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Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Common Sense tells me..........and this is without studying EACH and EVERY Resolution listed in those Charters on that one page alone..........Is that the United Nations AS A WHOLE does not.....will not....and NEVER HAS supported TERRORISM as a Means of Resolving Disputes amongst varying Groups of People with differing.........often conflicting......Religious Ideologies and Beliefs.

I bring up an issue that has been an Ongoing Problem between the Israelis and Palestinians that covers the use of Women and Children as Suicide Bombers by the Palestinians......of which has caused the Death of.........basically the MURDERING of.......Thousands of Innocent Israeli Citizens over the years....
FYI, an article that summarizes exactly the situation that has existed with the PLO and other terror organizations dedicated to the destruction of Israel.
Back in the 1970s, law expert Yoram Dinstein argued that according to UN definitions, terrorism and incitement against Israelis constituted genocide. That’s why Israel, with the help of a few Western democracies, should set up a Nuremberg-type initiative for Palestinian terror leaders, who must be charged for inciting and committing genocide. In the name of the peremptory principle nullum crimen sine poena, ”No crime without a punishment,” we should prosecute Palestinian terrorists, whether as individuals or entities. They are hostes humani generis, “common enemies of humankind.”The initiative would be a powerful rebuke of the failed International Criminal Court in the Hague, which should have prosecuted these evil leaders and promoters of genocide. The Islamic regimes of the world succeeded in changing the Court’s statute to eliminate terrorism as an offense and, at the same time, to define the Jewish inhabitants of Judea and Samaria as “war criminals.”

If Israel has no right to defend itself from genocidal attacks and the Jews have no right to live in their historic land, then Israel has no right to exist...

The Arab clerics, who describe the Jews as sub-humans with expressions like “pig,” “cancer,” “filth,” “microbes” and “vermin,” should be put on trial for fomenting lethal anti-Jewishness reminiscent of the 1930s. An example of this religious incitement is the fatwa issued by the Muslim Brotherhood’s guru, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, permitting the killing of Jewish fetuses, on the logic that when Jews grow up they might join the Israeli army. Unfortunately, Europe is freeing these clerics, like Abu Qatada, who was recently released by the UK...

Moreover, human rights groups should be flooded with the untold Israeli statistics: the 17,000 people wounded in terror attacks; the 2,000 civilians killed; the 15,000 rockets fired on southern Israeli cities; the fact that some 40% of wounded Israelis will remain with permanent disabilities.

Time for a Nuremberg Trial for Hamas and the Pipers of Death | FrontPage Magazine


Keep in mind, it was in 2000 that Yasser Arafat was offered substantial concessions by Israel in a "land for peace" deal brokered by Bill Clinton that would have established a Palestinian state - and turned it down.
[SUP]Two books published in 2004 placed the blame for the failure of the summit on Arafat. They were The Missing Peace by longtime US Middle East envoy Dennis Ross and My Life by Clinton. Clinton wrote that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you made me one."[31] During a lecture in Australia, Ross suggested that the reason for the failure was Arafat's unwillingness to sign a final deal with Israel that would close the door on any of the Palestinians' maximum demands, particularly the right of return. Ross claimed that what Arafat really wanted was "a one-state solution. Not independent, adjacent Israeli and Palestinian states, but a single Arab state encompassing all of Historic Palestine".[32][/SUP][SUP]

2000 Camp David Summit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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hookertrash

Rookie Expediter
The other guy said it best, I personally would have blown her head off, if it meant protecting me and my guys, so ya I think it took a lot of discipline for him not to blow her head off.
 

hookertrash

Rookie Expediter
Are you kidding? I look around and see the Indians making bank on their reservations with casinos and smoke shops so really are you kidding?
 

hookertrash

Rookie Expediter
And they will keep trying to take their land back,lol, and they will keep geting killed in the process, have you ever looked one time at how many Palestinian people are very happy as Israel citizens?
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
And they will keep trying to take their land back,lol, and they will keep geting killed in the process, have you ever looked one time at how many Palestinian people are very happy as Israel citizens?
Hmmm ... I think I smell sock-puppet ... in any event:

Yes I have - have you ?

