Fox no longer a news organization

[muttly]

So you're linking The Blaze as a source, and Kirsten is a conservative now. What's the world coming to? Lol.
Actually she might have evolved/changed a couple of her positions on things, but still has some liberal views. Regardless, she doesn't appear to be someone with an agenda.
Kirsten Powers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Turtle]

Getting emotional now aren't you?Have a disagreement and all the labels come out to shut down debate.

Emotional? No. There is no conveyance or words of emotion in that post, and no labels to shut down debate. Do you just pull random attack clichés out of a hat and toss them out there when you can't think of anything else to say?

The fact I'm not buying the explanation doesn't make me an extremist.

The reasons stated for flatly rejecting any alternative explanation to your own does however, make you an extremist. So does pre-rejecting any explanation or apology from the White House as being BS make you an extremist.

Just healthy skepticism about an administration that is on record having their share of battles with Fox News.

Wow, you really don't even understand what you write. Skepticism is having doubts, not easily convinced, demanding proof of something. You're the exact opposite of a skeptic.

( see link below)Certainly if Shepherd Smiths's comments are bogus, this would be the perfect opportunity to catch them lying about the White house.

Who said Shepard Smith's comments about the White House were bogus? No one ever said he lied about the White House. You really and truly don't understand what you read, do you? What Shepard Smith lied about is the place card in front of Scott Pelley. I even bolded that so you wouldn't miss it, and you still missed it.

They could just go to any of the other news organizations that were at the luncheon for corroboration. They would just jump at the chance to help if they could.

Nobody needs to go to any other news organization other then turning on the CBS Evening News for corroboration.

But here is an article that describes the contempt that this administration has for Fox News. It might enlighten you that this administration can act vindictively towards News Organizations who don't tow the company line.
BTW, Fox News Contributor Ms.Powers is a liberal.
Obama vs. Fox News -- behind the White House strategy to delegitimize a news organization | Fox News

The contempt that Obama and his administration has for Fox News isn't exactly news, nor is their vindictiveness (including ruining lives, and up to quite possibly even murder) of those that won't play ball with the administration. But none of that means they intentionally left off "News" from the place cards. It might mean they had a motive to slight Fox News, but then again so did half the people in that room. But let's say Obama and everyone in his entire administration hates Fox News with a passion. That's still not evidence that the place cards were intentionally printed to omit "News" from Fox News. A skeptic would at least allow the possibility that it was an accident, but you won't allow the possibility.

As for Kirsten Powers, no, she's not a liberal. She used to be. She also used to be an atheist. But that changed when she started dating a religious man and not too longer after that she got a Fox News' Highly Reluctant Jesus Follower | Christianity Today personal visit from Jesus that changed not only her religious views, but her religious views have had a big impact on her changing political views.

As for the liberal contributors to Fox News, they're mostly all the same in what the are and why they're there. It's so frequent and predictable that it's now and actual thing. It's called a Fox News Liberal. Otherwise known as a DINO (Democrat In Name Only). Alan Colmes on Hannity and Colmes is generally credited with being the original prototype of a Fox News Liberal. The Fox News Liberal is an ideological Strawman character who is brought in to provide the illusion of political balance in a narrative that is otherwise overwhelmingly slanted in the opposite direction. The presence of a Fox News Liberal essentially gives a 'face' to the ideological enemies of the show and lets the show make ad-hominem attacks on them and by extension everyone who holds their views. Therefore, a Fox News Liberal is often ugly, rude, have poor public-speaking skills, and are easily (and often) interrupted by the hose or overwhelmed by the rest of the panel. The show itself sets the agenda for what is discussed, as well as the talking points, and a Fox News Liberal will almost never be presented with a topic which "their kind" think is actually important, and the topic is often deliberately chosen to invoke all the poor argument techniques listed above.

So a Fox News Liberal isn't your everyday liberal. No, no, no. They're special. They've either been hand picked for the discussion, or they have been crafted and molded for the purpose, or they're simply playing a role. And it's hilarious.

 

[Turtle]

Turtle wrote--'Act like a news organization and people will think you are, and refer to you as, a news organization.'
ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSNBC all have liberal biases. They also have made their share of mistakes in presenting facts, yet they are held to a different standard from the administration and considered news organizations .
There are plenty of examples on the MRC website that illuminate their mistakes and biases.

I don't know why I bother, but I'm gonna do it again...

