For a smart guy greg you aint too smart.
Your opinion and it's alright because you don't talk to me directly or know what I know.
Requiring dealers to have licenses is an "infringement", and it all gun control laws are unconstitutional. Now I suppose you don't care because you "agree" with gun control laws.
The infringe is where?
The potential owner of the firearm is not infringed on by federal licensing of gun dealers which means the public isn't infringed on but the guy/gal who is making this a business and working with the manufacturer has to have a license in order to keep things within a set group of realistic regulations. The gun manufacturer is not doing this to provide a means to fulfill the second amendment but rather for a commercial venture, which means the dealer is also in it for the buck.
Its one thing to say "we need laws regulating firearms" Its another thing to say those laws are constitutional. They clearly are not. Perhaps the Constitution should be ammended but we can't allow it to be ignored.
Sorry but the need to regulate firearms comes from several issues within society, one such issue is we treat felons, those who are not supposed to have guns and are most likely to commit a crime with a gun as an equal to a citizen so hence the only way we can be sure that at least one factor is solved is to allow some regulating of firearms to happen within a reasonable limit. That limit should not be on a city level but could be on a state level. At minimal a public database containing the names, identification of the person and a picture of felons of all kinds with a reporting mechanism that forces dealers to use it when a sale is made. If a person isn't in the database, then the sale can be made with no record of the query. The bad thing that many will point out is this is in infringement of our basic rights but thats a really stupid argument when it is pointed out that a felon losses his/her rights under due process which includes the right to own a firearm and to vote.
Words have meaning "infringed" was put there for a purpose. The country is being trashed because you people don't understand freedom. The government is out of control because you have No principles, all you care about is if you agree with something or not.
Infringe in regards of the second amendment is not to infringe on the rights of the individual who has not been convicted of a crime nor has any issues that society believes that puts the public in danger - mental health issues.
I'm sure you think the FDA should be arresting Amish for selling fresh milk to their neighbors too.
Actually quite the opposite. I think the FDA should regulate the basic food stuff, as in dangerous ingredients and not in a political way (for example Stevia). The same goes for state regulators, I should be able to buy anything I want from anyone I want unless it is so damaging to myself or others around me which m does not include raw milk. Maybe buying nitroglycerin without a permit is reasonable but making and selling cheese to supplement my income and having the state tell me no is not reasonable.
Firearms are a different issue because unlike other countries, we don't look at victims rights as a mitigating factor in sentencing or in punishment. On top of that, we have a lot of stupid people running around doing a lot of stupid things and the absolute worst excuse we can use for limiting the use of things or forcing them to do something a certain way is for their own protection - seat belts, car seats and firearms are good examples.
BTW - This is the first time I have read Koresh had an FFL. My dad had an FFL and I dealt with ATF all the time and they never did an early morning swat raid on our gunshop. If Koresh had an FFL the whole raid story is even more dubious than I thought it was to begin with.
Well let me put it to you this way, the ATF acted as they did because of the circumstances that led up to an on site visit. They were warned about what could happen and they took precautions as would any law enforcement officers would. Shooting atf agents who are coming through a window after they gave a warning vacates any excuses that people make that excessive force was used.
You are in order to have an FFL you do have to allow the
ATF access to your facility that is part of the un constitutional law.
Nope not unconstitutional, it would be if you didn't have a choice but no one in the government forces you to become a gun dealer.
But I don't understand how that allows the ATF to kill 86 otherwise innocent people 17 of whom were children because D Koresh had an FFL and was a little nuty.
The ATF didn't kill 86 people, Koresh and his followers did. What's worst, spending time in jail for violating laws you agree to work by or holding people hostage and killing them later on?
I fail to see the link. Perhaps if the ATF had just knocked on the door like they did at my dads store their wouldn't have been a shootout.
I understand they gave Koresh warning but you got to ask yourself this, wouldn't they see the ATF and FBI arrive?
Did Randy Weaver have an FFL too or did they kill his unarmed wife, son and dog for extra credit? BTW he was exhonarated and the gov had to pay for wrongful death. Though no criminal charges were file on any of the officers or Janet Reno for that matter.
This is a completely different situation where Weaver should have been allowed to go after Reno, I think this was a true tragedy of not just the administration but the country and those who set off these events should spend time in jail or worst.
I guess they didnt want to pay out for Waco so they killed all the witnesses including the children then bulldozed the property.
Pay to whom?
There is a difference involved and if you want to change things, it starts with getting people in office who are willing to change things.
Lol Nice gov your defending.
I'm not defending any government, I am pointing out what the issue is with all of this, and why. If we continue to think that these things are just to limit our behavior without reasoning behind it or looking at the bigger picture, we will continue to have stupid laws forced on us by stupid people.
