Finally a carrier that works for their cut!

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
Well that kinda depends on the owner and the contract with the driver. We incourage our drivers to reposition to good boards rather than the closest. We find that in the long run it pays off. Any person, owner or driver, willing to sit on a bad board rather the burn the fuel to get to a better one will soon find themselves broke and/or bankrupt. (and likely in here crying about thier carrier causing them to lose everything)

Oh your very right about the crying on that one,have my suspicions about that in this case as a matter of fact.
What i had meant was the only people who could be forced to stay put was those not paying fuel and are at the whim of there owner.
 

angelsotr

Seasoned Expediter
Well after bouncing around from carrier to carrier, having my own authority for a brief while, I have finally found a carrier that actually does what they claimed they would do.

My first 10 days with this carrier has given me the following runs:

575, 385 miles, 1550, 975, 1050, and 400 miles.

I drive a 22-foot straight truck, I am a solo driver, and am running all over instead of just 'hanging around' in the truck stops in the midwest.

While they give me some really nice long runs I always have at least two days or over the weekend to get them there. I have been shocked on how they have been able to keep me running while all the other carriers I have drove for could only offer excuses, bs first in first out policies, etc etc.

Its great to finally be working for a carrier that is walking the walk.

On a side note - its nice to pull out of a truck stop to head to a load and see the 'big carrier' just sitting there.

sounds like a winner,you care to share the name of the company. i been going crazy trying to find a place i can go solo,i'm also having trouble finding a team mate.
 

BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
Four Thousand nine hundred and thirty five miles in ten days. If I understand the HOS rules, a driver is allowed to drive 10 hours in a 14 hour period then must be off the road for 10 hours. 4,935 miles in ten days averages out to 493.5 miles per day or just under 50 MPH average. I would think you would need to be going a pretty good clip to average so close to 50 mph.
 

bluejaybee

Veteran Expediter
Don't know about 10 hours, but I drive 11 hours a day. Sometimes a little more if nobody is watching. HeHe!
 
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Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Four Thousand nine hundred and thirty five miles in ten days. If I understand the HOS rules, a driver is allowed to drive 10 hours in a 14 hour period then must be off the road for 10 hours. 4,935 miles in ten days averages out to 493.5 miles per day or just under 50 MPH average. I would think you would need to be going a pretty good clip to average so close to 50 mph.

Bearcat you are new to E.O. so suggesting you consider the source of this information won't mean much to you. Others who have been members for a few years will recognize this poster as one who re-invents himself every six months or so under a new screen name with even more bigger and better opportunities to boast about. Maybe he isn't bragging, but rather apologizing. I really can't tell.

Enough about Mr. Ft. Wagon. What concerns me is a trend I see concerning mileage. It looks like the truckload mentality of miles, miles, miles has infested the expedite industry. Everyone one seems to be either getting lots of miles or not enough miles. But it is always about miles! Not about money.

I understand that putting some miles behind us is necessary to generate some revenue. But when it comes down to running miles just to keep the wheels turning... well how did it come to this?

As much as I like to drive, I still look at the revenue not the mileage. Even my carrier calls with offers of "reduced rate loads" explaining that these loads are booked to keep me running. I thank them for the effort, but decline the load. I have not reached the point of running just to keep the wheels turning. At least not yet!

So am I alone in some bizarre Moot lala land where a .70/mile cargo van rate is something I am not interested in? Am I so totally out of touch with reality and the current economic situation that my approach to expediting is a form of business suicide?
 

gjmcclain

Not a Member
Bearcat you are new to E.O. so suggesting you consider the source of this information won't mean much to you. Others who have been members for a few years will recognize this poster as one who re-invents himself every six months or so under a new screen name with even more bigger and better opportunities to boast about. Maybe he isn't bragging, but rather apologizing. I really can't tell.

Moot, you are a bitter person, unwilling to let go of the past and move forward. This is not a reinvention of a person, rather a person who has learned from his mistakes willing to move forward and continue to learn and grow.

It looks like the truckload mentality of miles, miles, miles has infested the expedite industry. Everyone one seems to be either getting lots of miles or not enough miles. But it is always about miles! Not about money.

I believe what everyone is saying is maybe the expedite industry needs to start thinking outside the box and instead of making every mile profitable over a short period, the thought maybe turning towards making the majority of the miles profitable over a longer period. But, that is one hell of a risk to take. It should be up to the o/o if he wants to take that risk.

And, Moot, no your not out of touch with the economics of expediting. But, the market of expediting, I believe is turning more into a LTL business and will force some of us out of the business if we don't change with it.
 

pjjjjj

Veteran Expediter
I don't want to have anyone jumping all over me because they feel like I'm dissing their carrier of choice, that is not my intent.

I do believe GJ is mentioning a valid point here. It has to do with f l e x i b i l i t y. (If I were smarter I would make that word be all bendy like Gumby.)