All journalism has a liberal bias. But having a liberal bias is not the same thing as disseminating liberal propaganda or in furthering a liberal agenda. Sure, you can cherry pick examples that show the exceptions to that, but they are not the norm of liberal journalism. Liberal journalism (which is in and of itself is almost a redundant phrase) still abides by the ethics of the Canons of Journalism. They don't present the news "from the viewpoint of a liberal," or give "the liberal's take on the news." because those perspectives intentionally mislead or intentionally confuse people.

The liberal bias of the mainstream media and the conservative bias of Fox News are not even remotely the same types of bias. Again, journalism is inherently liberal, but it is liberal within the standards of professional journalism. Fox News emphasizes one particular point of view (conservative) in a way that contravenes the standards of professional journalism. And they don't care that they're doing it, because they're doing it on purpose, Intentionally and systematically.

When most people refer to the "liberal media" what they are really saying is the "not-conservative media." They're trying to imply (and many even believe) the MSM has a liberal bias equal to and opposite of the conservative bias of Fox News. There are stories reported in the MSM media that are 100 percent accurate and have no bias in any way, shape or form, and because it didn't get reported in the same manner as Fox News, it was called liberal biased. The Media Research Center, a conservative propaganda organization, has as their sole mission to neutralize left-wing bias in the news media, except what they call left-wind bias is more often than not nothing more than the unbiased "not-conservative" angle on the news and isn't left-wing at all. But in their mind, and in the minds of many conservatives, if you're not conservative, you're liberal, no such thing as unbiased.

MSNBC does not belong in the same collection of media as ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN. They belong in the same slanted propaganda machine category as Fox News, as they are the exact polar opposites of each other in their bias.

 

[muttly]

It's an emotional response when you start throwing out rabid ideological extremism comments to someone who clearly isnt.
The administration would have a motive to do it because they have shown a pattern of doing things like that previously. Shepherd Smith misspoke about Scott Pelley working for ABC instead of CBS.

I already posted a Wikipedia on Powers in my previous post and yes she has some liberal views and conservative views. Again she doesn't appear to be agenda driven or a rabid ideological extremist. She has been complimentary to Obama on some issues and has been critical sometimes as well.
She'll present the liberal point of view on Fox News for such topics as Obamacare, gun control, and any other position she is liberal on. She isn't rude or crude.
Juan Williams is not a DINO. And he is on Fox shows more than anyone else.
MSNBC,CNN and others do the same thing you accuse Fox News of doing. Putting RINOS on their shows to provide the illusion of balance. But they are considered News Organizations and Fox isn't.
What a joke.

 

[muttly]

I don't know why I bother, but I'm gonna do it again...

All journalism has a liberal bias. But having a liberal bias is not the same thing as disseminating liberal propaganda or in furthering a liberal agenda. Sure, you can cherry pick examples that show the exceptions to that, but they are not the norm of liberal journalism. Liberal journalism (which is in and of itself is almost a redundant phrase) still abides by the ethics of the Canons of Journalism. They don't present the news "from the viewpoint of a liberal," or give "the liberal's take on the news." because those perspectives intentionally mislead or intentionally confuse people.

The liberal bias of the mainstream media and the conservative bias of Fox News are not even remotely the same types of bias. Again, journalism is inherently liberal, but it is liberal within the standards of professional journalism. Fox News emphasizes one particular point of view (conservative) in a way that contravenes the standards of professional journalism. And they don't care that they're doing it, because they're doing it on purpose, Intentionally and systematically.

When most people refer to the "liberal media" what they are really saying is the "not-conservative media." They're trying to imply (and many even believe) the MSM has a liberal bias equal to and opposite of the conservative bias of Fox News. There are stories reported in the MSM media that are 100 percent accurate and have no bias in any way, shape or form, and because it didn't get reported in the same manner as Fox News, it was called liberal biased. The Media Research Center, a conservative propaganda organization, has as their sole mission to neutralize left-wing bias in the news media, except what they call left-wind bias is more often than not nothing more than the unbiased "not-conservative" angle on the news and isn't left-wing at all. But in their mind, and in the minds of many conservatives, if you're not conservative, you're liberal, no such thing as unbiased.

MSNBC does not belong in the same collection of media as ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN. They belong in the same slanted propaganda machine category as Fox News, as they are the exact polar opposites of each other in their bias.

ABC,CBS CNN, and NBC present news mostly from the liberal point of view and often times either omit the conservative view point, slant them with their bias, or give them scant coverage. There are countless examples of this happening with them.
Here is one example:
Ex-CBS reporter?s book reveals how liberal media protects Obama | New York Post

 

[Turtle]

Sure it's an emotional response when you start throwing out rabid ideological extremism to someone who Isn't . But that's what you do.You make it personal.

