clcooper
Expert Expediter
i dont know if any of his shows really hold water..but what he tells me on the show WE really need to do more research to try to tell US if it isnt true!!!????
FEMA Concentration Detention Camps
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i dont know if any of his shows really hold water..but what he tells me on the show WE really need to do more research to try to tell US if it isnt true!!!????
Seriously? Is that how it works now? Someone makes a wild accusation, and the burden of proof is to prove the accusation is not true? Really?
EASYTRADER
Expert Expediter
David Koresh may have been a wierdo but he is a national hero I only wish I would have the guts to shoot back if the Gov exceeded their authority and stormed my "compound".
As someone who takes "The Constitution" seriously that sentance which goes
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
Means all "arms" control laws are infringements of the right to keep and bear therefore all arms control laws are un-constitutional. So a raid to enforce an invalid law is itself invalid the only sad part about waco is that koreshs people didn't kill more atf agents.
If I was the county sheriff in Waco I would have been there making arrests NOT of Koresh but of the federal officials. That whole thing never should have happened.
It is a sad state of affairs when a Government is allowed to murder children on television and nobody cares. I was going to make a carreer of the Navy but while watching that on CNN while sitting in the persian gulf, I changed my mind. A clearer example of an out of control Government could not be made.
Not only was the original raid Un-Constitutional but the use of a military Tank to inject tear gas was a violation of Posse Commitatus.
Governmnts WILL get out of control whenever the people let them.
Extremeism in the defense of liberty is no vice!
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As someone who takes "The Constitution" seriously that sentance which goes
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
Means all "arms" control laws are infringements of the right to keep and bear therefore all arms control laws are un-constitutional. So a raid to enforce an invalid law is itself invalid the only sad part about waco is that koreshs people didn't kill more atf agents.
If I was the county sheriff in Waco I would have been there making arrests NOT of Koresh but of the federal officials. That whole thing never should have happened.
It is a sad state of affairs when a Government is allowed to murder children on television and nobody cares. I was going to make a carreer of the Navy but while watching that on CNN while sitting in the persian gulf, I changed my mind. A clearer example of an out of control Government could not be made.
Not only was the original raid Un-Constitutional but the use of a military Tank to inject tear gas was a violation of Posse Commitatus.
Governmnts WILL get out of control whenever the people let them.
Extremeism in the defense of liberty is no vice!
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
That's all good and well but see the problem is they did have the authority because permission was given to them by Koresh and the others named in the license application for their gun dealer's license. They listed the place of business for their dealers license that address which means the ATF has permission.
The ATF can inspect the place where you conduct your business at regardless what people want to think about rights. It is not part of the second amendment - dealing in firearms and until the SC says so, or the congress changes the laws, it will remain part of the requirements of federal licensing of gun dealers.
It wasn't the case that they were just being picked on but there was an ongoing investigation by the feds and their visit was neither unexpected nor unwarranted.
clcooper
Expert Expediter
what i mean when i say David Koresh is the way those people followed and worshiped him . gun control and what happened with the atf. has nothing to do with the people that worshiped him .
as far as gun control laws we do need them . there is to many wierdos in this world .
the same thing can be said about anybody in government What is a Hero . is it the guy that says yes kill bin liden or is it the guy that pulled the trigger. and the others in that team to get that guy to bin liden
so if somebody tells you they changed the speed limit . you would not believe them and make them prove it . or if you hear that the house on the corner from your house is a meth lab you wont believe them and do nothing about it .
how do you know what is true and what isnt . in places you have never been to or seen .
Just like Load 1 how do you know that John doesnt pay his drivers to say that Load 1 is so great . why should we believe chef ,ovm etc. or anybody when they say they got a load picking up here going to there .
i do believe Load 1 is as great as they say it is . why is it so great because they are a name not a number.( because i was paid to say so or was it the little green men LOL)
as far as gun control laws we do need them . there is to many wierdos in this world .
It's a sad day in America when an idiot like Koresh is considerd a hero.
the same thing can be said about anybody in government What is a Hero . is it the guy that says yes kill bin liden or is it the guy that pulled the trigger. and the others in that team to get that guy to bin liden
so if somebody tells you they changed the speed limit . you would not believe them and make them prove it . or if you hear that the house on the corner from your house is a meth lab you wont believe them and do nothing about it .
how do you know what is true and what isnt . in places you have never been to or seen .