There were MANY times when with our first carrier, we couldn't understand WHY they could/would not look for something/anything to at least help with some of the deadhead incurred to get out of a hole after making a delivery. We didn't give a big-rodent's butt if it was called LTL or expedite or courier or moving or delivery. It appeared to us they would rather instead, wait for that phone to ring, or wait for that golden load from a preferred customer to appear on a board somewhere.

That is why I believe those who are allowed the opportunity to book at least some of their own freight while still remaining with their carrier of choice, are getting the best of both worlds. At least they can have some sort of control over their own destiny.

Sure we could've waited a few days for the better paying load from a preferred customer, but at some point it has to be weighed whether perhaps getting that little LTL load on Day One would've been a more financially sound choice than waiting 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or even 7 days for the goldie. That's if the goldie ever even comes! Each of those however-many-days spent waiting, is precluding the possibility of the next golden load coming out of wherever you landed when you chose to take that lowly LTL load.

Sure, in preferring to sit instead, the miles wouldn't be running away on the truck, so we could've assured ourselves, yes, we may be sitting, but at least we're not spending truck miles. The thing is, you've got to eventually get out anyway, one way or another. Some would prefer to take some leisurely days off, while others are the type to prefer moving more quickly onto the next possibility. It also has to be taken into account how much it costs to sit, even aside from lost days of intangible future possible load opportunities and whatever one deems their days on the road to be worth.

Another reality today is the pricing of shipments. It seems there is some cut-throating going on within the industry. Your carrier of choice may be having a more difficult time these days in obtaining their usual rates on a consistent basis right now. Try as they might, that preferred customer may wish to take advantage of trying out another company who has quoted a lower rate.

Should they stick their head in the sand with determination to wait out the economic downturn, and hope for the best for the future? Or should they say fine, we'll meet that lower rate, BUT at that rate we are not able to guarantee you exclusive use of our truck. You'd be surprised at how many shippers really don't care if another skid goes on the truck along with their freight, as long as their freight gets there safely and within their time frame, which by the way, isn't always 'immediately'. If we're being asked to take loads for less than we're thrilled with, I'd hope there is time to grab another skid going in the same direction to help offset that reduction in price.

With some of the larger carriers, their policies seem to be written in stone. They're too big to make changes, and especially to quickly make changes. Many are so large, they have another business-model under the same umbrella, waiting to offer a different level of service to their customer. This may mean their expediters will simply not even get the opportunity to say, 'no thanks'. An example of that would be the difference between FECC and Ground.

With a small(er) company, they may have the flexibility to do what they have to, when they have to, to change with the times. They may not have to meet protocols about passing lower-paying loads onto another division. The small(er) company may have the opportunity to say, YES we can do that for you, BUT at the same time, don't expect our truck to carry your freight exclusively at that price. They can then offer that load to their drivers, along with the possibility and additional effort required on their own part, of trying to find something to go along with it. Freight doesn't exactly have cooties, it CAN ride together with other freight without becoming contaminated. Well, unless it's that orange cheese powder I guess. :)

The key right now is flexibility. Nowhere is it written in stone that anything going on right now will be signed in stone to be the way things will be done a year from now, or worse, forever. A large company might be able to get enough UNdiscounted freight to keep all their contractors content and in business, based on their name. Others will think outside the box to keep their contractors viable until things turn around. Others yet, may merge with others or just disappear altogether. There doesn't need to be infighting amongst us... wear the shoe that fits your own business goals.
 
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Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
mjolnir131 - yes, i run my own business (truck) however you want to state it. the problem i had with P2 is i felt with all their clutter of trucks, long list of corporate dispatch policies, the clutter of trucks and policies run the show, not the drivers, not the owner/operators but P2 controls it all in one way or another. but, that is just my thought. where i am at now, there are much fewer trucks internally to compete with, no bs dispatch policies, etc etc. i run as much as i want. be it 1500 miles per week or 3,000-plus miles per week. my rate is competitive, the dispatchers are some of the best in the business and i wasn't given some bs sales pitch to get me to training only to hear something totally different when i got there. i am not putting down P2 as a company. heck look at them, look at their bank statement - i am sure the money is rolling in. but what i am saying is they are far from a driver friendly company. take a survey some day of current drivers - i bet at least 50% of them would agree with me and that they would be more than willing to leave if they could at least get the same mileage but a little bit of respect in return. once again, just my thoughts.

You just told me who you're running for.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
Four Thousand nine hundred and thirty five miles in ten days. If I understand the HOS rules, a driver is allowed to drive 10 hours in a 14 hour period then must be off the road for 10 hours. 4,935 miles in ten days averages out to 493.5 miles per day or just under 50 MPH average. I would think you would need to be going a pretty good clip to average so close to 50 mph.


Isn't anyone going to comment on the above????
 

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
Isn't anyone going to comment on the above????

