Finally a carrier that works for their cut!

[DougTravels]

I always log a pretrip insp, I have never logged a post trip, I realized I was wrong on this after about a year. A friend told me I was supposed to. At that time, my logs had been gone over at scale houses quite a few times, with never a mention of it. I still don't log post trip insp time, If I ever get nailed for it I will start, maybe I have just been lucky. The only log violation I ever got was so dumb, I stopped for fuel and drew the line down to on duty and over 15 minutes, but didn't draw the quarter inch or so line back up to driving. I'll never make that mistake again, 150 bucks if I remember right.

 

[x06col]

Leo, ya start a midnite, drive 11, sleep 10, it's 2100hrs, ya drive til midnite(3 more hours).
Where I went to school 11+3 wuz always 14. 24hrs, midnite to midnite. Or, if'n ya want to get techie bout pti 13.5 hrs driving.

Regardless, many of you won't have to worry bout breaking the log book rules the way freight seems to be, at least for a while. But, the way most carriers seem to manage the contractors income, most will NEVER have to worry bout it.

It's politically correct, this equality thing.

 

[LDB]

Yes, in the right situation you can have two separate segments on the same calendar day. I wasn't saying you can only do one segment per day. I was answering what was wrong with the post about 10 hours driving. I also didn't mention inspections as that's part of the 14 hour on duty window not affected by the 11 hours drive time.

I believe the rule is you must log one 15 minute inspection per day on duty not driving and most folks log the pretrip for that. You are supposed to also note the other inspection, in this case post trip, but do not have to use a second 15 minute on duty not driving time slice for it.

 

[BillChaffey]

First I apologize for the error on 10 hours instead of 11. What I am having trouble understanding is-the HOS Say's 60 hours in 7 days you must park for 34 hours. 70 hours in 8 days also must park. 60 hours in 7 days is about (I think) 8 hours and 45 minutes of driving time. 60 hours divided by 7 days = 8.571 hours.= 557 miles a day at 65 MPH. Or 65 MPH for 60 hours = 3,900 miles. Then you are required to sit for 34 hours. You have now used 8 1/2 of your ten days. So with 36 hours left you drive another 11 hours at 65 mph = 715 miles. Leaving 320 for the next 11 hours available. I'm sure there are plenty of drivers who can do it. BUT to average 65 mph you need to be doing 80 most of the time.
If my figures are all wrong, then I apoligize now.

 

[DougTravels]

Thanks LDB! Does any1 know for sure if you need to log that other 15 min for a post trip insp.?

 

[gjmcclain]

One should note that if you stay in the truck, focus, drive, drive and drive without taking rest stop breaks, coffee breaks, chit-chat breaks it is very easy to actually drive 10-11 hours each day and still stay within the regs and still in fact make on time drops.

My logs have been gone over time after time. In fact, during this 10-day round, I had my logs looked over five different times at weight stations and road side inspections.

NO LOG BOOK VIOLATIONS, NO SPEEDING TICKETS - nothing.

Its all about trip planning and having everything you need at your arms reach in the truck.

 

[Moot]

My logs have been gone over time after time. In fact, during this 10-day round, I had my logs looked over five different times at weight stations and road side inspections.

Do you buy lottery tickets?

 

[davekc]

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My logs have been gone over time after time. In fact, during this 10-day round, I had my logs looked over five different times at weight stations and road side inspections.

Its all about trip planning and having everything you need at your arms reach in the truck.

Just an observation. If you have been checked that many times in a 10 day period, you may want to evaluate your trucks appearance. Maybe your own appearance? Seems very excessive. We hadn't had a truck stopped in the last four months.

 

[gjmcclain]

davekc - Well, personally, I shower every day, brush my teeth, have no hair left to comb. So, I don't think it is me. Now, the truck does tend to be a little shower sensative, jumping in maybe once every couple of weeks. However, one state trooper in Tennessee did tell me he pulled me behind the weight station because he had never heard of the company, which honestly was fine with me. He told me alot of troopers will do thier inspections based upon the overall company safety record, the kind of truck you might be in (he admitted straight trucks are a quick inspection to get out of the way) and also if they have not personally heard of the company. Makes me no difference, my logs are good, and my truck is maintained on a daily basis and given a true pre-trip and post-trip inspection. Maybe, I just need to talk to my truck and tell him a 'shower' is a good thing...........but, as a side note, there was a bitter young DOT inspector outside of Los Indos, Texas that tried to cite me for an airline leak even though she couldn't find it she could only hear it. We called her supervisor and I was on my way. Point here is - if they can't actually show the infraction they can not cite you for it. Yes, I found the leak later and if she would have kept looking she would have found it. It was a 'vacum' leak of some sort that was fixed at a TA within an hour.

