first Mexican truck into the interior U.S.

[Turtle]

When drug cartels are running entire towns there is no reason to risk our safety given the problems we face in our country already.

Are the drug cartels running any towns here in the US? Or are you asserting that these Mexican trucks will be transporting Mexican drug cartel leaders, into the US where they will be taking over entire towns here?

There are going to be other concerns of safety for jobs and on the roadways, it is reasonable to be concerned and to want to avoid a problem over an unneeded program.

I'm not sure what roadway safety concerns there are, beyond those we already have, but I do agree that it's an unneeded program that will effectively reduce American jobs.

 

[scottm4211]

He might mean it would be dangerous for headless Mexican drivers to be on the interstates

 

[ChanceMaster]

Yes I know, I have a different opinion than you so I must be to stupid or ignorant to be allowed to have one.

My reply to your being astute and knowledgeable about NAFTA was uncalled for and rude on my part, I extend my apologies , it is not my intent or desire to conduct myself this way on a forum of my peers. Knee jerk reaction on my part.

Corporate greed? We are all greedy, why should a corporation be different? NAFTA is the tool they are using to outsource/insource jobs so let's get rid of it and find a better way. The government gave them the tool and imposed restrictions and costs to make it a better idea to move the jobs. This is the government at work and has less to do with corporate greed than corporations trying to survive and beat the competition.

I think I know where you going with this, the difference in my greed vs corporate greed is the sheer magnitude of said greed. My greediness affects me alone. While not a NAFTA illustration,with all due respect, doesn't the greediness of BOA bother you, or do just chalk it up to "everyone is greedy" ?

 

[Turtle]

The problem with corporate greed isn't the magnitude, it's the fact they have the means to enforce their will and exact that greed on others, thanks to the way the government has allowed the financial system to be structured. A report from the CBO just came out that shows the rich are not just getting richer, but are doing so exponentially, and directly at the expense of the Middle and Lower Class. It's quite the eye-popper.

 

[skyraider]

Lets us be positive###Petro,J,TA,and so on will fall all over themselves to provide Mexican food for the south of the border truckers. Move over Taco Bell, you will have to do better then squirt gun food sauce

 

[ChanceMaster]

Lets us be positive###Petro,J,TA,and so on will fall all over themselves to provide Mexican food for the south of the border truckers. Move over Taco Bell, you will have to do better then squirt gun food sauce

I'm quite a fan of Tacos..best I've ever had were in Laredo ! Onions..cilantro..and a small salad bar sized condiment bar. Simple, cheap, delicious.

 

[paullud]

Are the drug cartels running any towns here in the US? Or are you asserting that these Mexican trucks will be transporting Mexican drug cartel leaders, into the US where they will be taking over entire towns here?

Having the amount of control the drug cartels have in Mexico and giving them an easy opportunity to run guns, drugs, and cash in the US is ridiculous. They have a fight going on now that has shown these cartels will stop at nothing to expand their empire including kidnappings and beheadings. There is no reason to invite more problems into the US than we already have coming out of Mexico.

I'm not sure what roadway safety concerns there are, beyond those we already have, but I do agree that it's an unneeded program that will effectively reduce American jobs.

The issue I see with roadway safety are two fold 1 we are combining two different cultures and saying have at it. The second issue will come into play after we ease up on inspections. During the pilot program in 2007 you would think they would take extra care to make sure equipment was ready and drivers were on top of everything. They still ended up with about a 9% OOS rate most of it was due to unsafe equipment. I do know that there are unsafe American drivers and equipment but I don't get the idea of importing more problems.

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[paullud]

My reply to your being astute and knowledgeable about NAFTA was uncalled for and rude on my part, I extend my apologies , it is not my intent or desire to conduct myself this way on a forum of my peers. Knee jerk reaction on my part.

Accepted and forgotten.

I think I know where you going with this, the difference in my greed vs corporate greed is the sheer magnitude of said greed. My greediness affects me alone. While not a NAFTA illustration,with all due respect, doesn't the greediness of BOA bother you, or do just chalk it up to "everyone is greedy" ?

BOA's greed really bothers me and this came up in another thread that I have an account with them but not for long. That is the thing we seem to forget in America, the power of the consumer. Just take a look at Mexico, prices are negotiated and haggling is normal. We went pretty far into Mexico where we were the only whites and people were starring at us. (I didn't feel threatened, just found it funny.) A few of us made the trip because my brother wanted a tailored suit, the whole time we were buying things right down to his suit it was hard to think you should be negotiating prices. We lost that idea here and only use the power we have when a large group decides they will boycott a product for whatever reason. This has given the corporations the power they have over us and the government, we allowed them to take over so I think we should be protesting ourselves instead of corporations.

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[ChanceMaster]

I think we should be protesting ourselves instead of corporations.

Interesting thought.

I had a very similar thought the other day, a little closer to home. My co-driver and I had a run into NYC ( 30 miles deadhead - 10 run miles ) run miles actually turned into 3 miles instead of 10 when GPS figured the route. The item required non-adj ( go inside- no dock) on the 1st stop. We delivered to the second stop and ascertained that we could not approach the dock due to a low bridge..so being industrious, I just wheeled the cargo down the street to the dock. It took a little effort, but it was the best way to get the item delivered (said item had large castors and a built in handles) for our effort on the 2nd stop, dispatch revised our pay to over $900. Shortly after we congratulated ourselves on such a high rate, I sat in the passenger seat and wondered WHO absorbed the cost of that run ? And the next time I moan about the high cost of something in NYC, i'll remember how much I put in my pocket without hesitation.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

I think we should be protesting ourselves instead of corporations.

Interesting thought.

