Fox News Dirty tricks on Ron Paul

RLENT

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Even IF he got elected it would make NO difference what so ever.
Thanks for sharing the apathy and hopelessness !

I feel rather ..... inspired ..... :rolleyes:

The congress would bury his ideas.
Interestingly, this last election cycle saw the election of a good number of people - including his son - that are, at least to some degree, like-minded with Dr. Paul.

Not monolithically of course, but that's what politics, as a practical matter, is really about: building consensus towards common goals.
 
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layoutshooter

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"Thanks for sharing the apathy and hopelessness"

No, the term I use is DISGUST!!

And you can drop the roll eyes silliness. You opinion is no more valid than mine. You are entitled to yours, and I mine. Yours is not more right, or wrong, than mine. Yours is based on your life experience and values, and mine is based on mine. We are totally different that that will never change. Our lives are totally different, we have different back grounds and different experiences. There is almost no way that our opinions could ever be the same. Just not possible. But mine is mine and it is 100% right for me.
 

muttly

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Someone probably mixed up the footage accidently from last years event in editing. It's sloppy,but it happens sometimes. To conclude and make a Bob Nieman leap that there is some conspiracy by Fox to purposely make Ron Paul look bad for some nefarious reason shows a bias on the person who put together this clip.
 

greg334

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By the way they did something like this when they were talking about the Grammys - ignoring some winners while talking about some losers.
 

witness23

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Yeah, so what? Makes no difference in MY life. Don't watch FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS. Unless I am in the mood for silly comedy! :p

So what? Like it or not, a lot of people watch and listen to Fox and are influenced by what they put out. All you have to do is listen to those that defend them or listen to those on the network that brag about their ratings. My point is, it does effect you, look around the Soapbox and look at how many fans there are of FoxNews and will defend them at all costs. These same people vote, and they are influenced by what they see and hear from Fox.

There is NO difference between "Foolish Fox, the "Awful Broadcasting Company" the "Crummy Broadcasting System" and the "Nutty Broadcasting Company". All just very bad entertainment.

You really should look into writing comedy for Leno or something, the above is some great stuff. :rolleyes:
 

jaminjim

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witness23 said:
My point is, it does effect you, look around the Soapbox and look at how many fans there are of FoxNews and will defend them at all costs.
Who defends them at all costs? Yes there are some that defend this or that but defend at all cost?
 

RLENT

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Someone probably mixed up the footage accidently from last years event in editing. It's sloppy, but it happens sometimes.
Really ?

Got a lot of time in editing bays do ya ?

Having spent easily in excess of a thousand hours slicin' and dicin' and actually turning the knobs over the years, I find it highly unlikely that whoever put the piece together was unaware of what source footage they were using.

What is more likely, is that Fox did not cover the event themselves, nor did they have access to footage from a stringer - so someone made a conscious editorial decision to use footage they did have as B-roll material.

That in itself is generally no big deal - it's done all the time in news and video production. The problem is that the footage they selected was entirely unrepresentative of the actual event and what had actually happened.

That sin was further compounded by the talking head choosing to comment on something that never happened in a manner as though it did, to Dr. Paul's detriment.

To conclude and make a Bob Nieman leap that there is some conspiracy by Fox to purposely make Ron Paul look bad for some nefarious reason shows a bias on the person who put together this clip.
That might be true - if it were not for the fact of Fox News' well-documented history of repeated, similar conduct with regard to Dr. Paul.

Some folks could be confronted with written of confessions of guilt ..... and still attempt to explain it all away and close their eyes.

It will be real interesting to see if Fox does a mea culpa ..... :rolleyes:
 
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RLENT

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Who defends them at all costs? Yes there are some that defend this or that but defend at all cost?
Well ... defend at all costs ..... is a bit over the top ..... but as a euphemism and figure of speech it's more or less accurate, in the context that most would understand it. Literally, no - it's not.

See muttly's response above to get an example in practice .... :rolleyes:
 

layoutshooter

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"It will be real interesting to see if Fox does a mea culpa"



Yeah right. Fox will admit to their lies, errors and horse hockey about as quick as ABC, NBC and CBS will. Those other 3 have DECADES of lies, errors and horse hockey. Fox is the new kid on the block compared the un-holy trinity. Since I would not hold my breath waiting for those three's mea culpas I suggest that you don't hold your breath waiting on one from Fox.
 

RLENT

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Yeah right. Fox will admit to their lies, errors and horse hockey about as quick as ABC, NBC and CBS will. Those other 3 have DECADES of lies, errors and horse hockey. Fox is the new kid on the block compared the un-holy trinity. Since I would not hold my breath waiting for those three's mea culpas I suggest that you don't hold your breath waiting on one from Fox.
Don't worry - I'm under no illusions. :cool:
 

muttly

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Really ?

Got a lot of time in editing bays do ya ? None, Just gave a common sense response to the the shadow chasing conspiracy theorists.

Having spent easily in excess of a thousand hours slicin' and dicin' and actually turning the knobs over the years, I find it highly unlikely that whoever put the piece together was unaware of what source footage they were using.

What is more likely, is that Fox did not cover the event themselves, nor did they have access to footage from a stringer - so someone made a conscious editorial decision to use footage they did have as B-roll material.

That in itself is generally no big deal - it's done all the time in news and video production. The problem is that the footage they selected was entirely unrepresentative of the actual event and what had actually happened. Right,thus the controversy.

That sin was further compounded by the talking head choosing to comment on something that never happened in a manner as though it did, to Dr. Paul's detriment. Yes the talking head commented on the reaction from the crowd because that's what talking heads do. Yes it was to the detriment to Ron Paul in that instance,but there wasn't anything sinester to it.


That might be true - if it were not for the fact of Fox News' well-documented history of repeated, similar conduct with regard to Dr. Paul.