Just like Load 1 how do you know that John doesnt pay his drivers to say that Load 1 is so great . why should we believe chef ,ovm etc. or anybody when they say they got a load picking up here going to there .
i do believe Load 1 is as great as they say it is . why is it so great because they are a name not a number.( because i was paid to say so or was it the little green men LOL)
This thread is proof that those energy drinks are harmful.
A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.'
I'm right there with ya.
Both of those require proof from the one making the accusation (or statement in these cases), and not on the person it is being told to. If I tell you that I changed the speed limit, it's not up to you to prove I didn't, it's up to me to prove I did. If tell me that FEMA trailers are death camps, then it's not up to me to prove you wrong, it's up to you to prove your claim. But what you want to do is tell me they are death camps, and if I don't believe you then it's up to me to prove you wrong. Sorry, doesn't work that way.
Kind of my point. In the absence of facts, you don't know squat. You can speculate and fantasize all day long, but it still won't be true unless you can prove it.
clcooper
Expert Expediter
so if i tell you THEY changed the speed limit . who needs to prove that . and would you believe me .
and what says you are not the one that is doing the speculateing and fantasizeing all day long.
you are telling me that what i have posted is false . and how can you prove that it is false . so far all i have gotten was speculateing . oh the government will not and cant do some thing like that . what happened years ago wont ever be able to happen today .
just like a murder i guess when they are asked if they killed the person they admite to it right away because people dont lie .
so if anybody asked Hitler if he was killing the Jews in those camps . and Hitler said No you would believe that too . just like the FEMA camps . if you asked any body about it they would tell you the truth no matter what .
so when you catch somebody walking around your house at night . you ask them what they are doing they tell you they are just looking for their cat . you will say ok and go back to bed
so what you are saying is that the money Obama gave to the banks and auto companies . is false . . because where is the facts at . we were only told that he did . or you know for fact that the money went for what it was asked to go for . none of it went into their pockets . now show me the facts .
all i got to say is . so when you see,hear,read anything you never believe it unless they prove to you that it is true . so do you believe anything
Yea gun control will stop them from doing weird things with guns for sure.
You do. You're the one making the claim that they did.
If you can prove it, yes.
You must provide actual proof, though, and not conjecture, assumptions or "because I say so".
Well, since I'm not the one speculating and fantasizing about what is or is not going on, I would say a clear absense of speculating and fantasizing would say that.
No, what I'm telling you is that there is no proof that what you have posted it true. That what you have posted is pure fabrication and stark allegations unless you also provide proof for your claims.
Well, the burden of proof is on you, not me, so I don't have to. The absence of evidence that it is happening is not evidence that it is happening. You say it's happening, I say show me the proof. Otherwise, you're just slinging allegations around with nothing to back them up.
Sorry, you've got that exactly backwards. I haven't been speculating about anything at all.
I never said that, though. You said I said it, but I never did. I never said that what happened years ago won't be able to happen today, nor would I, because that's a load of crap. It's also a load of crap to state that BECAUSE it happened years ago that IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN NOW, because what happened years ago is not evidence of anything happening today. At best it is evidence that it COULD happen again, but it is not evidence that it IS HAPPENING again, or that it even WILL happen again.
Here's an example that I think most anyone should be able to understand. In 1969 men walked on the Moon. But because they walked on the moon in 1969 that does NOT mean they are up there walking around on the Moon today. It doesn't mean they are up there now, nor does it mean they are not up there now. All it means is that they walked up there in 1969.
It doesn't meant that it couldn't happening again, because it very well could. But it doesn't mean that it IS happening now.
And that's exactly the kind of thinking and reasoning you are trying to use to state that FEMA death camps are happening here, right now, today, because similar death camps happened in the past. It's absurd at best, and delusional Kool-Aid at worst.
I'll refrain from commenting on the rest, as your comments indicate a severe lack of logical reasoning and critical thinking skills, and my comments would be wasted. All I will say is, don't believe anything at face value, and don't be bamboozled and manipulated into believe something without first understanding the issues and then obtaining the facts.
clcooper
Expert Expediter
""You do. You're the one making the claim that they did.""
so is Bin Laden dead or not. i heard the claim but haven't seen the proof .
