Liberalism once and for all in this great Country.

 

[layoutshooter]

The ReBumLiCans? Conservative? Not in my lifetime so far. Don't see that happening any where in the near future either. They are just SLIGHTLY less socialist than the Dumb-O-Crats and many are just as anti-Constitution.

 

[jpalmer]

You have to understand that the majority of the Democrat voting base isn't as left as the administration. I really doubt the majority of working moms who call themselves democrats are self proclaimed communists who will take arms to defend communism.

See, this is why I think this whole One world Government idea will fail. Soros talks about democracy and voting. Really? 9 billion people voting for one person? I really doubt it. Soros, Piven, Ayers and people like them only want power. Unfortunately for these folks as time goes on and people know who and want they stand for. More people back away from it.

Look at whats happening in Egypt right now. The Muslim Brotherhood promised a secular liberal state. Now they are talking about Morality Police to lock people up for breaking Muslim laws.

Thanks to Obama, Eventually Egypt will turn into an Iranian like state. A state that wants to see the destruction of Israel. Israel won't back away and they have Nuclear weapons

Acorn was a key figure in the uprising in Egypt and other countries. Bill Ayers and Samantha Powers is in the middle east asking the people if they'd like to vote in an American election....

The only reason they are doing that is because they support this one world government idea that Soros wants through his Open Society institute. Which will fail. He's siding with the Muslim Brotherhood thinking they'll go along with it. Iran wants the destruction of America and to rule the west. He's not interested in Soros's one world government. What ****es me off. the President of Yemen is blaming America for the uprisings in the middle east. Its not America its all these Marxist elitists like Soros......

 

[greg334]

Name JUST ONE administration in the past twelve that has had equal or more socialists/commies/marxists in their membership than the current one.

Well that's easy, Franklin Roosevelt had people in VERY important positions (including his cabinet) who not only supported the soviets but met with Stalin and patterned some of the "reforms" after the soviet programs. There Agricultural Adjustment Act came directly from the soviet's agricultural export program. You should read about ager hiss and the reds in government.

If you honestly think your statement is true then you're the one that needs to do more studying.

I think you need to put this in relation to what these people are, most never ever practiced Marxism or Communism but have a liking for it, unlike the people FDR worked with who actually were practicing one point or another.

Do you really have a belief that if we had another "civil war" here within our borders when it came to ones strong political beliefs, IE- Conversative Republicans trying to keep Americas core values intact VS Liberal Democrats trying to enforce socialism/marxism upon America that "many more" will fight against the side I would be on?????

Yep I stand by it because the simple fact that it won't be a political idelogy war on the surface, like the Libyan war doesn't appear to be for OIL. The factor you miss is the problem with the entitlement class that was created. See the liberals and conservatives for that matter have created this class who are right now fighting for in Ohio, Indiana and Wisconsin over the thing they should be against, goverment workers. This is the class who will protect the country, they will be against you and I'm pretty sure that there are a lot more of them than any group of people who want to take their money away.

AND DO YOU honestly think that it is only the democratic party that wants to continue Marxist/Socialist style laws and regulations?

I feel it is the same whether or not they call themselves conservative or liberal, both ideologies seem to be diluted with the same crap and are about the same in reality - controlling the people - the budget issue is a perfect example where you can't tell the difference.

 

[jpalmer]

Even though I pretty much despise FDR. He was against collective bargaining in public unions. Because if you collectively bargain in a pubic union you are fighting against the people of the country.

You are basically disconnecting yourself with the health of the nation and take your health before the nation.....

 

[xiggi]

Im still waiting on Barry's birthcertificate, guess by now that is a moot point, but why it stays top secret u got me. Ive got a copy of mine if u all want to see it, its older then dirt,lol

It is staying secret because the more people on the right ask for it the crazier they sound. He has no real benefit by revealing it, politically it only helps him to have birthers scream about it.

