first out

dancorn · Feb 11, 2010

Drive for the Cat and last week had a dry run after waiting several hours to pickup Load A . Was sent a QC message that they were paying detention and I would have a first out upon delivery. On my next run,Load B, I asked about the first out after I had delivered and was told there was none and that Load B was my first out. Did not make any sense. Anyone know what they meant by first out after delivery? If not after the delivery of the next load, then after the delivery of what?

Thanks

moose · Feb 11, 2010

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LDB · Feb 11, 2010

I'd think the first out would go into effect as soon as they pulled you off the dry run so you'd get the first available run offer.

dancorn · Feb 11, 2010

LDB, are you saying that the term 'FIRST OUT AT DELIVERY" is another way of saying FIRST OUT FOR NEXT AVAILABLE LOAD and has nothing to do with a delivery?

LDB · Feb 11, 2010

There's no telling what any particular dispatcher means when they say any particular thing. I'm only commenting on what I personally believe it should mean given the circumstances.

davekc · Feb 11, 2010

I don't pay too much attention to them either way but Leo's interpretation would also be mine. They view a dry run as a completed pro.

Bruno · Feb 11, 2010

A 1st out, a less than 75, or a Dry run status is given only if you do the following.

At Panther the load has to pay $99.00 or less or the run has to have been cancelled. After your load cancelled you was given a 1st out which you used on your next load. It's unfair to other drivers for you to go to the top of the board after doing a 500 mile load.

At FedEx Custom Critical

You get what is called a less than 75 status or a Dry run when you do a load 75 miles or under or your load has cancelled.

I hope this helps.

But I'm like Davekc a 1st out really has no meaning to us. It's really not worth our time to do one with our company.

pelicn · Feb 12, 2010

It sounds like they gave you a 1st out because load A was a dry run. So, load B was your 1st out.
If your dry run put you on a board that had 15 trucks, you went to the top of that list and got offered load B before the other trucks.

chefdennis · Feb 12, 2010

moose wrote:

Ya might want to buy this book :

I agree with moose .....

Zoli · Feb 12, 2010

A lot of time Panther dispatch does not follows their own rules. I still don't know who get the first load in a bord. The closest truck, the first check in truck, the driver with the best acceptance rate, the teams...? Who knows?If you ask two dispatchers you get two different answers. After a year and 4 trucks with Panther I learn something: do not look for logical answers just take the load from A to B and not think. I think the dispatchers are not trained well because the turnover rate is huge.A lot of time when I asked a question the answer was :I don't know but a team leader will call you back with the answer. They never call... So my advice is take the goods from Panther and forget the bads.In this way you will survive with Panther.It is frustrating when a cargo van driver is number 2 or 3 in a board and see the trucks from behind him disappearing one by one. Or when they give you a 800 miles load with 80 miles pick up and force you to swap after 100 miles just because in their eye you do not have enough hours.

LDB · Feb 12, 2010

The wrong in that is swapping 100 miles into an 800 mile run. Nobody solo has enough hours to do 880 miles single transit. In a case like that the swap should be in the 350-450 mile range so both drivers get about half the loaded miles.

Zoli · Feb 12, 2010

LDB said:
The wrong in that is swapping 100 miles into an 800 mile run. Nobody solo has enough hours to do 880 miles single transit. In a case like that the swap should be in the 350-450 mile range so both drivers get about half the loaded miles.

A friend of mine left Panther for this reason. He went to a company name All State I think. He had a lot of runs beetwen 800 and 1800 mile.He never transfered a load! Never.

LDB · Feb 12, 2010

I don't believe anyone gets an 1800 mile single transit run and if they do they should lose their license for accepting it and the dispatcher should lose their job for dispatching it.

Zoli · Feb 12, 2010

LDB said:
I don't believe anyone gets an 1800 mile single transit run and if they do they should lose their license for accepting it and the dispatcher should lose their job for dispatching it.

We talking about cargo vans.

Noname · Feb 12, 2010

Even a cargo van shouldn't be offered/accept an 1800 mile load unless there is time built in for resting/sleeping. Otherwise, the driver, O/O, and dispatching company would be open to liability in case of an accident. Now, an 1800 mile run WITH rest time is a beauty for a solo CV.

LDB · Feb 12, 2010

Yes, I'm talking about a cargo van getting an 1800 mile single transit run. In theory a solo truck couldn't due to HOS although some of those guys run 2 or even 3 logbooks and should be in jail instead of in a truck cab.

davekc · Feb 12, 2010

Pretty good bet Panther isn't going to put a 1800 mile straight through load on a solo unless there is a sleep period in it. I agree with the others that is totally irresponsible to have someone solo running something like that without a break regardless of the vehicle size.
As for board positions, they don't exist as I believe I have posted before. Boards are way too big for it to have any value. The closer you are to the freight the better the opportunities.
As for first outs, they are generally a invitation to recieve a load that no one wants, a hazmat (most brokers don't do hazmat), or a charity run that isn't getting covered off their broker board. That is why we pay little attention to either one.

cheri1122 · Feb 12, 2010

I found Panther's 'first out' policy overwhelmingly benefited Panther, drivers not so much. Drivers can't even find whether they actually got the next load offered, so they just have to trust dispatch.
You might - I didn't.

Zoli · Feb 12, 2010

LDB said:
Yes, I'm talking about a cargo van getting an 1800 mile single transit run. In theory a solo truck couldn't due to HOS although some of those guys run 2 or even 3 logbooks and should be in jail instead of in a truck cab.

I'm a little bit confusing here. What logbooks are you talking in a cargo van?