Are you even remotely aware of the level of institutionalized discrimination that exists towards non-Jews in Israel ?

Are you aware that the Israeli public - and most particularly the rightwingers - view any non-Jewish citizen (and even some Jewish ones) as a potential 5th column existential threat to country and, in the case of the rightwingers, feel that non-Jews ought to stripped of the citizenship and expelled to foreign countries ?

That's something that's reflective of the true character of "the only democracy in the Middle East" ...

Here's a very good example of the nature of this insanity, which is playing out currently, where the rightwing nutjobs are attempting to deny democratic participation and representation on the part of Palestinian/Arab citizens of Israel:

Netanyahu-Lieberman Compromise Could Mean End of Israeli Arab MPs
'Reform' Bill Would Cut Small Parties Out
by Jason Ditz, December 26, 2013

It isn’t quite as far as Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman wanted to go, but Israel’s new electoral reform law is still expected to mean the end of all Arab MPs in the Israeli Knesset.


The deal raises the vote threshold needed to get seats in the Knesset to 3.25% from 2%, meaning any faction with three seats or less would get no seats at all under the new system.


In the most recent election, this would oust Hadash and Balad, two parties with Arab MPs, as well as Kadima. The United Arab List had 3.65% this time, and so long as they could repeat this, they’d retain seats.


That appears to have been part of the argument for reform, with Lieberman pushing for a 4% threshold that would’ve covered UAL as well. This wasn’t sitting well with other smallish parties and they forced a compromise. Others argue that expelling the small parties is just about “stability.”


Israel has been trending this way for several elections, with the ruling parties trying to secure their own positions by cutting out smaller blocs entirely and dividing their seats.

Netanyahu-Lieberman Compromise Could Mean End of Israeli Arab MPs

Netanyahu, Liberman compromise could keep Arabs out of Knesset | JPost | Israel News

Arab parties plan to fight right-wing bid to squeeze them out of Knesset - National Israel News | Haaretz

Of course, for those goose-steppers and Christian Ziobots with fascist tendencies among us, this will seem like an entirely reasonable and proper thing to do I'm quite sure ...

Be sure to remember to give Bibi and Avigdor a rousing "Sieg Heil" next time ya'll salute 'em ...
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Under the above referenced fascist plan one of the current Arab Israeli (Palestinian) members of the Israeli Knesset who would be denied a seat is Dr. Hana_Sweid (also spelled Swaid) of the Hadash Party.

BTW, Dr. Sweid is a Christian ...
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
The other guy said it best, I personally would have blown her head off, if it meant protecting me and my guys, so ya I think it took a lot of discipline for him not to blow her head off.
Uh-huh ... :rolleyes:

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RLENT

Veteran Expediter
FYI, an article that summarizes exactly the situation that has existed with the PLO and other terror organizations dedicated to the destruction of Israel.
Terror, Schmarror ... the last thing Israel is going to do is present itself before any (legitimate) international body where it can have its conduct examined and be judged.

If Israel wants to roll the dice on international bodies determining "war crimes", "genocide" and "crimes against humanity", then so be it ...

The Palestinians can go to the International Criminal Court or International Court of Justice (the latter of which the Israelis are most definitely subject to, and whose rulings they are obligated to be bound by) with evidence and we can see how that turns out ... and this time it won't be just an "advisory opinion", but an actual ruling ...

It is coming ... only a matter of time:

PA threatens ICC action over settlement plans - Israel News, Ynetnews

Palestinians threaten international legal action over Israeli settlement construction | JPost | Israel News

The fact is, the Palestinians are freedom fighters seeking to throw of foreign domination which is illegally occupying their land ...

This is something that is ensconced in numerous determinations and resolutions of various (legitimate) international bodies.

The article you quote does pose one premise which is correct: Israel has no right to exist ... no nation inherently does ...

The only way that Israel could have acquired that right is if they had acted in good faith (a concept which is apparently foreign to Israelis) to become a nation which fairly represented and upheld the right to self-determination of the indigenous people of the land that constitutes Israel.

