Fox News is either Evil or Stupid.....

Turtle

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..... who (frickin') cares ?
Many times there are folks who are more concerned with who posted something, rather than what was posted. Oftentimes this is the result of not being familiar with the substance of the post, not being able to understand it, or not being able to intelligently discuss it.

This lack of knowledge, a diminished capacity of the mind to perceive and understand some issues, or lack of intelligence generally, will often result in frustrations and even anger. Since those frustrations and anger cannot be directed towards the substance of a post they do not or cannot understand, they turn those frustrations and anger to the poster. They try to take the poster down a notch, and thus what he posted along with him, in order to make themselves feel less ignorant, less unintelligent, and generally overall better about themselves. It's very satisfying to "one-up" someone more knowledgeable or intelligent than you are, even if it is a hollow, meaningless fallacy that in reality only confirms the blissfulness of ignorance.

This is hardly a phenomenon unique to EO or even the Internet. It happens in all walks of life in nearly all situations. People should actively guard against falling into this type of trap, as it is an easy one to fall into. And a hard one to climb out of once trapped. Those who are trapped will deny it, sometimes vociferously, but will then usually immediately proceed to demonstrate to all that they are, in fact, trapped within the despair of ignorance and obtuseness. When they don't like or can't understand the message, they'll go after the messenger. It rarely works.

Sometimes none of the above is correct and they've just got a woody for someone. For example, like someone who brings up the name of another person from outside the current thread and injects into the thread, solely to take pot shot snipes at them. They resort to this type of cowardly behavior because they know that their emotionally based arguments cannot stand up to critical thinking and reasoning. When confronted directly on the issues and their stance, they will always respond by directly avoiding the issues and will instead deflect their responses to another issue altogether, rarely one that bolsters their position, but usually one that attacks the other person, either directly or indirectly. They have successfully avoided dealing with the actual issues, therefor they win, except that their woody ends up being a flaccid fallacy.
 

Doggie Daddy

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Many times there are folks who are more concerned with who posted something, rather than what was posted. Oftentimes this is the result of not being familiar with the substance of the post, not being able to understand it, or not being able to intelligently discuss it.

This lack of knowledge, a diminished capacity of the mind to perceive and understand some issues, or lack of intelligence generally, will often result in frustrations and even anger. Since those frustrations and anger cannot be directed towards the substance of a post they do not or cannot understand, they turn those frustrations and anger to the poster. They try to take the poster down a notch, and thus what he posted along with him, in order to make themselves feel less ignorant, less unintelligent, and generally overall better about themselves. It's very satisfying to "one-up" someone more knowledgeable or intelligent than you are, even if it is a hollow, meaningless fallacy that in reality only confirms the blissfulness of ignorance.

This is hardly a phenomenon unique to EO or even the Internet. It happens in all walks of life in nearly all situations. People should actively guard against falling into this type of trap, as it is an easy one to fall into. And a hard one to climb out of once trapped. Those who are trapped will deny it, sometimes vociferously, but will then usually immediately proceed to demonstrate to all that they are, in fact, trapped within the despair of ignorance and obtuseness. When they don't like or can't understand the message, they'll go after the messenger. It rarely works.

Sometimes none of the above is correct and they've just got a woody for someone. For example, like someone who brings up the name of another person from outside the current thread and injects into the thread, solely to take pot shot snipes at them. They resort to this type of cowardly behavior because they know that their emotionally based arguments cannot stand up to critical thinking and reasoning. When confronted directly on the issues and their stance, they will always respond by directly avoiding the issues and will instead deflect their responses to another issue altogether, rarely one that bolsters their position, but usually one that attacks the other person, either directly or indirectly. They have successfully avoided dealing with the actual issues, therefor they win, except that their woody ends up being a flaccid fallacy.

And then there are the type of people that think that by posting a 10,000 word diatribe, that somehow they will convince the opposing side to see the error of their ways and move away from the dark side.

What these people fail to realize, is that the sheer volume of words many times deter anyone and everyone from wanting to expend the energy to try and sort through the gibberish just to try and figure out what it is they are trying to say.

Given the alternative,a sharp stick to the eye would be more preferable.
 

cheri1122

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Sometimes none of the above is correct and they've just got a woody for someone. For example, like someone who brings up the name of another person from outside the current thread and injects into the thread, solely to take pot shot snipes at them. They resort to this type of cowardly behavior because they know that their emotionally based arguments cannot stand up to critical thinking and reasoning. When confronted directly on the issues and their stance, they will always respond by directly avoiding the issues and will instead deflect their responses to another issue altogether, rarely one that bolsters their position, but usually one that attacks the other person, either directly or indirectly. They have successfully avoided dealing with the actual issues, therefor they win, except that their woody ends up being a flaccid fallacy.