OK ... i had assumed from post one that the corp. rules the op did not like was the fact he could not hedge your log book at Panther and have been trying to get him to cross that line for the last how ever many pages
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
But, the market of expediting, I believe is turning more into a LTL business and will force some of us out of the business if we don't change with it.

Many of us have said this for a long time but ignored. AND the market is not expediting but transportation.

Aren't you the guy who was a driver than a broker than got bought up for billions and then disappointing and then came back as a driver or broker or something else than an owner than..... what are you again?

Now if you are, changing you moniker lessens your credibility, you do know that?

I agree with the smaller company thing, I even agree with adapting but unless you can actually look for your own loads, than what you are saying goes back to the past in sort of a odd way.... like when you sold your brokerage thing.

But I'm glad you are making money.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
Four Thousand nine hundred and thirty five miles in ten days. If I understand the HOS rules, a driver is allowed to drive 10 hours in a 14 hour period then must be off the road for 10 hours. 4,935 miles in ten days averages out to 493.5 miles per day or just under 50 MPH average. I would think you would need to be going a pretty good clip to average so close to 50 mph.

I'm trying not to be mean but sometimes it is very difficult when you see the things that are posted on this site. It is really unbelievable to me that you see this kind of understanding of the Hour of Service rules from so-called "professional" drivers. Instead of reading posts and posting here maybe open a FMCSR and get a better understanding of the regs.

Please, someone other than myself point out the problems with this post.
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Isn't anyone going to comment on the above????

I'd be happy to. There is a real good chance (if'n those results are a burden to you) that WHEN under load he didn't pull off at "too many" rest spots and kept on keep'in on with the windshield time. May have had a couple 650 or 700 mile days during that period (65mph X 11= 715, jes by gitt'in R done. Nothing rocket sciency about it!! Isn't anyone going to comment about what the witness23 possibly "DON'T" know about logging????
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
I'd be happy to. There is a real good chance (if'n those results are a burden to you) that WHEN under load he didn't pull off at "too many" rest spots and kept on keep'in on with the windshield time. May have had a couple 650 or 700 mile days during that period (65mph X 11= 715, jes by gitt'in R done. Nothing rocket sciency about it!! Isn't anyone going to comment about what the witness23 possibly "DON'T" know about logging????

It just amuses me that someone would question what the guy did and not know the rules. Exactly right col, it's not "rocket sciency" that is what's amusing. I'll give you guys a few more cracks at it to see who can get the gold star.
 

witness23

Veteran Expediter
Alright I'll cut to the chase.

How many hours do you need for your break?
How many hours can you drive?
How many hours can you drive in a 24 hour period(with the mandatory break)?

The answers do not include the "split sleeper berth" option.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Alright I'll cut to the chase.
The answers do not include the "split sleeper berth" option.
How many hours do you need for your break?

I am answering for me.

A break is relative to the situation, if it is a matter of getting there and only getting there, when I fuel up, I have my food within arms reach - snacks. I am self contained so I have my toilet and everything else, so pulling over into a rest area to do my business is a given (actually anywhere I can stop safely and legally), I don't even get out of the truck. AND yes I can wash my hands too.

How many hours can you drive?

I can drive 11 legally but.... I don't. I worry about the back end of the load, will I interfere with my start time tomorrow if my delivery is the next day or something like that. I also limit myself for a lot of other reasons, one is I am out of shape and fat.

How many hours can you drive in a 24 hour period(with the mandatory break)?

I take the full 10 hour break.

Within the 24 period - midnight to midnight, you can drive 14 hours but it is when you start on the previous day that matters. You can start at 2000 start the previous day and end at 0400 the next day, 11 hours each day with 10 hours right in the middle, so you got 7 and 7 on either end within the 24 hour period which gives you the 14 hours. I think I explained it right, someone correct me if I am wrong.
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Before getting too uptight about the post regarding HOS let's remember there are many people who van expedite and therefore are not subject to HOS. Those folks may not know the exact details of HOS.

That said, the rules (absent split logging which is a nightmare we won't go into) are a maximum of 11 hours driving during any maximum 14 hour duty cycle followed by a minimum 10 hour break. Theoretically one could legally drive 10.5 hours at the maximum posted speed limit with the other half hour being getting up to speed and slowing down when pulling through scales or hitting the fuel island. It is very unlikely one would be able to drive the maximum legal limit the entire time however so one should probably figure around 85% of max legal speed times 11 hours legal driving as a safe estimate of the legal distance coverable during any given drive period. That number would vary greatly depending on locations and in the east may still be overly optimistic.

In any event, the legal numbers for HOS are 11 driving in 14 max clock hours.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Except for inspection time , I think you hit it rather well!

Which one of us?

Leo, I should have added that about the 14 hour cycle but the question was about drive time. I didn't add pre/post trip or as Doug mentioned inspection time.
 
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