Israel has not done that - repeatedly and continuously - for 65 years now ...

Instead they did the exact opposite of that - repeatedly subjugating and oppressing the native population, dispossessing them and ethnically cleansing them from the land that was rightfully theirs ...

The article which I recently posted about the rightwing's attempt to eliminate Arab (Palestinian) Israeli representation in the Knesset shows clearly the extent to which these fascist thugs will go ... even to deny the rights of those who are actual citizens of Israel ...

Keep in mind, it was in 2000 that Yasser Arafat was offered substantial concessions by Israel in a "land for peace" deal brokered by Bill Clinton that would have established a Palestinian state - and turned it down.
As well Arafat should have - no nation or international body had or has the right to give away the land of a nation (Palestine) to some group of foreign interlopers with a sob story ...

As for Dennis Ross, one need only look at a little biographical info to understand why he is not be an "honest broker" ... and Clinton isn't even worth mentioning (wholly-owned by the Israel Lobby)

As a Zionist himself, Ross cannot possibly be considered a neutral third-party in any negotiations ... as Akiva Eldar - himself a devoted proponent of the two-state solution - clearly points out:

Akiva Eldar says that Dennis Ross, a Zionist, has all but destroyed the two-state solution and Palestinians should deal for one state

From Eldar, published in Haaretz:

Before Dennis Ross' comeback, our acquaintance managed to write a new book (together with David Makovsky ) called "Myths, Illusions, and Peace: Finding a New Direction for America in the Middle East."


It would be tough to find a bigger expert than Ross on the myths and illusions related to peace between Israel and the Palestinians. For years he has been nurturing the myth that if the United States would only meet his exact specifications, the Israeli right would offer the Arabs extensive concessions.


During the years he headed the American peace team, Israeli settlement construction ramped up. Now Ross, the former chairman of the Jewish People Policy Institute, is trying to convince the Palestinians to give up on bringing Palestinian independence for a vote in the United Nations in September and recognize the State of Israel as the state of the Jewish people - in other words, as his country, though he was born in San Francisco, more than that of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who was born in Safed.


If they give up on the UN vote, Ross argues, then Netanyahu will be so kind as to negotiate a final-status agreement with them. Has anyone heard anything recently about a construction freeze in the settlements?


Ross is trying to peddle the illusion that the most right-wing government Israel has ever seen will abandon the strategy of eradicating the Oslo approach in favor of fulfilling the hated agreement. In an effort to save his latest boss from choosing between recognizing a Palestinian state at the risk of clashing with the Jewish community and voting against recognition at the risk of damaging U.S. standing in the Arab world, Ross is trying to drag the Palestinians back into the "peace process" trap ...

If I were in Abbas' place, I would tell Dennis Ross that he should tell his president to forget about negotiations without recognition in writing from Netanyahu stating that the permanent borders will be based on the 1967 lines with agreed-upon changes and committing to a total freeze of settlement construction during negotiations and a set timetable for withdrawal from the territories.


You don't want Oslo? Fine, we don't need it. No more "Palestinian Authority"; no more Area A, B or C (a division that has in effect created a Land of the Settlers on 60 percent of the territory ); no more "peace process."
Full article:

The Oslo Accords are all but dead
 
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RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Considering How Palestinians use both Women & Children in their Suicide Bombing Attacks......I have NO ISSUE with this Israeli Guard shooting this Woman with a BEAN BAG Projectile (he did NOT shoot her with a "Lethal Weapon") to STOP her determined advancement towards Him and His Fellow Guards ...
Leaving aside your false claim of the bean bag projectile - since that's already been thoroughly refuted - the plain fact of the matter is that the shooting really accomplished no legitimate purpose ... Here's why:

If she would have actually been wearing a suicide belt or vest, she was in close enough proximity at the time of the shot to have taken out both policemen on the left side of the vehicle.

So the shooting really served no purpose ... other than to terrorize an unarmed civilian ...