Post #20 is a dead on illustration of the truth of this.

BTW: what makes me a liberal? Is it my position on the right to bear arms [for]? Illegal immigration [against]?
Please explain, I'd like to hear it.
 

Turtle

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And then there are the type of people that think that by posting a 10,000 word diatribe, that somehow they will convince the opposing side to see the error of their ways and move away from the dark side.

What these people fail to realize, is that the sheer volume of words many times deter anyone and everyone from wanting to expend the energy to try and sort through the gibberish just to try and figure out what it is they are trying to say.
Excellent example. Outstanding! Many people read something, cannot understand or comprehend it, and simply label it as gibberish.

Given the alternative,a sharp stick to the eye would be more preferable.
Again, another fine example of where a lack of knowledge, a diminished capacity of the mind to perceive and understand some issues, or lack of intelligence generally, will often result in frustrations and even anger. Since those frustrations and anger cannot be directed towards the substance of a post they do not or cannot understand, they turn those frustrations and anger to the poster.

Man, you are on fire with these examples! Awesome!
 

Doggie Daddy

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I am not angry or frustrated at all, maybe you should ask for your money back from that online psychoanalyst course that you took.
 

Turtle

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I am not angry or frustrated at all, maybe you should ask for your money back from that online psychoanalyst course that you took.
I don't recall ever saying that you were angry or frustrated. But it's nice to know that you're not, I guess. <shrug>
 

skyraider

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US Navy
Does it really matter?

Here we have an entertainer who acts as a journalist criticizing a network who has ratings he can only dream of. His greatest achievement in life seems to be his show is on a network that is afraid of a small group of Muslims who were p*ssed off at a cartoon show - how pathetic.

The problem is that many of these people are just followers of others, nothing original at all. SNL, The daily show, Al Franken, and so on have lost their way, and have no polish at all. The mind numbed people who claim that others are mind numbed seem to believe what they are hearing from these poorly written segments are real facts, when in fact it is fiction that is made up to entertain the mind numbed people watching them. The really really sad part is we have politicians who feel they need to be part of the cesspool of entertainment and in some cases beg to be on these shows as part of their media outlet.

God am I bored.

Now what was the middle thing? lol:D
 

skyraider

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Lest we forget Paris HIlton and twit Lohan, and twit Spears, now shall we pray?:D
 
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witness23

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Least we forget Paris HIlton and twit Lohan, and twit Spears, now shall we pray?:D

I think you meant to say "Lest we forget". From the Recessional poem by Kipling, meaning, when one rises in power or fame(in the case you were speaking of) they tend to forget about God and the blessings he bestows upon us. Sorry, my academic elitism is coming out.
 

RLENT

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RLENT,that was an amazing story,
..... not particularly ......

very interesting
To some, perhaps ..... (ya really woulda had to have been there :rolleyes:)

and a great analogy.
Not really ...... but then it really wasn't meant to be an analogy ...

I'll bet you could get a job writing speeches for Obummer.
I think your assessment of either my abilities in the area, or the job qualifications, are overly optimistic.

Of course, it goes without saying, that the idea of me getting a job writing speeches for someone who I don't support politically, didn't vote for, and largely disagree with philosophically, is in itself a bit silly ..... but then, this is the Soapbox ..... where all manner of silliness is commonplace .....

Also I think it's great that you feel the need to interject yourself into every discussion that me and sudsy have.
Well, as was pointed out previously, I don't think it was actually a discussion ....

At any rate, if you would prefer to have a private dialog with this individual who you keep referring to as "sudsy" (whoever that is), where others cannot participate, you might wish to avail yourself of the Private Messaging System here on EO ..... as I understand it, under the TOS, these discussions are to be kept private, and so anything discussed would be outside of the awareness of anyone besides the two of you.
 

Tennesseahawk

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Many times there are folks who are more concerned with who posted something, rather than what was posted. Oftentimes this is the result of not being familiar with the substance of the post, not being able to understand it, or not being able to intelligently discuss it.

This lack of knowledge, a diminished capacity of the mind to perceive and understand some issues, or lack of intelligence generally, will often result in frustrations and even anger. Since those frustrations and anger cannot be directed towards the substance of a post they do not or cannot understand, they turn those frustrations and anger to the poster. They try to take the poster down a notch, and thus what he posted along with him, in order to make themselves feel less ignorant, less unintelligent, and generally overall better about themselves. It's very satisfying to "one-up" someone more knowledgeable or intelligent than you are, even if it is a hollow, meaningless fallacy that in reality only confirms the blissfulness of ignorance.