 

[dieseldiva]

Well that's easy, Franklin Roosevelt had people in VERY important positions (including his cabinet) who not only supported the soviets but met with Stalin and patterned some of the "reforms" after the soviet programs. There Agricultural Adjustment Act came directly from the soviet's agricultural export program. You should read about ager hiss and the reds in government.

Ok, ya got me!

I have a book on my kindle about Alger Hiss and Whittaker Chambers..."Witness" but I haven't read it yet.

 

[Brisco]

greg:

The factor you miss is the problem with the entitlement class that was created. See the liberals and conservatives for that matter have created this class who are right now fighting for in Ohio, Indiana and Wisconsin over the thing they should be against, goverment workers. This is the class who will protect the country, they will be against you and I'm pretty sure that there are a lot more of them than any group of people who want to take their money away.

"Union Workers" and "Entitlement Seekers" are basically in the same class in the majority of Americans minds. The states you listed above are heavily unionized, just as the state you are from is, Michigan. The factor you are missing is that America as a whole wants unions gone. A factor you cannot understand because your whole life/working career has probably had some sort of union involvement in it at one time or another.

Michigan - unionized for decades, is one of the worst states in America today when it comes to their economic status. New Jersy - the same, and Thank Gawd they have Christie trying to clean it up before it turns into a 3rd world state as Michigan has. Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin - all states that sees the writing on the wall when it comes to their future. These states are taking the same steps as Christie has been doing.

Unions are Entitlement demanders, and they don't give a shoot at what happens to a company, or a state, as long as their members are pampered. Yes, they are all Liberals in their mindset and are very vocal with their demands. Sure, it may look like there's many more of "them" out there taking up for there cause today because that's the Liberal Media portraying it day in and day out on our airwaves.

Now let's say Obawa decides to declare full socialism on this country at the cry of the "Liberals" demands. (Unions-Entitlers) There will be many many millions more of us from many many states that have NOT been influenced by unions and entitlement seekers who will stand up for the fight. Hell, I can almost bet a well armed Conservative Force from the state of Texas could probably take out the whole upper NE states of the country, which is full of Gun Hating Liberals, within a few days. The other "non-union" influenced states such as Montona, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Utah, Alabama, Mississippi, and so on that have strong American Core Value believing citizens could probably take out the straggler "Liberal States" out there (California) within a few days also.

Keep your beliefs greg, that's what we're allowed to do here in this great Country, but you are dead wrong if you think that Liberals would have an upper-hand in a "Republican/Conservatism VS Democrat/Liberalism" civil war. Trust me on that, OK.

 

[greg334]

Brisco,
I don't know what you are getting at but if you are to revolt, there is a serious problem with the people who depend on that government check each month - I heard that is 51% of the population.

"Union Workers" and "Entitlement Seekers" are really not the same, this may be in some parts of the country but places with large populations, they there is a difference to most. The 'entitlement seeker' is also different, those are ones who feel the government is there to take care of them when they need it but haven't yet used any service. I lump a majority of people who expect to get social security in with this group.

SO if you think about it, to get a movement that would actually make progress is to have reasoning behind any revolt where they would have to either be aligned with a majority of the people or with those who control them - which the way you presented it, would not be your type of people.

The bigger issue is this idea that a revolt or bloodletting would oust liberals or destroy the democratic party, it won't. You have too many right leaning democrats in many states (Kentucky is one) who are life long dems who will fight to keep the party. These too would be people you would think that would fight for a change but wouldn't.

 

[witness23]

You know what's funny? Brisco talking about Civil War between "Conservatives" and "Liberals" and greg actually responding, telling him why the "Conservatives" wouldn't have the upper hand over "Liberals" in a Civil War here in America.

Some of you need to take a break from the road, turn off the t.v., turn off the talk radio, shut down the computer and come back to reality.

Read a good book(apolitical of course), spend some quality time with your family, maybe take up model airplane building, or go fishing, something. I really do fear for some people's mental health here in the Soapbox.