BTW ... when I consider your statement of how you would react in you were in the place of "policemen" versus an unarmed, young woman who was willing to confront these thugs with only her body, can you guess which one I find courageous ... and which one I find cowardly ?
 

RLENT

Veteran Expediter
IMEU: UNGA Resolution 2649 on the right of populations to resist occupation

Just skimming through what is covered in that "Link" you provided ... it covers a LOT about United Nations Charters ... Resolutions ... Moral Compasses when dealing with situations such as this ... and so on.
Yeah, it sure does ... it's "stuff" you might want to become acquainted with ... if you ever want to be able to speak to this issue from ANYTHING OTHER THAN A POSITION OF TOTAL IGNORANCE ...

For starters though, the link to 2649 above, should be sufficiently simple enough for you to wrap your head around ...

Once you pass the bar on that, we'll conjure up a more advanced course of study for you.

(BTW - you might want learn the proper use of ellipses: it's only three dots ...)

Common Sense tells me ... and this is without studying EACH and EVERY Resolution listed in those Charters on that one page alone ... Is that the United Nations AS A WHOLE does not ... will not ... and NEVER HAS supported TERRORISM as a Means of Resolving Disputes amongst varying Groups of People with differing ... often conflicting ... Religious Ideologies and Beliefs.
Yeah well UNGA Res 2649 says what it says - despite whatever mental hallucinations and delusions (which you refer to above as "common sense") you care to engage in. Let's recap shall we:

1. Affirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples under colonial and alien domination recognized as being entitled to the right of self-determination to restore to themselves that right by any means at their disposal;
Does this seem fairly clear to you ?

Do you any doubts or misunderstanding as to the plain meaning of the words above ?

Is there some confusion on your part about what the words "any means at their disposal" actually mean ?

Do you think that these words mean something other than what the "plain meaning" of the words would indicate ?

If so, then what relevant document do you base that conclusion on ?

2. Recognizes the right of peoples under colonial and alien domination in the legitimate exercise of their right to self-determination to seek and receive all kinds of moral and material assistance, in accordance with the resolutions of the United Nations and the spirit of the Charter of the United Nations;
How about this one ... does it seem clear to you ?

How do you think it might apply in the context of another nation - say Iran for instance (or Syria or Lebanon) - supplying arms and munitions to the Palestinian people ? (who you mistakenly refer to as "terrorists")

Seems pretty clear to me ...

3. Calls upon all Governments that deny the right to self-determination of peoples under colonial and alien domination to recognize and observe that right in accordance with the relevant international instruments and the principles and spirit of the Charter;
In terms of the context of Palestine and Israel, who do you think would be the denier ... and who do you think would be the denied ?

In the context of Israel-Palestine, who is it that is being called on to recognize and observe the right of self-determination of a people being denied it ?

4. Considers that the acquisition and retention of territory in contravention of the right of the people of that territory to self-determination is inadmissible and a gross violation of the Charter;
In the context of Israel-Palestine, whose actions do you think are inadmissible and who do you think is in gross violation of their commitment to the UN Charter, as a UN member state ?

5. Condemns those Governments that deny the right to self-determination of peoples recognized as being entitled to it, especially of the peoples of southern Africa and Palestine;
Although unreferenced by a specific name, what government - in the context of Israel-Palestine do you think is being condemned above ?

I'll give ya hint: It ain't the Polynesian island nation of Tonga ...

I bring up an issue that has been an Ongoing Problem between the Israelis and Palestinians that covers the use of Women and Children as Suicide Bombers by the Palestinians ... of which has caused the Death of ... basically the MURDERING of ... Thousands of Innocent Israeli Citizens over the years ...

And in your Best Form ... your only response was ...OH Well - They Have A Right To Do It.
Do you believe in the right of private property ?

Do you believe the right to self-defense ?

Do you believe in the right of a people against genocide ? (even if it's only slo-motion genocide ?)

As to the matter of "innocence": any Israeli, who by their labors, taxes, and other efforts, is supporting the "nation" of Israel de facto in what it's doing to the Palestinians and so is not "innocent" ... at the very best they are complicit ... and at the worst they may have taken an active part in it, as a consequence of service in the IDF or some other militarized entity (like the Border Police)

For that matter, the above applies (in terms of complicity) to anyone - Israeli or not - who supports Israel in some manner ...