 

[bluejaybee]

Truck apperance does play a role in getting inspected often or not. I have heard the DOT guys talk about it amongst themselves. And single axle straight trucks are sitting ducks. Easiest to inspect and a truck is a truck on their inspect list. I do try to keep my truck clean and decent looking, but I am like gjm, it seems I get called out at the weigh station very often. Even though I have a sticker on the window from a previous inspect. Those stickers mean nothing to a straight truck. We are just easy prey. And before some of you start jumping on me, I said single axle straight trucks.

 

[RLENT]

Moot, you are a bitter person,

..... ya gotta be kiddin ...... seriously ..... ?

 

[TonyG]

Hmmm, anyone think this thread got hi-jacked lol

 

[witness23]

First I apologize for the error on 10 hours instead of 11. What I am having trouble understanding is-the HOS Say's 60 hours in 7 days you must park for 34 hours. 70 hours in 8 days also must park. 60 hours in 7 days is about (I think) 8 hours and 45 minutes of driving time. 60 hours divided by 7 days = 8.571 hours.= 557 miles a day at 65 MPH. Or 65 MPH for 60 hours = 3,900 miles. Then you are required to sit for 34 hours. You have now used 8 1/2 of your ten days. So with 36 hours left you drive another 11 hours at 65 mph = 715 miles. Leaving 320 for the next 11 hours available. I'm sure there are plenty of drivers who can do it. BUT to average 65 mph you need to be doing 80 most of the time.
If my figures are all wrong, then I apoligize now.

Hey bearcat I didn't mean to single you out, I can understand you being a little skeptical of this drivers claim. The questions that I asked were very simple but just as I thought would happen, happened. You people on this site can make the simplest things all "rocket sciency" as col put it.

You can drive 11 hours, you then have to take a 10 hour break, simple. You can drive 14 hours, in any 24 hour period as long as you had a 10 hour break(don't make it difficult). After 14 hours of WORK(lines 3&4 on your log) you cannot DRIVE until you get a 10 hour rest period. Now for the above comment about parking the truck for 34 hours, you do not have to sit for 34 hours. That is a bone that the Fed's have thrown to you to get your 70 hours back, there is no requirement to sit for 34 hours. If you reach your 70 hours in 8 days you will have to wait until you get some hours back, who knows what that number is, it depends on what you did 8 days ago. It could be 1 hour to 9,10,11etc,etc.

Just an F.Y.I. since it came up earlier. Remember these are the minimum requirements, the company that you work for may have their own policies. You have to do a pre-trip inspection and that inspection needs to be shown on your log. Now, that can be 15 minutes (on-duty not driving) or "Flagged"(I hope I don't have to explain Flagged). In a straight truck DOT will accept a "Flagged" PTI because there are less components to check on a straight truck than a Tractor-Trailer. As for the Post-Trip Inspection that does not have to be shown on your grid because you are required to complete your DVIR (Driver Vehicle Inspection Report) at the end of your work day. Again, company policies may differ and as you all know, interpretations from officer to officer may differ. Look at it this way, if they are not shutting you down or giving you a ticket who cares.

I hope I've helped out some of you by shedding some light on the regulations. If you have any questions I would be more than happy to do my best to answer them for you.

 

[greg334]

My logs have been gone over time after time. In fact, during this 10-day round, I had my logs looked over five different times at weight stations and road side inspections.

The only way that you get logs inspected 5 times in 10 days is if you look like a hazard, or act weird when you pull into the scales. I get pulled in for inspection 6 times last year, I was told exactly why 5 out of 6 - because my truck is small and it is easy and fast for them to do an inspection.

 

[x06col]

witness, it'll amaze you what you'll have to splain to many folks that visit here, and actually just how little many understand about their profession. Most of the time it just won't be worth your time to try and articulate by typing. Like you, I don't need a full 70 all the time, as long as 8 or 10 roll up each day so's I can git R done.

 

[witness23]

witness, it'll amaze you what you'll have to splain to many folks that visit here, and actually just how little many understand about their profession. Most of the time it just won't be worth your time to try and articulate by typing. Like you, I don't need a full 70 all the time, as long as 8 or 10 roll up each day so's I can git R done.

col.......you get it my brother!! What cracks me up is the one's that think they know the most actually know the least (most, not all) and spew their rhetoric to the masses. Speaking of "know it all rhetoric" where has broompilot been? (do you see may swaying back and forth stirring that pot)? I've said it for a long time, "This site is just an extension of the truck stops", and you know how much BS you hear in the truck stops.

 

[witness23]

btw, bearcat44 in know way was that last post aimed at you.

 

[x06col]

There are some worse than him. Many seem to be fleet owners. There is a good chance, that in this environment, business sense, don't wannas, and won't do, done him in.
Dunno?

 

[rdtrpn]

Would you like to share with the rest of us the name of the carrier and you rate per mile.
if you do not want everyone to know then maybe you could send me a PM....after 5 years with the same carrier and the changes that where made this week its time to take the cats off my truck!!

My point exactly in previous posts, a lot of people are going to leave the cat. Panther sucks.