When you reach a knee-jerk conclusion without any evidence then and state no matter what they say later on it'll be BS, that's rabid ideological extremism. It's not emotional to say that. The only way in which it's personal is because you're the one who said it.

The administration would have a motive to do it because they have shown a pattern of doing things like that previously.

Just because they have a motive to do it is not proof that they did.

Shepherd Smith misspoke about Scott Pelley working for ABC instead of CBS. Why this is even being discussed is ridiculous.

Yes, it is ridiculous, because it shows hypocrisy on your part. You believe Shepard Smith innocently and accidentally misspoke, but won't even allow for the possibility that whoever made out the place cards could have made an error.

I already posted a Wikipedia on Powers in my previous post and yes she has some liberal views and conservative views. Again she doesn't appear to be agenda driven or a rabid ideological extremist. She has been complimentary to Obama on some issues and has been critical sometimes as well.

Then why did you call her a liberal?

She'll present the liberal point of view on Fox News for such topics as Obamacare, gun control, and any other position she is liberal on. She isn't rude or crude.

Yes, exactly, she's there to present the liberal position on something so that Fox can pretend they're "fair and balanced" on something, because she's there specifically so that the others on the show can demonstrate why her position is wrong, and by association all liberals. When she's the liberal on a show, and the show itself has a conservative slant (and they all do), then she's there in reality to promote the conservative slant. That's how Fox News sets up their shows and the talking points.

Juan Williams is not a DINO. And he is on Fox shows more than anyone else.

Of course he is. He's one of the people on Fox News that helped cement the Fox News Liberal trope, because he fits the mold perfectly. He's a black, moderate, journalist who was fired from NPR for saying he didn't like Muslims and that whenever he saw Muslims in Muslim garb he was afraid of them, and then capped that statement by saying that's not a bigoted statement. Those credentials are extremely valuable for Fox News, and for the right wing at large. Because they can be easily presented in a way that bolsters the myth of the "liberal media," a myth which the right wing has used to shockingly successful effect over the last two decades, to systematically erode the influence of media outlets that they don't like. He's their quintessential Fox News Liberal, who they trot out there to perpetuate the illusion of Fair and Balanced, and viewers lap it up.

MSNBC,CNN and others do the same thing you accuse Fox News of doing. Putting RINOS on their shows to provide the illusion of balance. But they are considered News Organizations and Fox isn't.

MCNBC does, yes. Like I just got through saying, MCNBC is the exact polar opposite on the propaganda spectrum as Fox News. But CNN does not. There is no such thing as a "CNN Republican." It's not a thing. A Fox News Liberal is an actual thing.

What a joke.

And it's on everyone who actually believes they aren't consuming the political ideological bias they're seeking. It's on those who believe Fox News is actually fair and balanced, despite them being neither.

Fox News Channel is actually an oxymoron, because it's not news. It's propaganda, sure, but it's more like propaganda dressed up and delivered through the entertainment guise of bad professional wrestling. Everything is set up with the cut and dry black and white framing, with good guys and bad guys being telegraphed as to who you are to cheer for or boo mercilessly against depending on what faction they belong to. They've got moves in the ring that are so telegraphed and choreographed, like climbing onto the ropes in the corner and preparing to jump and fly across the ring, landing on the hapless liberal who is laying there on his belly facing the other way pretending to un-ring his bell and get his vision and hearing back, and the anticipation just keeps mounting. There's the random taunting and trash talking of enemies. Random repeating of catchphrases and 'hit words of the day'. And then there's the ubiquitous “bikini babes” and professional fembots. It’s like WWF on USA Up-All-Night all over again.

Oh, wow! I didn't see that coming!

 

[RLENT]

Barf,

Youz a real hoot ... keep it comin' ...

 

[muttly]

So you're linking The Blaze as a source, and Kirsten is a conservative now. What's the world coming to? Lol.
Actually she might have evolved/changed a couple of her positions on things, but still has some liberal views. Regardless, she doesn't appear to be someone with an agenda.
Kirsten Powers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Turtle wrote--Then why did you call her a liberal?

As I stated, actually she might have evolved/changed a couple of her positions on things, but still has some liberal views.

 

[RLENT]

As I stated, actually she might have evolved/changed a couple of her positions on things, but still has some liberal views.

Ahhh ... that was after you made a blanket statement that she was "a liberal" ... and weren't able to get away with it, due to being called on it ... right ?

And ... "might have" ?

Is there some doubt in your mind ?

 

[RLENT]

So you're linking The Blaze as a source,

Seemed appropriate ... given your fanatical rejection/dismissal of any/most sources which don't share your extreme ideology ...

and Kirsten is a conservative now.