Personally, I abhor the violence - no matter who perpetrates it - Palestinian or Israeli ... but I am under no illusions as to who it is that perpetrates the majority of it ... and who suffers the majority of the casualties ...

All In All ... you just CONFESSED to Supporting TERRORISM and the Use of Women and Children as Suicide Bombers here on this Discussion Board.
UN Res 2649 says what it says ...

And by the way I didn't "confess" to supporting anything ... but I do recognize that I personally have no moral authority to dictate to a subjugated and suppressed people, under illegal occupation and domination by a foreign and alien power, the manner in which they go about their own self-defense against genocide ... and throwing off the chains of oppression and asserting their right to self-determination ...

Clearly Shows where YOUR Moral Compass leads to ...
Dude ... you have unequivocally stated that you would gun down an unarmed, young woman in cold blood ... and you want to lecture me about where my moral compass leads ?

That's really rich ...

It would be hilarious ... if the total lack of self-awareness that it demonstrates weren't so pitiable ...

In terms of supporting - and actually being willing to practice - "terrorism", I think we all know who falls into that category ... at least if the mighty braying of a keyboard warrior is to be believed ...

Like I said in another thread covering this a few days ago ... when one Spews Hatred towards a Class of People ... as you have clearly been doing with ALL YOUR Anti Israel PROPAGANDA posted ALL OVER this Board as of late ... it would clearly be a waste of anyone's time to even try to "Discuss" anything with you on a respectable basis.
Well, that sure didn't stop you from coming into this thread and starting to ignorantly flip your lips about things you know not what of ...

As to my "anti-Israel propaganda" ... you might do well to take notice that I post and link to quite a bit of stuff written by Israeli authors, that is published in the Israeli media ...

My views on the matter of Israel-Palestine are reflective of some Israelis, and even more importantly some anti-Zionist Jews ... check out the views of the Satmar_(Hasidic_dynasty) or TrueTorah Jews on Zionism and the "state" of Israel ... you'll probably be in for quite a surprise:


On the "propaganda" aspect, much or even almost all of the matters I discuss, are commonly and openly discussed within Israeli society (as evidenced by their coverage in Israeli media) ... it's only shocking to you, due to your own utter ignorance ... (don't worry though - you have plenty of company)

As to the hatred thing, I hate the policies and conduct of Israel - which is a racist apartheid state, brutally suppressing and dispossessing the native, indigenous inhabitants of Palestine - and I hate the fact that certain folks - knowingly and willingly in some instances - support that.

As to any particular individuals: Love (or pity) the sinner, hate the sin ...

Like I say ... I don't deal with Ignorance too well ... and to continue on with this WITH YOU might just lead YOU down a whole new path of Ignorance that I'm quite sure YOU don't want to get known for...
Well, I'll consider that and give it the appropriate merit it deserves ... particularly in light of the fact of your announcement below that you are bailing out ...

That Said............I'm Done.
Probably a very wise move on your part ... considering that what you're relying on for the basis of your argument is an emotional appeal and inflammatory words which have a negative connotation, neither of which are based any real knowledge of international law and the details of the actual history of the conflict ... but only your "common sense" (which while it very well might be common, it certainly isn't sensible) that is based off of your own mental hallucinations and delusion ...

BTW - we'll see just how long you stay "done" ...

Sad thing is ... You will have that small little Group here that will "Like" the Ignorance you are about to portray when dealing with what I had to end this with. But......To Each Their Own.
For a guy who just got done announcing that he hadn't studied the relevant materials that were provided to him (and was instead relying on his own ignorance) that's a real hoot ... but ok ... ;)

Finally, I'll bid you farewell with a few thoughts from General William Odom, the former head of the NSA - hopefully it will get you to re-evaluate your hysterical and pathetic squealing about "the terrorists" ...

