Foreign Workers Walk Off Job At Hershey Packaging Plant

greg334 · Aug 21, 2011

I understand what you are saying and in many ways think that is true but you need money and a clear commitment from those offering the jobs. It isn't like it used to be, write to an employer and have a job next week. TOO many things now have to be done and the time line to secure the job may be too long. Many times people without the needed skills are not going to be hired, and then trained with no clear return on the employer's investment while other times there is a time issue and the employer hires anyone who can just fill the spot.

In this case, Hershey knew that there would be local people who would want a job there or need a job there but choose to take advantage of the 8.3% reduction in their cost by using people with J-1 visas. That to me is one of the problems, just like using Canadian workers because of the reduction in cost due to their national health care.

I didn't get out your way to look for work, but I did get to go way up north and saw that these jobs are not easy nor are they all that cost effective to have. For me working there wouldn't be the issue but for someone who may feel obliged to fly back home because little Jane fell off her highchair and is in the hospital, it would be an issue.

OntarioVanMan · Aug 21, 2011

I understand....It is a more complicated world then 70-80 years ago..when one could just pack their bag and hop a train...But some of these employers are in booths at job fairs..and people are hired and transportation is all set-up during their visit...

BillChaffey · Aug 21, 2011

IF, these poor Slave labors are here temporarily, do they pay FICA or any other taxes?. Forty hours @$8.00 $320.00 a week.

If they can knock down $320.00 a week in China or Africa they wouldn't be here.

Let them do as the Koreans or illegals from South of the boarder. Half a dozen in a one bed room apartment. Pool your money for food and rent. I'm guessing they are not in their sixties or seventies. They should be happy they they have a job in our country.

OntarioVanMan · Aug 21, 2011

We have crews from SA, and other countries on the harvesting crews...only 2 Americans... hard workers, well taken care of...and go home and live like kings with their families...

They have a life like we do...travellers except they are gone for 5 months and home for 7 months...there is no difference..

Mschaefer · Aug 21, 2011

After reading many comments on her I would have to agree one why is the j-1 program still effective with my self who has been on unemployment for almost two years not because I am lazy or don't want to work after going to college for 5 years and getting my masters in criminal justice sciences
which would make me eligible to become the highest ranking co in a jail to enter many other legal fields it has came to notice that there are jobs few and far the jail I worked for here in Washington state shut down now being unemployed going to so many job interviews at other jails and other corrections facilities and being denied because some one who just graduated a vocational college has not been out of the game for as long persay I have had to even go to the point of applying at mcdonalds wtf is that about. I am looking in to getting in to this industry and I have no problems with it I'm glad to be getting in but my problem is I have an effing masters degree why are we still bringing in these j1s that are potentionaly taking jobs for people like myself or even worse off. And as for moving I have applied and interviewed for a job in NJ anyone would be out of there mind to move anywhere if they didn't have a job lined up and for some people its not that easy to move acrros the neighborhood none the less across state lines or the country. So I guess my point is not every unemployed americian is just lazy and wanting to live off of other taxpayers money
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greg334 · Aug 21, 2011

OntarioVanMan said:
I understand....It is a more complicated world then 70-80 years ago..when one could just pack their bag and hop a train...But some of these employers are in booths at job fairs..and people are hired and transportation is all set-up during their visit...

Ever been to a job fair?

OntarioVanMan · Aug 21, 2011

Mschaefer said:
After reading many comments on her I would have to agree one why is the j-1 program still effective with my self who has been on unemployment for almost two years not because I am lazy or don't want to work after going to college for 5 years and getting my masters in criminal justice sciences
which would make me eligible to become the highest ranking co in a jail to enter many other legal fields it has came to notice that there are jobs few and far the jail I worked for here in Washington state shut down now being unemployed going to so many job interviews at other jails and other corrections facilities and being denied because some one who just graduated a vocational college has not been out of the game for as long persay I have had to even go to the point of applying at mcdonalds wtf is that about. I am looking in to getting in to this industry and I have no problems with it I'm glad to be getting in but my problem is I have an effing masters degree why are we still bringing in these j1s that are potentionaly taking jobs for people like myself or even worse off. And as for moving I have applied and interviewed for a job in NJ anyone would be out of there mind to move anywhere if they didn't have a job lined up and for some people its not that easy to move acrros the neighborhood none the less across state lines or the country. So I guess my point is not every unemployed americian is just lazy and wanting to live off of other taxpayers money
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Well good for you...the willingness to pull anchor and follow your trade...or even the willingness to switch course and learn another where there is a need....

OntarioVanMan · Aug 21, 2011

greg334 said:
Ever been to a job fair?

Honestly no...just speaking from my kids experiences...I've never been without a job for longer then a few weeks in my life...

greg334 · Aug 21, 2011

OntarioVanMan said:
Honestly no...just speaking from my kids experiences...I've never been without a job for longer then a few weeks in my life...

Well try it and see at your age what response you get.

The idea that this is different from 70 or 80 years ago is kind of wrong, try 20 years ago it was different.

Most of the time, many don't hear about the job fairs until it is too late.

paullud · Aug 21, 2011

greg334 said:
Well try it and see at your age what response you get.

The idea that this is different from 70 or 80 years ago is kind of wrong, try 20 years ago it was different.

Most of the time, many don't hear about the job fairs until it is too late.