""You must provide actual proof, though, and not conjecture, assumptions or "because I say so """
""" No, what I'm telling you is that there is no proof that what you have posted it true. That what you have posted is pure fabrication and stark allegations unless you also provide proof for your claims.""
what i posted is not proof . now you tell me i need to show more proof . . don't you think it is time for you to show me proof it is not true .
so if i posted a picture of myself and told my life story in a post . i would still need to show you more proof .
but if somebody in a government office . you would believe what ever they said the first time . they wont need to show you any more proof
so if i posted a picture of the camps that i taken myself you still would not believe me but if the government just goes on TV and says that the camps are not true you will believe them .
ok lets get this straight . i do not really believe that the camps are real .but the way things are going on in this world . it is something i will be watching . this is what i post with the link
""Nobody can say this can never happen . Can you say Hitler . So why cant this happen . So keep drinking the Kool aid .""
and no where have i said the camps were true .
but when people post ""I see black helicopters following me down the road. Something on Squidoo and now we have a Fascist regime running Fema?
I read it on the Internet, so it must be true! """ i cant get pictures to post . like the ones that Turtle posted
it tells me that they believe The US government would never do or could do anything like this . and that the US government has never told any lies , water gate never happened . Bill Clinton never stuck a cigar up Monaic . i could tell more . but you would not believe me because you would just want more proof .
the US government didn't kill of the native Indians . and never lied to them about land . or broke the treaties.
then i get that cant happen today because the news will travel to fast . so with that said Erin Brockovich is just as real as Drath Vader
Germans were masters of mind control RIGHT and then you say they would be proud of Obama . so are you saying that Obama is doing a good job at mind control
what is common sense ?? there is more going on today . but people only foucs on one thing . they think that poof the Navy Seal was in front of Bin laden . . never do they think about why ,how ,what,when ,etc that got the Navy Seal in front of Bin laden .
“The only secret is
the history you don't know”
Harry S. Truman
so is Bin Laden dead or not. i heard the claim but haven't seen the proof .
""You must provide actual proof, though, and not conjecture, assumptions or "because I say so """
""" No, what I'm telling you is that there is no proof that what you have posted it true. That what you have posted is pure fabrication and stark allegations unless you also provide proof for your claims.""
what i posted is not proof . now you tell me i need to show more proof . . don't you think it is time for you to show me proof it is not true .
so if i posted a picture of myself and told my life story in a post . i would still need to show you more proof .
but if somebody in a government office . you would believe what ever they said the first time . they wont need to show you any more proof
so if i posted a picture of the camps that i taken myself you still would not believe me but if the government just goes on TV and says that the camps are not true you will believe them .
ok lets get this straight . i do not really believe that the camps are real .but the way things are going on in this world . it is something i will be watching . this is what i post with the link
""Nobody can say this can never happen . Can you say Hitler . So why cant this happen . So keep drinking the Kool aid .""
and no where have i said the camps were true .
but when people post ""I see black helicopters following me down the road. Something on Squidoo and now we have a Fascist regime running Fema?
I read it on the Internet, so it must be true! """ i cant get pictures to post . like the ones that Turtle posted
it tells me that they believe The US government would never do or could do anything like this . and that the US government has never told any lies , water gate never happened . Bill Clinton never stuck a cigar up Monaic . i could tell more . but you would not believe me because you would just want more proof .
the US government didn't kill of the native Indians . and never lied to them about land . or broke the treaties.
then i get that cant happen today because the news will travel to fast . so with that said Erin Brockovich is just as real as Drath Vader
Germans were masters of mind control RIGHT and then you say they would be proud of Obama . so are you saying that Obama is doing a good job at mind control
what is common sense ?? there is more going on today . but people only foucs on one thing . they think that poof the Navy Seal was in front of Bin laden . . never do they think about why ,how ,what,when ,etc that got the Navy Seal in front of Bin laden .
“The only secret is
the history you don't know”
Harry S. Truman
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clcooper
Expert Expediter
i guess i didnt. you tell me what i missed .
A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.'
Thats because they smoke it, right?
jaminjim
Veteran Expediter
Nope, this on that fine line...BUT I see lots of discussion, but not direct attacks. The participants are debating, even insulting the beliefs, the point of views.... not each other.
Very fine line... but Kudos to those who can walk it.
Dale
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