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... perhaps even to the point that you are capable of engaging in a relatively dispassionate, intellectual discussion of the I/P conflict:

Because the United States itself has a long record of supporting terrorists and using terrorist tactics, the slogans of today’s war on terrorism merely makes the United States look hypocritical to the rest of the world.

By any measure the US has long used terrorism. In ‘78-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the US would be in violation.
 
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RLENT

Veteran Expediter
Here's the dirt on the serial plagerizer - Giulio Meotti - whose work the Turkey Choker chose to quote/cite earlier.

My only question is: Did Giulio really write it ... or did he rip it off from someone else ... and if so, who ?

Update: Marc Tracy reports today that YNet and Commentary have severed their relationships with Meotti as a result of his plagiarism. Il Mondi Di Annibale, the Italian foreign policy site, has also taken Meotti to task. What will Meotti’s employers at Il Foglio do?
Full article (with various side-by-side examples of Giulio's plagiarism, with cites of where the words were ripped off from) :

Giulio Meotti: Serial Plagiarist or Common Hasbarist? (Updated) | Max Blumenthal

Might be wise to take note of the fact that the racist rag, FrontPage Mag, employs/features this criminal hack - and consider very carefully what exactly that says about them.

(FWIW, FrontPage Mag was the publication that made certain false and fraudulent allegations about the 2012 electoral results for Wood County Ohio - that someone most inadvisably chose to post here - and which I debunked)
 
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RLENT

Veteran Expediter
This is just since 2000 ... and doesn't even include the women murdered by the IOF:

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
(BTW - you might want learn the proper use of ellipses: it's only three dots ...)

And four, at the end of a sentence, sort of. It's actually an ellipse with a period at the end.

The ellipsis has morphed from strictly representing missing words in a quotation ("Four score and seven years ago ... conceived in liberty.") to just about any need a writer deems necessary. Ellipses can be used to indicate a pause or falter in dialog, the passage of time, an unfinished list, or that a speaker has trailed off in the middle of a sentence or left something unsaid. But those who overuse it, especially those who just can't stop after the third one, are disjointing their thoughts, not joining them, and tend to have little to say in the first place. “It is doubtful that they have anything in mind, and the device seems a rather cheap one to convey the lack of thought,” is the way the author of the book Punctuate it Right addresses it.

When you see something that is devoid of proper punctuation and in its place you find a sting of deformed ellipses that look as if they were a period penned by Michael J. Fox, or an 11 year old girl playing online checkers in 1994, you have to wonder what the writer is thinking, because he certainly isn't conveying it to the reader. What exactly is this ellipsis-esque dotted mass of diarrhea thingy meant to portray? Are these writers taking long thoughtful pauses, is an epic struggle of syntax and word-choice happening in their brain? Are they actors, measuring out the beats of their lines? Are we supposed to picture someone thoughtfully pacing around dictating to us, stopping in revelation before saying their next thought? Are they pausing and waiting for the applause to end before they continue? No matter what the implication of a string of 15 periods is meant to be, when I see it, and you write it, there’s only one way to interpret it, and it's not very flattering to the writer. The worst offenders are those who construct questions that end in an ellipsis instead of a question mark. Are you kiddin' me.......

I read posts and get e-mails from allegedly smart and "educated" people where it seems like they immediately press the period key whenever they’re not typing a word, afraid of dead air on the radio, leaving a string of 27 dots on the line before the next word. I don’t need a visual cue to every single moment and pause you took while writing. Writing is separate from speaking, I don’t need to know when you inhaled, or farted, or made a sandwich. You’re not portraying any additional information by typing three dozen periods rather than one, or three, except that you’re kind of a tool. The overuse of these periods portray a smug aloofness, and a contempt for and lack of respect for the reader. Or, that you can't compose your thoughts and connect them in any meaningful way. Or, you're a tool. Or, you're out of Red Bull.