Job fairs are usually a waste if time, you have far to many people showing up which decreases your odds that you will be the best candidate. I was just listening to NPR in MI and they were talking about people saying they can't find work but then the discussion was changed to go over the fact that a lot of businesses are having trouble filling positions. It seems that a lot of businesses aren't getting people to walk in the door to fill out applications which is really odd given the unemployment there. There are to many people that think they need to go to a job fair or fill out an application online, it is usually a waste.

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greg334 · Aug 21, 2011

Well I can tell you part of the problem, they do not take applications from walk ins.

A lot of business who seem to be complaining are the same ones who either use an on-line application software which instantly rejects applicants based on a set of requirements (like an end date for their last job) or use a third party service that has a specific list of requirements and kicks out resumes/applicants who don't fit those requirements so they can present the company with good candidates - OR BOTH.

I been through the system a few times, know that unless I have a stellar resume with recent experience and have a job already, I won't be considered for many jobs I can do without any problem.

Camper · Aug 21, 2011

If they don't like the working conditions/wages, they're free to nix their visas in favor of one way tickets back home. I'm sure there's over 6 million long-term unemployed Americans. I'm sure there’s at least 400 of them who would be more than happy to take their place.

paullud · Aug 21, 2011

clcooper said:
how much do you need to drive 50 miles one way each day and still pay your bills

Well the job I took to get off of unemployment paid $8/hr and I was driving 70 miles round trip. If I needed to drive 100 miles round trip I would take a job paying $8.50/hr but I would only do it for so long then move closer.

ok next job 49 apply only one gets hired how long do you thibk some of them will be on unemployment . if every job is only hiring a couple of people . do you think it will only take 2 weeks . or maybe it may take months . and way things are the next job may be still 50 that apply for it becuase people are still losing their jobs . one job i applied for only had 5 openings and they got 500 people to apply for only 5 jobs WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU that there is more jobs then unemployed people ??

Well if I were unemployed I would have applications in at more than a few places and I likely wouldn't waste my time applying to places that advertised they are hiring. A lot of these people that are applying for these jobs already have a job they are just looking for a better situation, they are not going to just sit at their current job and be happy. They see an opportunity and are willing to take that risk to chase after the American Dream.

and i asked how are they to pay for both places even for a few months on 10 dollor a hour . and how much do you think they are going to get for rent . when most that are looking are already unemployed and dont have extra money either

They may get behind on the bills for a little while but the house will not be foreclosed on in 3 months. As far as rent it can vary based on your location. The unemployed still need a house so they would still rent your house.

sorry i miss understood you . ok you agreed with me on that . i ask you now to try to understand the rest i have been saying . knowing that i think that way about the church .and i do agree with you about a new world government

i just ask why do you think there is /or will be a NWG /NWO would it be what the stuff that they are doing the wars ,the laws , the regultions ??

I think there is a move toward a one world government because of things like NAFTA, NATO, the UN, and things like the EU.

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greg334 · Aug 21, 2011

paullud said:
Well the job I took to get off of unemployment paid $8/hr and I was driving 70 miles round trip. If I needed to drive 100 miles round trip I would take a job paying $8.50/hr but I would only do it for so long then move closer.

How old are you?

paullud · Aug 21, 2011

Mschaefer said:
After reading many comments on her I would have to agree one why is the j-1 program still effective with my self who has been on unemployment for almost two years not because I am lazy or don't want to work after going to college for 5 years and getting my masters in criminal justice sciences
which would make me eligible to become the highest ranking co in a jail to enter many other legal fields it has came to notice that there are jobs few and far the jail I worked for here in Washington state shut down now being unemployed going to so many job interviews at other jails and other corrections facilities and being denied because some one who just graduated a vocational college has not been out of the game for as long persay I have had to even go to the point of applying at mcdonalds wtf is that about. I am looking in to getting in to this industry and I have no problems with it I'm glad to be getting in but my problem is I have an effing masters degree why are we still bringing in these j1s that are potentionaly taking jobs for people like myself or even worse off. And as for moving I have applied and interviewed for a job in NJ anyone would be out of there mind to move anywhere if they didn't have a job lined up and for some people its not that easy to move acrros the neighborhood none the less across state lines or the country. So I guess my point is not every unemployed americian is just lazy and wanting to live off of other taxpayers money
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I don't think you would be out of your mind to move without having a job. You would just want to move to an area that has job openings that you are qualified for, most people aren't going to hire a person that lives far away because it comes with to many complications. I agree that they need to shut down the visa program as well as pursue illegals and secure the border. As for having a rookie picked over you for the job have you considered they aren't looking for a high ranking CO and that they just want a CO? I wouldn't list your masters degree on the application, I would try to look less educated, it is that old catch 22 of being over qualified.

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paullud · Aug 21, 2011

greg334 said:
How old are you?

Right now 31, when I took that job I was 29.

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greg334 · Aug 21, 2011

Try doing this in your late 40's to late 50's and see what life is like. Many in that age group are called 'tweeners and face age discrimination when trying to find work.

If I was 29, I would not be doing this but working.

paullud · Aug 21, 2011

greg334 said:
Try doing this in your late 40's to late 50's and see what life is like. Many in that age group are called 'tweeners and face age discrimination when trying to find work.

If I was 29, I would not be doing this but working.

You would not be doing what? Expediting?

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