This is hardly a phenomenon unique to EO or even the Internet. It happens in all walks of life in nearly all situations. People should actively guard against falling into this type of trap, as it is an easy one to fall into. And a hard one to climb out of once trapped. Those who are trapped will deny it, sometimes vociferously, but will then usually immediately proceed to demonstrate to all that they are, in fact, trapped within the despair of ignorance and obtuseness. When they don't like or can't understand the message, they'll go after the messenger. It rarely works.

Sometimes none of the above is correct and they've just got a woody for someone. For example, like someone who brings up the name of another person from outside the current thread and injects into the thread, solely to take pot shot snipes at them. They resort to this type of cowardly behavior because they know that their emotionally based arguments cannot stand up to critical thinking and reasoning. When confronted directly on the issues and their stance, they will always respond by directly avoiding the issues and will instead deflect their responses to another issue altogether, rarely one that bolsters their position, but usually one that attacks the other person, either directly or indirectly. They have successfully avoided dealing with the actual issues, therefor they win, except that their woody ends up being a flaccid fallacy.

BINGO! That's why I pretty much stopped posting!
 

aristotle

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BINGO! That's why I pretty much stopped posting!

T-Hawk... you are so right. The abuse, vulgarity and just plain meanness put out by Turtle and RLENT is beyond the pale. I do not wish to be associated with this behavior. No one in a position to stop this activity will do anything about it. There are no good options left. In protest, I am withdrawing my participation here at EO.
 

layoutshooter

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T-Hawk... you are so right. The abuse, vulgarity and just plain meanness put out by Turtle and RLENT is beyond the pale. I do not wish to be associated with this behavior. No one in a position to stop this activity will do anything about it. There are no good options left. In protest, I am withdrawing my participation here at EO.


I really wish you would reconsider leaving EO. I agree that there is FAR too much personal slamming going on. I don't know the answer to it. Shut it down and people will scream about censorship. Don't shut it down and good people leave EO. It is always a tough call.
 

cheri1122

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No, the TCF groupies couldn't make the grade with Doug. They resigned themselves to TCF by default.

To complain of "abuse, vulgarity, and just plain meanness" after having contributed this [among others, especially post #20] example of style & substance is the zenith of hypocrisy.
And you just can't stand having it pointed out, so you take your ball & go home.
Bye.
 

cheri1122

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I really wish you would reconsider leaving EO. I agree that there is FAR too much personal slamming going on. I don't know the answer to it. Shut it down and people will scream about censorship. Don't shut it down and good people leave EO. It is always a tough call.

I'd say that the Soapbox provides far more evidence of intelligence, creativity, and original observations than any other forum, slamming notwithstanding. We are all [presumably] grownups, willing to challenge the words of others - but if we aren't willing to be challenged in turn, then we shouldn't participate. To decline to participate in the Soapbox is one thing, but to withdraw from the whole site is just childish, IMO.
My opinion is that lively argument will keep folks coming back to read ["He said WHAT?!"] while inane personal chat [as the 'location' thread usually fills up with] will drive them away.
EO is always informative, but it needs to be interesting & thought provoking, or it won't survive, much less grow.
That's my penny in the swamp - and as always, rebuttal is welcome.
 

Turtle

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I'd say that the Soapbox provides far more evidence of intelligence, creativity, and original observations than any other forum, slamming notwithstanding. We are all [presumably] grownups, willing to challenge the words of others - but if we aren't willing to be challenged in turn, then we shouldn't participate. To decline to participate in the Soapbox is one thing, but to withdraw from the whole site is just childish, IMO.

I actually put forth a sincere overt gesture to Aristotle in a PM, one that included an apology to him for anything I may have said or done that would cause him to take such a radical departure from his normal lucid, intelligent and engaging comments, to that of a series of unwarranted and blatant personal attacks towards me and other EO members that come off as being somewhat unstable. I have always respected his opinions even when I disagreed with them, and always looked forward to reading whatever he posted. It's a little disturbing to witness someone's mindset and thought processes change so dramatically and so quickly, so I wondered what, if anything, I may have done to set it off. I had it all typed in here as a reply, but decided to go to him directly about it in private. I figure he at least deserved that much. Alas, rather than deal with me directly, he chose to continue his attacks, even more blatantly, here in public. That's sad, I think.
 
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