But these writers are just sitting out there, lurking, armed to the max with incorrect punctuation knowledge as their weapon of choice, at the ready, willing and able to whup the livin' daylights out of these little innocent, orbital symbols. It's hammer time......
 

skyraider

Veteran Expediter
US Navy
Creativity is great...................................................... I like dots, polka-dots, Dalmations:aka fire engine dogs and so on. one dot there. It's time for a tailgate party.
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
Yeah, it sure does ... it's "stuff" you might want to become acquainted with ... if you ever want to be able to speak to this issue from ANYTHING OTHER THAN A POSITION OF TOTAL IGNORANCE ...

For starters though, the link to 2649 above, should be sufficiently simple enough for you to wrap your head around ...

Once you pass the bar on that, we'll conjure up a more advanced course of study for you.

(BTW - you might want learn the proper use of ellipses: it's only three dots ...)


Yeah well UNGA Res 2649 says what it says - despite whatever mental hallucinations and delusions (which you refer to above as "common sense") you care to engage in. Let's recap shall we:


Does this seem fairly clear to you ?

Do you any doubts or misunderstanding as to the plain meaning of the words above ?

Is there some confusion on your part about what the words "any means at their disposal" actually mean ?

Do you think that these words mean something other than what the "plain meaning" of the words would indicate ?

If so, then what relevant document do you base that conclusion on ?


How about this one ... does it seem clear to you ?

How do you think it might apply in the context of another nation - say Iran for instance (or Syria or Lebanon) - supplying arms and munitions to the Palestinian people ? (who you mistakenly refer to as "terrorists")

Seems pretty clear to me ...


In terms of the context of Palestine and Israel, who do you think would be the denier ... and who do you think would be the denied ?

In the context of Israel-Palestine, who is it that is being called on to recognize and observe the right of self-determination of a people being denied it ?


In the context of Israel-Palestine, whose actions do you think are inadmissible and who do you think is in gross violation of their commitment to the UN Charter, as a UN member state ?


Although unreferenced by a specific name, what government - in the context of Israel-Palestine do you think is being condemned above ?

I'll give ya hint: It ain't the Polynesian island nation of Tonga ...


Do you believe in the right of private property ?

Do you believe the right to self-defense ?

Do you believe in the right of a people against genocide ? (even if it's only slo-motion genocide ?)

As to the matter of "innocence": any Israeli, who by their labors, taxes, and other efforts, is supporting the "nation" of Israel de facto in what it's doing to the Palestinians and so is not "innocent" ... at the very best they are complicit ... and at the worst they may have taken an active part in it, as a consequence of service in the IDF or some other militarized entity (like the Border Police)

For that matter, the above applies (in terms of complicity) to anyone - Israeli or not - who supports Israel in some manner ...

Personally, I abhor the violence - no matter who perpetrates it - Palestinian or Israeli ... but I am under no illusions as to who it is that perpetrates the majority of it ... and who suffers the majority of the casualties ...


UN Res 2649 says what it says ...

And by the way I didn't "confess" to supporting anything ... but I do recognize that I personally have no moral authority to dictate to a subjugated and suppressed people, under illegal occupation and domination by a foreign and alien power, the manner in which they go about their own self-defense against genocide ... and throwing off the chains of oppression and asserting their right to self-determination ...


Dude ... you have unequivocally stated that you would gun down an unarmed, young woman in cold blood ... and you want to lecture me about where my moral compass leads ?

That's really rich ...

It would be hilarious ... if the total lack of self-awareness that it demonstrates weren't so pitiable ...

In terms of supporting - and actually being willing to practice - "terrorism", I think we all know who falls into that category ... at least if the mighty braying of a keyboard warrior is to be believed ...


Well, that sure didn't stop you from coming into this thread and starting to ignorantly flip your lips about things you know not what of ...

As to my "anti-Israel propaganda" ... you might do well to take notice that I post and link to quite a bit of stuff written by Israeli authors, that is published in the Israeli media ...

My views on the matter of Israel-Palestine are reflective of some Israelis, and even more importantly some anti-Zionist Jews ... check out the views of the Satmar_(Hasidic_dynasty) or TrueTorah Jews on Zionism and the "state" of Israel ... you'll probably be in for quite a surprise:


On the "propaganda" aspect, much or even almost all of the matters I discuss, are commonly and openly discussed within Israeli society (as evidenced by their coverage in Israeli media) ... it's only shocking to you, due to your own utter ignorance ... (don't worry though - you have plenty of company)

As to the hatred thing, I hate the policies and conduct of Israel - which is a racist apartheid state, brutally suppressing and dispossessing the native, indigenous inhabitants of Palestine - and I hate the fact that certain folks - knowingly and willingly in some instances - support that.