Errr ... I didn't make any such assertion ...

Ms Powers is on record about her political leanings. I actually saw her speak about it on Fox.

What's the world coming to? Lol.

Well ... in your case, your "world" is coming to a very difficult dilemma ... since it's running into actual facts which conflict with it ...

Oh my ... what's a Barf to do ?

Regardless, she doesn't appear to be someone with an agenda.

Almost - if not - everyone has an agenda ... of some sort ...

To think otherwise is to be totally deluded about the inherent political nature of humanity.

 

[muttly]

Ahhh ... that was after you made a blanket statement that she was "a liberal" ... and weren't able to get away with it, due to being called on it ... right ?

And ... "might have" ?

Is there some doubt in your mind ?

No, when I see her on Fox News, most of the time she is giving the liberal point of view. Very rarely do I see her take a conservative position when she is on.
Considering Alexis Sobel Fitts who has edited for the COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW referred to her as a liberal, I'm not the only one. She must have made a blanket statement too, right?
Since your article and source is about two years old (Feb 13 2013) it's possible she might have changed her positions again. Do you know for a fact based on your two year old article that she hasn't changed her views since?

 

[muttly]

Seemed appropriate ... given your fanatical rejection/dismissal of any/most sources which don't share your extreme ideology ...


Errr ... I didn't make any such assertion ...
y.

I know it wasn't your assertion, it was my statement. A display of levity.
But apparently you are just about name calling and telling falsehoods about people. I don't have an extreme ideology. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[RLENT]

No, when I see her on Fox News, most of the time she is giving the liberal point of view. Very rarely do I see her take a conservative position when she is on.

Well ... that might be a testament to your powers of observation ... or lack thereof ...

Considering Alexis Sobel Fitts who has edited for the COLUMBIA JOURNALISM REVIEW referred to her as a liberal, I'm not the only one. She must have made a blanket statement too, right?

Given what the actual meaning of "blanket statement" is, it certainly appears so ...

Since your article and source is about two years old (Feb 13 2013) it's possible she might have changed her positions again.

It's also possible that the Moon's core is made of green cheese ... but we just haven't discovered it yet ...

Do you know for a fact based on your two year old article that she hasn't changed her views since?

I'm operating off a documented historical record ... you know: facts ...

You're operating off of "maybe's" and "mighta's" ...

Do you have any evidence that the possibility that you hold out is - in fact - the case ?

 

[RLENT]

I know it wasn't your assertion, it was my statement.

It was your attempt - yet again - to characterize one of my previous statements with a logical fallacy - ie. a strawman specifically.

A display of levity.

Sorry ... but that wasn't all that it was.

But apparently you are just about name calling and telling falsehoods about people.

Nah ...

I certainly do do a little tweaking of political fanatics ... but I try to be accurate in my statements.

I don't have an extreme ideology.

ROTFLMAO ...

Sure ya do ... that you would deny it is really no great surprise ...

All one has to do is look at the historical record of your statements, and the context they occurred in.

You operate more on faith - even if it is of (secular ?) political nature - than on fact ...

Screw the facts ... after all: you've got belief ... so why would you need facts ?

You don't know what you're talking about.

Actually, I do ... but I do understand that you really, really want it to be otherwise ...

 

[Turtle]

No, when I see her on Fox News, most of the time she is giving the liberal point of view. Very rarely do I see her take a conservative position when she is on.

That's actually the definition of, and her role as, a Fox News Liberal.

 

[muttly]

MSNBC does not belong in the same collection of media as ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN. They belong in the same slanted propaganda machine category as Fox News, as they are the exact polar opposites of each other in their bias.

Looks like they have someone who will maintain his impartiality at CNN.(dripping sarcasm)

CNN Promotes David Chalian - Who Was Fired by Yahoo For Racist Comments - Breitbart

 

[LDB]

On my way to lunch today I scanned away from the old time radio and commercial free music stations. According to Sirius/XM Fox is a news network identified by them as Fox News in bold print on the radio station identification line.

 

[muttly]

On my way to lunch today I scanned away from the old time radio and commercial free music stations. According to Sirius/XM Fox is a news network identified by them as Fox News in bold print on the radio station identification line.

Sirius /XM knows they are, but the Obama administration,and the rabid ideologue extremists on the left don't.

 

[muttly]

Keep it fair at CBS,John. I know you won't.
CBS Political Director John Dickerson Calls on Obama to 'Declare War on the Republican Party'

 

[cheri1122]

Sirius /XM knows they are, but the Obama administration,and the rabid ideologue extremists on the left don't.

At least we never have to wonder where you come up with your remarks, lol.