I had a very similar thought the other day, a little closer to home. My co-driver and I had a run into NYC ( 30 miles deadhead - 10 run miles ) run miles actually turned into 3 miles instead of 10 when GPS figured the route. The item required non-adj ( go inside- no dock) on the 1st stop. We delivered to the second stop and ascertained that we could not approach the dock due to a low bridge..so being industrious, I just wheeled the cargo down the street to the dock. It took a little effort, but it was the best way to get the item delivered (said item had large castors and a built in handles) for our effort on the 2nd stop, dispatch revised our pay to over $900. Shortly after we congratulated ourselves on such a high rate, I sat in the passenger seat and wondered WHO absorbed the cost of that run ? And the next time I moan about the high cost of something in NYC, i'll remember how much I put in my pocket without hesitation.

So what you are saying..you too are a greedy corporate officer and took as much as the system would give you?

 

[paullud]

This is an interesting piece that is about a guy that was kidnapping, killing, and terrorizing Mexico. The story itself is interesting but some of the details kind of jump out one being that over 40,000 people have been murdered since 2006. Another point is that we forget poor here means that you get help with public assistance, poor there is a foreign concept to us. When you look at the murders there it is shocking to think this is happening on our door step and we are going to allow cartels access to our country through NAFTA. I believe it is the Zetas that are making over $40 billion a year, I think getting involved in the trucking companies there would be no problem for them, they could even just kidnap and kill to get control of one. If I take a look at the potential problems that can arise from this I feel that the risks far exceed any potential benefits of more profit for corporations.

Mexico's Drug War: Confessions of a Narco-Killer - Yahoo! News

 

[ChanceMaster]

So what you are saying..you too are a greedy corporate officer and took as much as the system would give you?

that is EXACTLY what I am saying ! I did spin it in my mind though..of course remembering a few runs that were nightmares, cancelled loads, etc.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

This is an interesting piece that is about a guy that was kidnapping, killing, and terrorizing Mexico. The story itself is interesting but some of the details kind of jump out one being that over 40,000 people have been murdered since 2006. Another point is that we forget poor here means that you get help with public assistance, poor there is a foreign concept to us. When you look at the murders there it is shocking to think this is happening on our door step and we are going to allow cartels access to our country through NAFTA. I believe it is the Zetas that are making over $40 billion a year, I think getting involved in the trucking companies there would be no problem for them, they could even just kidnap and kill to get control of one. If I take a look at the potential problems that can arise from this I feel that the risks far exceed any potential benefits of more profit for corporations.

Mexico's Drug War: Confessions of a Narco-Killer - Yahoo! News

Paul..you watch that series Border Wars?...The cartel will use whatever they think will work.....heck the one show featured the trains that go back and forth...hidden compartments....but CBS....found the drugs...
That is like saying lets stop all imports from Asia because of all the Opium...

 

[scottm4211]

I just don't get the parallel.

 

[paullud]

Paul..you watch that series Border Wars?...The cartel will use whatever they think will work.....heck the one show featured the trains that go back and forth...hidden compartments....but CBS....found the drugs...
That is like saying lets stop all imports from Asia because of all the Opium...

The issue I see though is that drugs coming in from other countries are a very small fraction of what is coming in from Mexico. This just gives the cartels one more way to profit, one more way to spread their rein of terror. I would like to see the Mexican people stand up but they have been beaten down by cartels and their own government for so long I don't know that they ever will. I just don't like the idea we are giving them another point of access to our country when we can't control the access they have already. We are going to be helping fund terrorists on our door step, this isn't some far off place that we can just ignore the violence.

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[OntarioVanMan]

The issue I see though is that drugs coming in from other countries are a very small fraction of what is coming in from Mexico. This just gives the cartels one more way to profit, one more way to spread their rein of terror. I would like to see the Mexican people stand up but they have been beaten down by cartels and their own government for so long I don't know that they ever will. I just don't like the idea we are giving them another point of access to our country when we can't control the access they have already. We are going to be helping fund terrorists on our door step, this isn't some far off place that we can just ignore the violence.

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That we agree on.....We need to secure our border....IF anyone in the world needs our help it is Mexico....if we expended half the effort we do being the worlds police force..we could make a difference....

 

[paullud]

That we agree on.....We need to secure our border....IF anyone in the world needs our help it is Mexico....if we expended half the effort we do being the worlds police force..we could make a difference....

Absolutely, I want to help Mexico since they share a border their problems quickly become ours and I view it as helping America. If we help them get their economy going so it is producing jobs it can put a major dent in drugs and illegal immigration.

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[greg334]

I would like to see the Mexican people stand up but they have been beaten down by cartels and their own government for so long I don't know that they ever will.

So would I love to see the Mexican people live without the fear but it will take more than just standing up. I think this is akin to what the Nazis did in Warsaw in the ghetto. I don't think the government has been the problem as much as it has been the drug people.

We are not either serious about border security nor we are a country that stands for much other than our own arrogance. We are ok with being part of a multi-national group allowing a destabilizing force to be established in a place where just a small part of our problems actually exist but we can't bring ourselves to realize that one of the two most important countries we have is fighting a serious civil war and looks like it is losing.

NO matter how people want to cut it or shape it, they deny the truth that we can't fight any "war on Terror" or even worry about the middle east until we have dealt with the problems south of our southern border.

So I have to ask, what is worst;

another 9/11 where 3000 people are killed by a small group

or

having our communities all over the country be terrorized and a lot more people killed by people who are trying to control not just our country but their mother country as territory?

You should decide what's more important because it is only one thing we can do at a time.

 

[Turtle]

I don't think it's either/or, I think it's both.

 

[greg334]

I can't see using the resources for both happening. We are having issues with Pakistan now, serious ones but they are not as important as those on our border or in Mexico that is a bigger threat.