As to any particular individuals: Love (or pity) the sinner, hate the sin ...


Well, I'll consider that and give it the appropriate merit it deserves ... particularly in light of the fact of your announcement below that you are bailing out ...


Probably a very wise move on your part ... considering that what you're relying on for the basis of your argument is an emotional appeal and inflammatory words which have a negative connotation, neither of which are based any real knowledge of international law and the details of the actual history of the conflict ... but only your "common sense" (which while it very well might be common, it certainly isn't sensible) that is based off of your own mental hallucinations and delusion ...

BTW - we'll see just how long you stay "done" ...


For a guy who just got done announcing that he hadn't studied the relevant materials that were provided to him (and was instead relying on his own ignorance) that's a real hoot ... but ok ... ;)

Finally, I'll bid you farewell with a few thoughts from General William Odom, the former head of the NSA - hopefully it will get you to re-evaluate your hysterical and pathetic squealing about "the terrorists" ...

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... perhaps even to the point that you are capable of engaging in a relatively dispassionate, intellectual discussion of the I/P conflict:

My Gawd............Have you thought about seeking Help for this Obsession?????

My Bet......The Palestinians have a Suicide Bombing Vest with your name written all over it in your quest towards the Genocide of Israel as a whole...........

Let us know when you board that Flight..........Some of us would be Glad to see you off on your Journey..............;)

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Just to add......Rubber Bullets......Bean Bag Round..........WHATEVER. Both are NON-LETHAL Uses of FORCE (Unlike Suicide Bombings) to Defend Ones Safety........So for one to go on a Diatribe.......a Rant.......covering the Difference between the 2............is........well..........Ignorant.
 
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OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
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My Gawd............Have you thought about seeking Help for this Obsession?????

My Bet......The Palestinians have a Suicide Bombing Vest with your name written all over it in your quest towards the Genocide of Israel as a whole...........

Let us know when you board that Flight..........Some of us would be Glad to see you off on your Journey..............;)

I think that is not his point....he looks to be tired of the "Oh the poor Jewish" routine...which the Jews have laid on the world since WW2....poor us....everyone is against us.....well the whining wears thin and the excuses grow thinner...the Jews can stand on their own 2 feet now and put on their big boy pants to play in the game....without counting on the sympathy vote....Sympathy in the dictionary falls between sh!t and syphilis (sp)....
 

Brisco

Expert Expediter
I think that is not his point....he looks to be tired of the "Oh the poor Jewish" routine...which the Jews have laid on the world since WW2....poor us....everyone is against us.....well the whining wears thin and the excuses grow thinner...the Jews can stand on their own 2 feet now and put on their big boy pants to play in the game....without counting on the sympathy vote....Sympathy in the dictionary falls between sh!t and syphilis (sp)....

And I fully understand that too................but.............RL is heading down an OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE DISORDER path with ALL this Anti Israel PROPAGANDA he's been posting ALL OVER this board as of late.

I mean Good Gawd..........I'm about to start a Collection Pool for ALL of us to Donate to so that we can help fulfill his destiny for the Destruction of Israel.

How about it people...........anybody want to help me start up a Collection Fund to help pay the Expenses to send RL on a Terrorist Crusade against Israel??? It seems like it would be a Good Cause that he wants to / WISHES To pursue. I donated a couple of hundred bucks to the Great George Zimmermans Defense Fund......because I fully believed HE HAD THE RIGHT to shoot that animal that was attacking him Dead...........and I will be GLAD to HELP RL fulfill his Destiny for something HE BELIEVES IN if he guaranteed us all that he WOULD go to Palestine to "Fight the Good Fight"..............so to speak.

Could this be RL's......and his Families Future???

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