Some folks could be confronted with written of confessions of guilt ..... and still attempt to explain it all away and close their eyes.

It will be real interesting to see if Fox does a mea culpa ..... :rolleyes:


Ok you convinced me.:rolleyes: So the conspiracy goes like this see: Fox News owner Rupert Murdock sees Ron Paul win the CPAC straw poll and tells Roger Ailes something has to be done to thwart this Ron Paul character because he will be a menace to republicans. Roger Ailes tells Rupert no problem I Know just the dirty trick that will humiliate Ron Paul and stop any momentum with potential supporters. Roger Ailes directs the editing staff to use the wrong footage. It's an order!! He also tells Bill Hemmer to make sure he asks Ron Paul about that rough audience to complete the embarrassment. He also tells Hemmer don't worry everything will be fine and no one will ever notice. Our plot to ruin Ron Paul will succeed. ;)
 

RLENT

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Ok you convinced me.:rolleyes: So the conspiracy goes like this see: Fox News owner Rupert Murdock sees Ron Paul win the CPAC straw poll and tells Roger Ailes something has to be done to thwart this Ron Paul character because he will be a menace to republicans. Roger Ailes tells Rupert no problem I Know just the dirty trick that will humiliate Ron Paul and stop any momentum with potential supporters. Roger Ailes directs the editing staff to use the wrong footage. It's an order!! He also tells Bill Hemmer to make sure he asks Ron Paul about that rough audience to complete the embarrassment. He also tells Hemmer don't worry everything will be fine and no one will ever notice. Our plot to ruin Ron Paul will succeed. ;)
Wow dude :eek: ..... that's almost as utterly delusional as:

...... believing that everyone at your favorite media station came sanitized fresh from journalism school all free from any worldview .... any bias ..... any politics .... or any agenda .... and never develops any after graduating ..... that those in charge of such places don't have any either ..... that producers, editors and talking heads don't make editorial decisions to present a particular message or worldview ..... and the good folks in the media are screened to the highest ethical and moral standards and always tell the truth.

Awesome .... :D

Got any more personal lunacy you'd care to share with us ?
 
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muttly

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Just supplying a little common sense for the shadow chasing conspiracy theorists. Go ahead and keep looking under those rocks for more sinester Fox News dirty tricks. You will find them if you keep looking. Go ahead the rock over there. No not that one dude. The rock over there!:D:rolleyes:
 

witness23

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Who defends them at all costs? Yes there are some that defend this or that but defend at all cost?

As RLENT pointed out. Quite well I must add:

Well ... defend at all costs ..... is a bit over the top ..... but as a euphemism and figure of speech it's more or less accurate, in the context that most would understand it. Literally, no - it's not.

Also, RLENT understood exactly what I was talking about when he added this:

See muttly's response above to get an example in practice ....:rolleyes:

And you have yet again, another example of what I was talking about here:

Just supplying a little common sense for the shadow chasing conspiracy theorists. Go ahead and keep looking under those rocks for more sinester Fox News dirty tricks. You will find them if you keep looking. Go ahead the rock over there. No not that one dude. The rock over there!

This has nothing to do with conspiracies, it is a question of honesty and integrity and reporting the facts. I know, I know, the media has zero integrity, the politicians have zero integrity, yada, yada, yada. This is the "News" side of the FoxNews Channel for God's sake, and you have those that will defend it or chalk it up as a "honest mistake". Common sense indeed. :rolleyes:
 

RLENT

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This has nothing to do with conspiracies,
Precisely ....

When creating fallacious strawman arguments and introducing red herrings is the only way you have to get there, it says something about the quality of one's premise .... :rolleyes:

it is a question of honesty and integrity and reporting the facts.
Indeed ..... and in discussing the matter on here, that someone has no other choice but to resort to such flawed premises as strawmans and red herrings, that are in fact, outright lies ...... well, that might say a little something about the honesty and integrity of those who are so inclined ..... ;)

And BTW the way: it's sinister ... not sinester ....
 
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muttly

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As RLENT pointed out. Quite well I must add:



Also, RLENT understood exactly what I was talking about when he added this:



And you have yet again, another example of what I was talking about here:



This has nothing to do with conspiracies, it is a question of honesty and integrity and reporting the facts. I know, I know, the media has zero integrity, the politicians have zero integrity, yada, yada, yada. This is the "News" side of the FoxNews Channel for God's sake, and you have those that will defend it or chalk it up as a "honest mistake". Common sense indeed. :rolleyes:

Cmon kid get real. My first post on this subject was about the title of this thread Fox News Dirty Tricks. I commented that it was probably a sloppy editing error and not someone with bad motives out to destroy Ron Paul. I was then critisized for defending Fox at all costs because I didn't buy into that argument. I didn't jump to the conclusion because Fox News uses the wrong footage that it automatically means that they have some evil motive. You really need to get rid of that JUMP TO CONCLUSION MAT.:D YouTube - Office Space-Jump 2 Conclusions Mat
 

muttly

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Precisely ....

When creating fallacious strawman arguments and introducing red herrings is the only way you have to get there, it says something about the quality of one's premise .... :rolleyes:


Indeed ..... and in discussing the matter on here, that someone has no other choice but to resort to such flawed premises as strawmans and red herrings, that are in fact, outright lies ...... well, that might say a little something about the honesty and integrity of those who are so inclined ..... ;)

And BTW the way: it's sinister ... not sinester ....

Yet you don't know yourself the exact facts,but pretend to know. Thanks for the spelling correction spell check guy.:D
 

Turtle

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If you run a story about the 2011 Des Moines Balloon Race and show controversial video from the 2010 race, and pass it off as what happened in the 2011 race, that's not sloppy editing, it's by design.
 
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